Australians are mentally depressed

[dutchie]

Australians are depressed and anxious because of this Labor Government.

Australia will not move forward until their anxiety and depression are relieved by a new Government.

People cannot get enthused about the future because they see what a terrible state Australia is in and more importantly that they are powerless to do anything about it.

The consequences of this mental depression is - unemployment will increase, the stock market will go down (or at best sideways), the economy (not assisted by the useless carbon tax) will deteriorate, Labor will become even more unbelievable and incredulous, our borders will be even more exposed and endangered, more and more people will rely solely on government support, Government debt will go through the roof (irrespective of its relation to other countries), there will be more violence and suicides and finally there will be an awfully big mess made by the current government which will take years and years for the following governments to clean up.

I have spoken to many people about their future, both young and old, and they are not confident at all. The theme that keeps coming through is their feeling of wanting this current government to go but feeling helpless to make this happen.

So my plea is to Julia and Labor - for the sake of Australia please, please, please, please, please resign and let Australia start rebuilding our once great country.

 

[young-gun]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

Australians are depressed and anxious because of this Labor Government.

Australia will not move forward until their anxiety and depression are relieved by a new Government.

People cannot get enthused about the future because they see what a terrible state Australia is in and more importantly that they are powerless to do anything about it.

The consequences of this mental depression is - unemployment will increase, the stock market will go down (or at best sideways), the economy (not assisted by the useless carbon tax) will deteriorate, Labor will become even more unbelievable and incredulous, our borders will be even more exposed and endangered, more and more people will rely solely on government support, Government debt will go through the roof (irrespective of its relation to other countries), there will be more violence and suicides and finally there will be an awfully big mess made by the current government which will take years and years for the following governments to clean up.

I have spoken to many people about their future, both young and old, and they are not confident at all. The theme that keeps coming through is their feeling of wanting this current government to go but feeling helpless to make this happen.

So my plea is to Julia and Labor - for the sake of Australia please, please, please, please, please resign and let Australia start rebuilding our once great country.

You're placing far to much weight on a governments ability to guide/direct/support economies. It simply isn't the case. The difference between the two parties is a few policies and a different ring master. One will not drive us into the ground substantially more than the other, as none of them really have a clue.

 

[sails]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

You're placing far to much weight on a governments ability to guide/direct/support economies. It simply isn't the case. The difference between the two parties is a few policies and a different ring master. One will not drive us into the ground substantially more than the other, as none of them really have a clue.

Good grief - that's a very generalised statement and one that I don't think the majority of Australian voters would support.

How do you then explain the $20 bill (approx) money in the bank left by Costello which is now a $150-$200 billion debt (to the best of my knowledge)? And with a debt ceiling of around $350 billion? Some very big differences there.

And how do you explain the invasion of boat people and a government which seems to have no idea on how to handle the problem of sorting out genuine refugees from free loaders? The coalition had all this under control before labor took over in 2007.

And how do you explain the carbon tax? Howard had the decency to take his backflip to the people. Gillard did not. Big differences there.

One similarity I can see is the Howard brought in work choices against the will of the people just as Gillard has brought in her carbon tax. There is a good chance that Gillard will get the same treatment voters gave Howard.

 

[young-gun]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

How do you then explain the $20 bill (approx) money in the bank left by Costello which is now a $150-$200 billion debt (to the best of my knowledge)? And with a debt ceiling of around $350 billion? Some very big differences there.

Different point in the economic cycle. And I haven't really been around long enough, or interested for long enough to know what certain parties/treasurers have achieved. The country needs to be run by people who know how to operate business, and handle money. If you honestly believe that we would be in a far better situation if a different party had been in for the past term, I think you are way off the mark. Not to mention if they get in it wouldn't it be Hockey of all people as treasurer?

And how do you explain the invasion of boat people and a government which seems to have no idea on how to handle the problem of sorting out genuine refugees from free loaders? The coalition had all this under control before labor took over in 2007.

Different policies, as stated.

And how do you explain the carbon tax? Howard had the decency to take his backflip to the people. Gillard did not. Big differences there.

I assume your talking about the intoduction of GST? I was quite young and can't even really remember how it all happened, but at the end of the day a tax is a tax.

One similarity I can see is the Howard brought in work choices against the will of the people just as Gillard has brought in her carbon tax. There is a good chance that Gillard will get the same treatment voters gave Howard.

