Tony Abbott for PM

[Julia]

Dude something like 61% came to Australia..pretty much all of them got refugee status eventually, 3 years in detention was just the price of admission really.



http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam.../pubs/BN/2011-2012/BoatArrivals#_Toc285178604

Typical piece of propaganda. How unexpected from So Cynical.
"Pretty much all of them got refugee status" is not true.

Asylum seekers were intercepted at sea while sailing from Indonesia and moved using Australian naval vessels. Detention centres were set up on Christmas Island, Manus Island in Papua New Guinea, and on the tiny island nation of Nauru. Some were also accepted for processing by New Zealand. Most of the asylum seekers came from Afghanistan (largely of the Hazara ethnic group), Iraq, Iran, China, and Vietnam. The last asylum seekers to be detained on Nauru before the end of the policy had come from Sri Lanka and Myanmar.[1]

Under the Pacific solution, 30 percent were sent home, 43 per cent of asylum seekers resettled from Nauru and Manus Island ended up in Australia. The remaining were settled in other countries.[2]

Wikipedia

 

[Knobby22]

Under the Pacific solution, 30 percent were sent home, 43 per cent of asylum seekers resettled from Nauru and Manus Island ended up in Australia. The remaining were settled in other countries.[2]

Interesting.
You have to give Abbott the gong for political tactics.
Labor have been forced into a complete humiliating backdown on this policy and I reckon the Green backlash will be stronger than they expect.

 

[MrBurns]

Leigh Sales is going for Tony Abbotts throat, she must be lining herself up for a safe Labor seat in the coming election.
She's rude, angry and very unpleasant ohh so ABC

 

[So_Cynical]

Typical piece of propaganda. How unexpected from So Cynical.
"Pretty much all of them got refugee status" is not true.

Wikipedia

LOL - while i do like wiki and quote it often...the quote i used and the numbers i used came from a parliamentary library research paper.

ill quote it again.

This background note provides a brief overview of the historical and political context surrounding boat arrivals in Australia since 1976. It includes background on the global context; government policy responses; trends in public opinion on the issues; and links to some of the key resources. This publication also includes boat arrival figures drawn from available sources, including media reports, ministerial press releases and figures supplied by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC). It is envisaged that the boat arrival figures in Appendix A will be updated on a regular basis.

(around 61 per cent) were resettled in Australia..its a fact.

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On the subject of facts.

Wasn't Tony weak on tonight's 7.30 report..i mean even i was cringing as he side stepped all of lees questions and just stayed on message..banging out those key words for the faithful.

 

[MrBurns]

Wasn't Tony weak on tonight's 7.30 report..i mean even i was cringing as he side stepped all of lees questions and just stayed on message..banging out those key words for the faithful.

She was so anti Abbott it was embarrassing, she should be reprimanded for the way she did that interview, overly agressive from the start, protecting our lying, backstabbing, corrupt PM no doubt.

 

[So_Cynical]

She was so anti Abbott it was embarrassing, she should be reprimanded for the way she did that interview, overly agressive from the start, protecting our lying, backstabbing, corrupt PM no doubt.

I Agree she was a little aggressive..but Tony was seemingly unprepared, or just didn't expect her to go him and want detail, details that Tony simply didn't have or couldn't say..i must say i hate it when ALL politicians just stay on message.

Tony's days are numbered...with the boats off the front page and the polls coming back, he just looks more and more like a noalition leader, no drive, no leadership, no answers, no vision, no ideas or idea.

 

[MrBurns]

I Agree she was a little aggressive..but Tony was seemingly unprepared, or just didn't expect her to go him and want detail, details that Tony simply didn't have or couldn't say..i must say i hate it when ALL politicians just stay on message.

Tony's days are numbered...with the boats off the front page and the polls coming back, he just looks more and more like a noalition leader, no drive, no leadership, no answers, no vision, no ideas or idea.

The Libs cant release policy until the election is called, lets see what happens then.

 

[Ves]

I've already figured out how they'll fill the $70 billion blackhole. The state liberal premiers certainly won't stop them either.

 

[explod]

Tony's days are numbered...with the boats off the front page and the polls coming back, he just looks more and more like a noalition leader, no drive, no leadership, no answers, no vision, no ideas or idea.

