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McLovin said:
He never has and never will. Every party needs their mudslinger, but mudslingers rarely make for good leaders.

Speaking for myself, I guess I would describe myself as centre right and I find Abbott's views on most things far too conservative for me.
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I can't actually say that I know his views about many things, other than asylum seekers and the troops in Afghanistan.
Plus if it were not political doom to say so publicly, he would be against abortion. Certainly against voluntary euthanasia.
What other policies are you thinking of, McLovin? I'm likewise pretty much centre right.
 
Julia said:
I can't actually say that I know his views about many things, other than asylum seekers and the troops in Afghanistan.
Plus if it were not political doom to say so publicly, he would be against abortion. Certainly against voluntary euthanasia.
What other policies are you thinking of, McLovin? I'm likewise pretty much centre right.
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I'm in the same boat as you Julia, I don't actually know much of what he does support, but I know lots of things he says "no" to.

I pretty much only know where he stands from the small sample of things he actually voices an opinion on, which is pretty retrograde when you are holding yourself out to be the alternative Prime Minister. The only one I can add off the top of my head is stem cell research which he opposes. He comes across as someone who would be very difficult to negotiate with. Which I generally see as a bad thing. The country doesn't need a "steady as she goes" PM at the moment we are going through some pretty serious structural changes and need someone with a vision that extends beyond the next news cycle. Neither side seems to offer that, IMO.
 
With regard to The Australian's paywall, I'm no longer getting past it searching the headline under Google News. I've had this happen intermittently in the past, but on the vast majority of occasions, it has worked.

Perhaps their site tracks web access information and only allows a fixed number of accesses by the above means over a given time period, or something of that nature. I'll try again later after reboot.
 
McLovin said:
...Speaking for myself, I guess I would describe myself as centre right and I find Abbott's views on most things far too conservative for me.
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I have seen elsewhere where rusted on lefties are claiming to be swinging voters. It seems to be another labor tactic. I find the posts pretty much show where people are positioned.

I could also say I'm a swinging voter...:)
 
sails said:
I have seen elsewhere where rusted on lefties are claiming to be swinging voters. It seems to be another labor tactic. I find the posts pretty much show where people are positioned.

I could also say I'm a swinging voter...:)
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Think what you want. I'm certainly not here trying to win your approval.:rolleyes:
 
sails said:
Interesting article from Katharine Murphy (from the Age) and her take on the Handbag Hit Squad:



She also comments, "I don't think Tony Abbott has a problem with women in substance. That's my view, formed in close proximity."

Read more: Handbags at 10 paces
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You must have missed the bit about the lying misleading attack on the chaser episode in Bali.

Question is why is Kelly O'Dwyer (who coined the term HBHS)on the back bench?
 
McLovin said:
I'm in the same boat as you Julia, I don't actually know much of what he does support, but I know lots of things he says "no" to.

I pretty much only know where he stands from the small sample of things he actually voices an opinion on, which is pretty retrograde when you are holding yourself out to be the alternative Prime Minister. The only one I can add off the top of my head is stem cell research which he opposes. He comes across as someone who would be very difficult to negotiate with. Which I generally see as a bad thing. The country doesn't need a "steady as she goes" PM at the moment we are going through some pretty serious structural changes and need someone with a vision that extends beyond the next news cycle. Neither side seems to offer that, IMO.
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The strategy in the run up closer to the election will be for Abbott to change gears into the positive spin phase along with policy discussion in vague terms.

There has been some debate if he can actually do this unlike Turnbul who can discuss in great detail and at length.
 
IFocus said:
You must have missed the bit about the lying misleading attack on the chaser episode in Bali.

Question is why is Kelly O'Dwyer (who coined the term HBHS)on the back bench?
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Is it worse than Craig Thompson HSU affairs or worse than Gillard's AWU dealings 17 years ago? If not, it's irrelevant...:D
 
drsmith said:
With regard to The Australian's paywall, I'm no longer getting past it searching the headline under Google News. I've had this happen intermittently in the past, but on the vast majority of occasions, it has worked.

Perhaps their site tracks web access information and only allows a fixed number of accesses by the above means over a given time period, or something of that nature. I'll try again later after reboot.
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Tried again from same PC (laptop, wireless connection to router), access to full article failed.

Then tried again from desktop PC (wired connection to same router), access to full article succeeded.
 
