Tony Abbott for PM

[IFocus]

The ABC's Insiders has become so biased that in their view, John Howard was to blame for Paul Keating's broken promise on his L.A.W. tax cuts.

Talking about bias............. jezzzes thats not what George Megalogenis said at all.

You claim is a shocker.

In fact Howard was received praise for a broken promise.................

 

[sails]

I agree to a point but think push factors had a bigger impact.

Of course you would think that, IF. To think differently would put you at odds with your beloved alp...lol

If push factors were really so strong, I don't think the Pacific Solution would have made much difference. But it did:





http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...un/comments/these_are_not_people_fleeing_war/

 

[drsmith]

Talking about bias............. jezzzes thats not what George Megalogenis said at all.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3541258.htm

It was actually John Howard who dishonored the LAW tax cuts.

 

[Ves]

What? The Pacific Solution under John Howard was immensely successful. What are you on about here?

Are we talking about the same places they rioted at, set on fire, and where held for as much as three years before either being sent back to whence they came or in some cases were finally called "legitimate"? Or do you mean immensely successful in some other way? I guess he did get a few boat loads to jump in the water in protest, children and all.

Given the chaos which exists in Afghanistan and Iraq from whence many of these people are coming, you're dreaming if you expect the quasi governments there to do anything about stopping people leaving the country.
Why should they? Ditto for Indonesia. It is not in their interests to stop people leaving their shores. They couldn't care less about people smugglers or asylum seekers, and any mouthing to the contrary is for effect only.

I never said the governments over there would try to stop them. I did however say, there is no solution until they do.

As far as I'm concerned both sides of the political spectrum are ****-scared of the Indonesians. That certainly doesn't help.

 

[Ves]

Of course you would think that, IF. To think differently would put you at odds with your beloved alp...lol

If push factors were really so strong, I don't think the Pacific Solution would have made much difference. But it did:


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http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...un/comments/these_are_not_people_fleeing_war/

Interesting graph. I would be curious to see it over-lapped with a time-line of the major events that happened in the countries where these people apparently come from.

 

[Ves]

http://www.unhcr.org/4d8c5b109.html

Link to a study on Asylum Levels and Trends by the UN Refugee Agency.

Is it a coincidence that the success of the Pacific Solution overlapped a period where world wide refugee requests (from Afgans) basically echoed the graph posted on the news.com.au site? See page 12.

 

[drsmith]

I think even the Labor Government has long since abandoned the notion that it's all due to push factors.

 

[sails]

Interesting graph. I would be curious to see it over-lapped with a time-line of the major events that happened in the countries where these people apparently come from.

Below is a link to the stats - at least up until 2008 these stats were derived from the DIAC - after that it seems to rely more on press releases which seems strange. Not sure why they wouldn't get more reliable figures unless they are trying to hide something.

I don't think any variations of asylum seekers would come anywhere close to the dramatic drop from 5516 arrivals in 2001 to 1 in 2002. The Pacific Solution was implemented in late 2001 - interestingly with bipartisan support from labor. Why they then decided to politicise it in 2007 is beyond me.

I have copied the figures from the link below into a spreadsheet and the years in blue were the years of the Pacific solution:





http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam.../pubs/BN/2011-2012/BoatArrivals#_Toc285178607

 

[IFocus]

1st of many I think, look at Abbotts many frauds

"Abbott's art of illusion"

This week's Essential Report shows that Tony Abbott has convinced the electorate that we are under the pump and that the carbon price is to blame

Abbott has succeeded with a few here I think

The art of illusion aims to win over an audience by establishing a trust that allows them to suspend their disbelief.

For more than 150 years, illusionists have sawn assistants in half, chosen the right cards and pulled rabbits from hats.

And now Tony Abbott has emerged to convince us that the price on carbon is driving up the prices of electricity and other household goods, when objective evidence tells us it is only a very small part of the picture of rising living costs.