And so are Julia's, supporting now extra funds for private schools is a clear indication that for the ordinary people she has lost the plot. In fact letting the seppo's and their guns into Darwin finally convinced me she has nothing at all between the ears.

Bring on Turnbull, and the Greens with the balance in the next Parliament: and then we shall see.

 

[moXJO]

Tony's days are numbered...with the boats off the front page and the polls coming back, he just looks more and more like a noalition leader, no drive, no leadership, no answers, no vision, no ideas or idea.

And yet labor has hung at the bottom for years. Labor has little chance of getting the win.

 

[wayneL]

And so are Julia's, supporting now extra funds for private schools is a clear indication that for the ordinary people she has lost the plot. In fact letting the seppo's and their guns into Darwin finally convinced me she has nothing at all between the ears.

Bring on Turnbull, and the Greens with the balance in the next Parliament: and then we shall see...

Yes we shall see... complete and utter disaster for Australia.

 

[Julia]

Leigh Sales is going for Tony Abbotts throat, she must be lining herself up for a safe Labor seat in the coming election.
She's rude, angry and very unpleasant ohh so ABC

I've seen her be just as aggressive to Labor members.
Tony Abbott was embarrassing in his refusal to answer her questions, particularly when she quite reasonably asked him to state the actual questions he insisted Julia Gillard had to answer over the S & G situation.
He was apparently unable to do this. Neither was Paul Kelly (for whom I usually have the utmost respect) at the weekend when Ms Gillard challenged him to just state the allegation which she should answer.

Then, on "PM" ABC Radio this evening I'd listened to Marius Koppers' reason for postponing the South Australian expansion.
He made it absolutely clear the decision had nothing to do with either the carbon tax or the MRRT.
Yet, Tony Abbott is, in the wake of this statement from Mr Koppers, insisting that the postponement is at least in part due to both the carbon tax and the MRRT.
This imo simply makes him look false and without credibility.

Far be it from me to be remotely sympathetic to the Prime Minister. I am not.
But in this she has a reasonable point.

LOL - while i do like wiki and quote it often...the quote i used and the numbers i used came from a parliamentary library research paper.

ill quote it again.



(around 61 per cent) were resettled in Australia..its a fact.

I think the difference occurs if you add the phrase "of those who were proven to be refugees".
I absolutely stand by the figure I quoted. I sent it to ABC Radio in protest of them making a statement similar to yours and received an acknowledgement that they were in error.

 

[So_Cynical]

Just added the bit you inadvertently left out Mr Plod

Wayne is it ok to misquote people? i know its in fun and all but i really don't like being mis quoted, say what you want etc but misquoting should not be permitted, i reported a post last week and heard nothing back?

Is there a forum policy on deliberate mis quoting of members posts?

I vote for the Greens

See what i mean?

 

[MrBurns]

He was apparently unable to do this. Neither was Paul Kelly (for whom I usually have the utmost respect) at the weekend when Ms Gillard challenged him to just state the allegation which she should answer.
.

The questions are obvious -

Did she receive proceeds from union funds to assist renovating her house, in the past she couldnt rule that out,

Why didnt she create a file when assisting her boyfriend set up certain accounts through Slater and Gordon

They know the questions but cant state them yet for good reason no doubt.

Abbott was drawing a long bow when he brought the carbon tax into the drop in profit situation but it will hurt them in the future no doubt and Kloppers could have just been diplomatic, the tax has only been in a couple of months.

 

[MrBurns]

Is there a forum policy on deliberate mis quoting of members posts?

Yes there is.

I was pulled up for that recently.

 

[sptrawler]

I Agree she was a little aggressive..but Tony was seemingly unprepared, or just didn't expect her to go him and want detail, details that Tony simply didn't have or couldn't say..i must say i hate it when ALL politicians just stay on message.

Tony's days are numbered...with the boats off the front page and the polls coming back, he just looks more and more like a noalition leader, no drive, no leadership, no answers, no vision, no ideas or idea.