LIBERAL powerbroker Michael Kroger yesterday accused the woman who levelled allegations of physical aggression against Tony Abbott during his student years of being a serial manufacturer of false complaints against her political opponents.

Mr Kroger produced dramatically written Trotskyist student political newsletters from the late 1970s, which he said showed that then communist Barbara Ramjan had claimed that members of the rival far-left Spartacists on the University of Sydney campus had threatened to kill her.
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Read more: Ramjan a serial accuser: Kroger - more can also be found on the Bolt Blog: Is Ramjan a serial accuser?

Kroger speaking about this on the Bolt show on Sunday:

 
McLovin said:
I pretty much only know where he stands from the small sample of things he actually voices an opinion on, which is pretty retrograde when you are holding yourself out to be the alternative Prime Minister.
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Agree.

The only one I can add off the top of my head is stem cell research which he opposes.
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Yes, I'd forgotten about that. Makes no sense to me. Why on earth wouldn't you want to advance medical research which could ameliorate dreadful diseases?

He comes across as someone who would be very difficult to negotiate with. Which I generally see as a bad thing. The country doesn't need a "steady as she goes" PM at the moment we are going through some pretty serious structural changes and need someone with a vision that extends beyond the next news cycle. Neither side seems to offer that, IMO.
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Agree.

sails said:
I have seen elsewhere where rusted on lefties are claiming to be swinging voters. It seems to be another labor tactic. I find the posts pretty much show where people are positioned.
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Are you actually suggesting McLovin is a "lefty"? My observation of his posts are that he's pretty much in the centre, able to be objective, and absolutely not a captive of the Left.

I could also say I'm a swinging voter...:)
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You could, but no one would believe you, given your ardent and unvarying support of the Right.
 
Julia said:
Are you actually suggesting McLovin is a "lefty"? My observation of his posts are that he's pretty much in the centre, able to be objective, and absolutely not a captive of the Left.
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Thank you Julia. :)

I'd only add to your sentence, "or the right".
 
Julia said:
...Are you actually suggesting McLovin is a "lefty"? My observation of his posts are that he's pretty much in the centre, able to be objective, and absolutely not a captive of the Left....
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Where did I say I was suggesting McLovin is a lefty? I commented on an observation I had seen elsewhere and I hadn't read enough of McLovin's political posts to know. I did NOT say he was a lefty. I said that some who are rusted on lefties have done this but their posts show it's not so. If McLovin isn't a rusted on lefty, then I wasn't talking about him.

Try not to read things into posts that aren't there...
 
Tony Abbott probably needs to distance himself from Alan Jones, given Mr Jones' obnoxious comments about Julia Gillard's father dying of shame.
Unbelievably poor taste, even for the ghastly Mr Jones.

The Labor Party already cannot resist the opportunity to suggest Mr Abbott is oh so closely aligned with Mr Jones, and for sure, he pretty frequently can be heard on 2GB with Jones and Hadley where he agrees obligingly with all the partisan commentary so helpfully put into his mouth by his hosts.

The average Australian, including Liberal voters, will not, imo, be anything other than disgusted by Jones' remarks.
 
Jones will be poison now and hes given Gillard another free kick.

I cant beleive he was so stupid as to say those things.
 
Peter FitzSimons

Alan Jones has no shame


Not enough that he has already talked of putting the Prime Minister “into a chaff bag and hoisting her into the Tasman Sea,” or that he has said that the country needs to “bring back the guillotine,” to deal with her, and that across the country “women are wrecking the joint". Now, before an audience of Sydney University Young Liberals last weekend at the Watermark Restaurant at Balmoral he has referred to the grieving PM's late father, John Gillard – a man who was obviously very close to, and extremely proud, of his daughter – and said that he, “died a few weeks ago of shame".
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The unspeakably vicious nastiness of it, the sheer bully-boy misogyny of saying such a thing, simply takes the breath away
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This bit was interesting

Instead, the club cravenly tweeted the next day: “Brilliant speech by Alan Jones last night. It's no wonder he's the nation's most influential broadcaster!”
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/alan-jones-has-no-shame-20120930-26t5d.html
 
MrBurns said:
Jones will be poison now and hes given Gillard another free kick.

I cant beleive he was so stupid as to say those things.
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Alan Jones is the right wing equivalent of leftist David Marrr. They are two obnoxious characters who have a lot in common.
 
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