The the Art of Illusion can only be mastered by practise, repeating the same sequence day after day. Tony Abbott has shown the necessary discipline – the question for Labor now is whether the illusion can be exposed.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4212042.html?WT.svl=theDrum

 

[white_goodman]

1st of many I think, look at Abbotts many frauds

"Abbott's art of illusion"




Abbott has succeeded with a few here I think











http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4212042.html?WT.svl=theDrum

haha, the comments on that site make me thank god I dont work in the unproductive part of the economy (what do you do for a living IF), id have to strangle some of them by the watercooler...

in others news the LNP is at $1.23 to win next election, Gillard isnt even favourite to be the leader of her own party..

 

[moXJO]

1st of many I think, look at Abbotts many frauds

"Abbott's art of illusion"




Abbott has succeeded with a few here I think









http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4212042.html?WT.svl=theDrum

Under Labors greatest lie that the carbon tax hasn't done anything to prices. What people forget is that we need to see the additional damage done in the next financial year. And the bet is labor has to try and pull an election before june 30 2013. They need to brown nose pretty hard till then.

 

[sptrawler]

Obviously, the labor party are listening to the pommie adviser again, jeez you would think they would learn.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-powerful-women-plibersek-20120821-24jra.html

The whole labor party has a tough time dealing with powerfull women.LOL

The lets focus on Abbott, didn't work before and won't work this time. Stupid ploy by the goon show, wait for the next poll.

 

[Julia]

Under Labors greatest lie that the carbon tax hasn't done anything to prices. What people forget is that we need to see the additional damage done in the next financial year.

Yes, exactly. To assume that the carbon price is not a significant impost on individuals, we need to give it time for businesses to assess how it impacts them, and then for them to pass this on to customers.
It's probably going to be impossible to measure. i.e. prices at the supermarket will go up. There will be no clear way of knowing how much will be attributable to the carbon price.

The public have become almost inured to rising cost of living, so will be unlikely to question how much of any additional price rise is caused by the carbon tax.

So the government will find it pretty easy to continue assuring the electorate that they have been more than adequately compensated for the very slight impact of the tax.

 

[drsmith]

Give it time dear lady, give it time.

 

[noco]

Give it time dear lady, give it time.

+ 1 Doc. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg. There will be lots of added costs and some business due to being on set prices will not be able to pass it on. It is going to cost one Bowen tomato grower and extra $12,000 for card board cartons. A cost he says he cannot pass on due to the market price offered.

We will be hit with extra cost of living and it won't be just electricity.

 

[Julia]

+ 1 Doc. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg. There will be lots of added costs and some business due to being on set prices will not be able to pass it on. It is going to cost one Bowen tomato grower and extra $12,000 for card board cartons. A cost he says he cannot pass on due to the market price offered.

We will be hit with extra cost of living and it won't be just electricity.

My point was that it will be impossible for the consumer to tell how much of any price rises is due to the carbon tax.
Is the tomato grower going to put a sticker on each of his tomatoes to tell us that they are now $1 more per kg because of his added costs for cardboard cartons? Hardly.

 

[So_Cynical]

Are we talking about the same places they rioted at, set on fire, and where held for as much as three years before either being sent back to whence they came or in some cases were finally called "legitimate"?

Dude something like 61% came to Australia..pretty much all of them got refugee status eventually, 3 years in detention was just the price of admission really.

Between 2001 and February 2008 a total of 1637 people had been detained in the Nauru and Manus facilities. Of these, 1153 (70 per cent) were ultimately resettled in Australia or other countries. Of those who were resettled 705 (around 61 per cent) were resettled in Australia.[69]

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam.../pubs/BN/2011-2012/BoatArrivals#_Toc285178604

 

[sptrawler]

Give it time dear lady, give it time.

The opposition would be stupid to do anything other than what they are doing at present. The problem is labor will morph into anything required to maintain office, so untill an election date is confirmed the coalition is better served saying nothing.
When the election is called the labor legacy can be rolled out.

 

[MrBurns]

On the Today show Lisa Wilkinson and Georgie Gardner were asked what they thought of Abbotts attitude to women and Georgie said she had met him numerous times and off camera he is a very likeable genuine man but it doesnt translate out to the public for some reason.

I laways thought he was genuine and decent , yes he has to tell a few white porkies to keep up with others in politics but overall decent and good, perhaps thats why he was looking at the priesthood at some stage so I hope he hangs in there I think he might be a good PM.

 

[Calliope]

It is only Labor women who fear him.