So both parties are just as capable of achieving things that appear greatly unfavorable to the public and did/may get their party removed?

My original post stands.

 

[joea]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

So my plea is to Julia and Labor - for the sake of Australia please, please, please, please, please resign and let Australia start rebuilding our once great country.

Gillard will not resign. She will get a tap on the shoulder.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...us-reinstate-rudd-rapidly-20120720-22fni.html

joea

 

[DB008]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

How do you then explain the $20 bill (approx) money in the bank left by Costello which is now a $150-$200 billion debt (to the best of my knowledge)? And with a debt ceiling of around $350 billion? Some very big differences there.

Something very, very similar was raised on a reddit forum regarding the carbon tax.

Copy and paste from reddit

User spz456 types this into a forum regarding the carbon tax;

Who cares about the Carbon Tax?? l'm more worried about the $236 BILLION DOLLAR debt the current Government has racked up

Reply as follows...

That's not much for A COUNTRY you know. Apple alone is worth twice that.
Edit: GDP 1.4 Trillion, Tax base ~20% of GDP.
Most people, probably including yourself, have a debt ratio many times higher. And you don't print your own money.

User spz456 replies with the following;

In the midst of a unprecedented mining boom this country has ever seen and inheriting a $50 Billion surplus, i think that the point is lost on most members here. They have zero financial knowledge and money is leaking like a water through a colander...But hey, what would l know...

Cops this...
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Fun fact - the government has to issue bonds regardless of whether or not they are running a deficit. Howard-Costello era I believe this was in the order of $50 billion - and it will need to rise to about $100 Billion in coming years. Basically the financial markets need the ability to trade in Government bonds. Also, the current 10 year bond yield is 2.94% so while, obviously, it would be better if governments did not have interest bills, that level of borrowing is hardly worrying for a country with a trillion dollar economy.

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But hey, what would l know...
Not enough to know the difference between Net debt and Gross debt.

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... unprecedented mining boom...
On the coat tails of a 150billion hit thanks to the GFC. It's remarkable that you think the economy operates in a vacuum outside of mining industry.

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If you knew anything about world economics, this wouldn't worry you in the slightest.

 

[moXJO]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

Something very, very similar was raised on a reddit forum regarding the carbon tax.

Copy and paste from reddit

User spz456 types this into a forum regarding the carbon tax;


Reply as follows...


User spz456 replies with the following;


Cops this...
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Exactly what Greece, Italy, Spain and US thought no doubt.

 

[sails]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

....My original post stands.

Hmmm... from a young gun still very wet behind the ears and reasonably brainwashed by our education system.

Some of us actually think for ourselves...

 

[joea]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

Australians are depressed and anxious because of this Labor Government.
So my plea is to Julia and Labor - for the sake of Australia please, please, please, please, please resign and let Australia start rebuilding our once great country.

dutchie
Millions of are Australians are having your thoughts.
The by-election in Melbourne maybe the answer.

If the Greens win, prepare for the following scenario to take place.

Visualize a frying pan on a gas stove loaded with worms that represent Gillard and the Gillard supporting MP's.
The heat is very low and because down south is cold, all the worms are comfortable and cosy.
The Greens win the by - election.
The gas burner is turned to full heat.
Use your imagination now!!!!!:bananasmi:dance:

Hopefully this may play out. If not.
joea

 

[explod]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

The heading is wrong on this thread, should be:

"The World is mentally depressed"

 

[Smurf1976]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

If your heart is a bit iffy at the age of 100 then all things considered you haven't done too badly. It's a very different story however if you're having issues at the age of 25.

If the car is hard to start and has a few rattles after 350,000 km then you'd expect that. But if it was doing that after 10,000 km then you'd be straight back to the dealer demanding it be fixed.

Now, Australia has just experienced a massive commodity boom in terms of both price and volume. We have also had good rains on the farms and an incredibly long period of general economic growth. To have increasing debts amidst this backdrop is akin to the new car that won't start or the 25 year old with heart problems.

It's not a good sign to be having troubles, with anything, at a point where underlying conditions are the best they have been for decades and will most likely deteriorate going forward. We ought to have cash in the bank right now, not a growing pile of debt.

What happens if coal and iron ore prices fall in a heap and there's a drought? That's a credible scenario and we would seem to be pretty much stuffed if it happens.