So was Tony nasty and disrespectfull towards the lady reporter, apparently labor are running with that at the moment. Get on the same page So_Cynical, one minute labor are right about him, now as usual it's a load of crap.
The only woman I've seen Abbott agressive with was Gillard and guess what she deserves it.

Boats off the front page, no morals, no principles, no clue, that's our government. LOL
Like I've said before, people have already made their vote, hysterical politics by Gillard won't change it. Just gives the faithfull the opportunity to strap on the head band, give a donation to the union and wonder what it was all about.LOL
I don't see consumer confidence improving, that tells you what the general public thinks of the government.

Maybe you could focus(no pun intended) on the amount of people getting layed off and the amount of foreign workers being brought in on her watch. Apparently another 2000 workers being brought in, from what i read.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne is it ok to misquote people? i know its in fun and all but i really don't like being mis quoted, say what you want etc but misquoting should not be permitted, i reported a post last week and heard nothing back?

Is there a forum policy on deliberate mis quoting of members posts?

See what i mean?

Point taken.

Edited to reflect.

 

[moXJO]

Another lie by the labor stooges regarding Abbott being sexist.

I doubt there is another senior politician who could match his record of senior staff appointments for women. In his 18-year political career, Abbott has appointed only women to the senior advisory positions of chief of staff, office manager and media adviser (up until recently). His office manager has been with him for the past 14 years and his former chief of staff was in the role for 11 years.
The reality is the insults are politically motivated. Nonetheless, it is a shame that a powerful woman whose role was to promote women is now publicly denouncing someone who has helped many women to achieve extraordinary careers.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/misogyny-is-not-on-tony-abbotts-agenda/story-e6frezz0-1226456088631

 

[Tannin]

It is going to cost one Bowen tomato grower and extra $12,000 for card board cartons.

Ridiculous claims like these only hurt Abbott's cause. Do the sums for yourself. For simplicity we will ignore the substantial tax cuts for most Australians. The carbon tax adds no more than 10% to the cost of electricity. (Less than that if the electricity is more sustainably generated than the worst case, brown coal. But we will be conservative and assume the worse case.) So, if the $12,000 was real, then the cost of electricity used to make those cardboard cartons is $120,000. Given that the average cost component of energy in papermaking is 16%, we could multiply that out and conclude that the total cost of the cartons if
$750,000 - which is starting to sound pretty unlikey, isn't it? But that 16% figure is for new paper. Cardboard cartons are recycled, and this is cheaper (in energy terms) than manufacture from scratch. Recycled cardboard only uses 75% as much energy. We multiply that out and now we see that the cost of the cartons for this poor farmer is a neat $1,000,000. That's just the cartons - we are not considering the costs of growing the tomatos or profit or anything else.

So, when we do the sums, we realise that his claimed extra cost is in fact a trivial 1.2% of the carton cost, and the carton cost is itself only a small fraction of the total fruit cost. Fruit cartons are advertised in commercial quantities at anywhere between US$0.20 to about US$1.50. Our tomato growwer is probably paying about AU$0.80 but let's be generous and say he pays $1.00. What's a case of tomatos worth? Let's say $10 - a very conservative guess, given that they sell for more like $5 a kilo at retail. But we will keep it conservative and and that brings our calculation out to $11,000,000 worth of product (one million dollars worth of cardboard containing ten million dollars worth of tomatos - probably much more than that in reality but we will staty conservative on all our figures). So the "massive" $12,000 carbon tax on the cartons turns out to mean an increase from $11,000,000 to 11,012,000 or 0.1%. Zero point one percent of the total cost.

Pfft!

 

[drsmith]

It hasn't been a good 24 hours for TA.

LEIGH SALES: I'm going on the facts that Marius Kloppers said today when he was directly asked if the decision on Olympic Dam was affected by Australia's tax situation and I'm going on the facts that are outlined in their results statement that they've issued. Have you actually read BHP's statements?

TONY ABBOTT: No, but I've also got again the statement of Jacques Nasser, who says, "While we're still evaluating the impact of the carbon tax, but it just makes it more difficult."

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3573785.htm

REPORTER: Why did you say on ABC last night that you said you hadn't ?

TONY ABBOTT: I was responding to something Leigh said about Marius Kloppers.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3573785.htm