 

[joea]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

The heading is wrong on this thread, should be:

"The World is mentally depressed"

+1 We must pay this comment.:iagree:

joea

 

[Logique]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

Gillard will not resign. She will get a tap on the shoulder.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...us-reinstate-rudd-rapidly-20120720-22fni.html
joea

There's a professor of politics telling it like it is. I agree with Manne when he says that Rudd made a tactical error in contesting the leadership at the last outing. But no matter, his odds firm by the day.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...us-reinstate-rudd-rapidly-20120720-22fni.html
At this point Rudd made a tactical error. He could have denied that he was challenging Gillard and forced her to sack him as foreign minister, thus entrenching his popularity with the people as a two-time martyr. Instead, he chose to contest the leadership.

 

[joea]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

State Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews said voting Labor would strengthen the ALP's chances of defeating the coalition at the 2014 state election.

"It's a clear opportunity for Melbourne voters to send the strongest, the most definitive message to Ted Baillieu that on TAFE and in so many other areas, he's gone too far," Mr Andrews said.

Ms Pike held Melbourne by a margin of about six per cent.

Vote counting will begin soon.

I am wondering how many voters in the Melbourne by - election were exposed to this statement.
joea

 

[drsmith]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

Gillard will not resign. She will get a tap on the shoulder.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...us-reinstate-rudd-rapidly-20120720-22fni.html

joea

She'll need more than a tap.

That's why the sound of sharpening knives is getting louder and louder from the house of Labor.

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

She'll need more than a tap.

That's why the sound of sharpening knives is getting louder and louder from the house of Labor.

I agree with you doc, there is no way she will go quietly and everyone is scared to death of her.
Can you imagine Albanese, Swan or Smith saying "Julia you have to go" , they would pass out with fear.

 

[Happy]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

We should not have that much debt growing so fast during boom times as mentioned above.

Next Government will have hard times correcting all that financial mismanagement.

 

[Julia]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

You're placing far to much weight on a governments ability to guide/direct/support economies. It simply isn't the case. The difference between the two parties is a few policies and a different ring master. One will not drive us into the ground substantially more than the other, as none of them really have a clue.

And you, with your lack of experience, are vastly underestimating the effect of business and electorate confidence on the economic health of the country.

Different point in the economic cycle. And I haven't really been around long enough, or interested for long enough to know what certain parties/treasurers have achieved.

OK, you can't help that. But, with respect, perhaps consider educating yourself or at least accepting the views of others who HAVE been around through many electoral and economic cycles, before pronouncing on a situation about which you have minimal understanding.

The country needs to be run by people who know how to operate business, and handle money.

Entirely agree about this. One of the biggest problems with the Labor government is they are mostly people who have come up through union or organisational ranks and have never had the responsibility of running any sort of business.

If you honestly believe that we would be in a far better situation if a different party had been in for the past term, I think you are way off the mark.

Given your admission that you have up to the point of the present government had no interest in or understanding of previous governments, you are hardly in a position to make such an assurance.
It's 99% for sure that if the Libs had remained in power we would still have had a surplus instead of a deficit.
Further, our border controls would not be shot to all hell.

I assume your talking about the intoduction of GST? I was quite young and can't even really remember how it all happened, but at the end of the day a tax is a tax.

No it is not. The fundamental difference is that John Howard had as part of his election platform the introduction of the GST. It was clearly spelled out during the entire election campaign. He won the election, giving him the genuine authority to introduce the tax.

That is an entirely different matter from Gillard absolutely assuring the electorate right up to election eve that "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead", with Swannie repeating it after her like a mantra, and then when she got into power, introducing the tax.

It is this utter deception that has the electorate so disgusted.
If you don't get this, then we're all wasting our time trying to explain it to you.

If your heart is a bit iffy at the age of 100 then all things considered you haven't done too badly. It's a very different story however if you're having issues at the age of 25.

If the car is hard to start and has a few rattles after 350,000 km then you'd expect that. But if it was doing that after 10,000 km then you'd be straight back to the dealer demanding it be fixed.

Now, Australia has just experienced a massive commodity boom in terms of both price and volume. We have also had good rains on the farms and an incredibly long period of general economic growth. To have increasing debts amidst this backdrop is akin to the new car that won't start or the 25 year old with heart problems.

It's not a good sign to be having troubles, with anything, at a point where underlying conditions are the best they have been for decades and will most likely deteriorate going forward. We ought to have cash in the bank right now, not a growing pile of debt.

What happens if coal and iron ore prices fall in a heap and there's a drought? That's a credible scenario and we would seem to be pretty much stuffed if it happens.

Exactly. As usual.

 

[young-gun]

Re: Australians are mentally depressed.

OK, you can't help that. But, with respect, perhaps consider educating yourself or at least accepting the views of others who HAVE been around through many electoral and economic cycles, before pronouncing on a situation about which you have minimal understanding.

I don't have the slightest interest in further educating myself on such a useless topic. I prefer not to complain and whinge about things that I cannot change. Accept them and if they are going to affect me, do whatever it takes to ensure the impact is minimal if at all. They are in power because the people put them there, deal with it.

It's 99% for sure that if the Libs had remained in power we would still have had a surplus instead of a deficit.

Are you serious?? This may be the most ridiculous assumption I have ever heard from you.

Further, our border controls would not be shot to all hell.

Not arguing that.

No it is not. The fundamental difference is that John Howard had as part of his election platform the introduction of the GST. It was clearly spelled out during the entire election campaign. He won the election, giving him the genuine authority to introduce the tax.

That is an entirely different matter from Gillard absolutely assuring the electorate right up to election eve that "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead", with Swannie repeating it after her like a mantra, and then when she got into power, introducing the tax.

It is this utter deception that has the electorate so disgusted.
If you don't get this, then we're all wasting our time trying to explain it to you.

I simply do not care. It doesn't matter how it's implemented. I couldn't care less if howard railroaded everyone and brought int he gst when he said he wouldn't, and gillard followed what are deemed by the public the appropriate channels(I'm aware this is the opposite of what has occurred). It simply DOES NOT matter how it happened. As we now have two taxes, regardless of how they are introduced. And as stated, a tax is a tax.

If it is such a terrible thing, then everyone will vote libs in the next election and if Abbott thinks it's such a bad thing I'm sure he will abolish it. Yeah right.

I don't understand how you can't see that. Would everyone be of a different tone if Gillard had done to your liking and said she was going to do it? Where would that put us....oh exactly where we are now, but with your approval. Seems irrelevant to me.

It can't be said the libs would have won because labor were going to bring in the carbon tax. Ok they may have. But who's to say that the libs wouldn't turn around 6 months later and bring one in anyway? You simply don't know, so it's pointless to concern yourself with how it came about.

Anyway I guess you are all wasting your time on me.

 

[cogs]

I have been reading this post on the side lines and happen to agree wth you young-gun, but can see what dutchie means, but Australians (on the whole) have it pretty good, and yet still complain when they have a house, friends and food in the fridge, say they are broke when they still hav $50k in the bank, etc. I walk past homeless people while also walking past new multi story developments next to them every day on my way to work, quite an imbalance.

dutchie started the thread with the topic 'Australians are mentally depressed' which appears to only now be inaccurately titled, it has turned into a liberal labor tiff. Maybe it should have been How 'Labor is Making us Mentally Depressed', just a suggestion

If you look at the big picture which is sometimes not within some individuals scope of mind, generalising that all Australians are 'mentally depressed' simply cannot physically be possible. It's much akin to the american phrase when they talk about a particular topic and they say 'the whole world', when their scope of mind has not broken the US borders.

To say one of our 2 choices of political leaders is going to bring about happiness when they are so similar, is purely the lesser of 2 evils, if you can't understand this then you haven't been around for long enough. Gillard only got in by default and in my IMO should never have been allowed anywhere near politics. Abott is just a pessimist with little policy.

World financial events are going to have a long term 'mentally depressing' effect on everyone if you can see the big picture. A countries government is only going to cushion or partially disguise what is going on, and if you can't see past a countries borders you will blame those within. What is the driving force behind negative and depressive comments is a debt based financial system and its now long term global effcts. Here is a good example of our western needs to chase money which eventually leads to unhappiness: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/i-want-the-earth-plus-5/

If you follow and trade the currency market you can see it all unfolding as you also monitor world financial events and the 'mentally depressing' effect it is having on all who rely on a debt based financial system. IMO it wouldn't matter who called the shots in government at this present time, our world evolves around money and until its present form is changed there will be tension and a general view that 'all are depressed'.

Just my bit.