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StumpyPhantom said:
And so far as breaking your pockets is concerned, that's absolute rubbish too. Let's just make our starting point something other than 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' shall we? No-one who is well off begrudges helping out those less fortunate. It's when you start enacting the socialist dream of controlling/taxing all the means of production to within an inch of its life that you start to eradicate our common future.

And judging by the latest reaction to the budget. Those low and middle income beneficiaries of the budget are very much in 'take the money and run' mode, so that the carbon tax will be very much back on their radar cum 1 July.
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StumpyPhantom said:
That's what the Labor/Green supporters just don't get. This isn't about breaking hearts.

The one resolved emotional/subjective issue of the last 5 years was the Apology to the Stolen Generation. In the last 15 years, it was the Republic Movement.

The "Action on Climate Change", "Clean Energy Future" is not a 'break your heart' issue. It's one in the economic/political realm.

And if you think Abbott's going to break your hearts, are you conveniently ignoring Gillard's COLD BLOODED decision to send asylum-seekers to Malaysia (and don't repeat this crap about it saving lives)?

And so far as breaking your pockets is concerned, that's absolute rubbish too. Let's just make our starting point something other than 'robbing Peter to pay Paul' shall we? No-one who is well off begrudges helping out those less fortunate. It's when you start enacting the socialist dream of controlling/taxing all the means of production to within an inch of its life that you start to eradicate our common future.

And judging by the latest reaction to the budget. Those low and middle income beneficiaries of the budget are very much in 'take the money and run' mode, so that the carbon tax will be very much back on their radar cum 1 July.
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Howard and it seems Abbott are far more about central federal control than Labor! Hockey is the odd one out here.

So you believe Abbott's promise's then?

And of course Hockey's magic calculator?
 
IFocus said:
Howard and it seems Abbott are far more about central federal control than Labor! Hockey is the odd one out here.

So you believe Abbott's promise's then?

And of course Hockey's magic calculator?
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It seems you AND Gillard just don't get it.

I don't care what the Libs are like, I just want this lying manipulating sleezy backstabber out of office and she can take her useless front bench with her and the scumbags she protects to keep her in office.
 
StumpyPhantom said:
That's what the Labor/Green supporters just don't get. This isn't about breaking hearts.

The one resolved emotional/subjective issue of the last 5 years was the Apology to the Stolen Generation. In the last 15 years, it was the Republic Movement.

The "Action on Climate Change", "Clean Energy Future" is not a 'break your heart' issue. It's one in the economic/political realm.
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Who doesn't "get it" now?

The Carbon tax was 30 years in the making...for the Green left it was and is a "break your heart" issue.
 
So_Cynical said:
Who doesn't "get it" now?

The Carbon tax was 30 years in the making...for the Green left it was and is a "break your heart" issue.
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It is not an issue, it is a Religion.

And Australians do not tolerate sectarian bigots who spend and spend and call them deniers.

The battlers will consign the ALP to oblivion and the Balmain basketweavers, having destroyed a great party, will switch to the Greens.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
It is not an issue, it is a Religion.

And Australians do not tolerate sectarian bigots who spend and spend and call them deniers.

The battlers will consign the ALP to oblivion and the Balmain basketweavers, having destroyed a great party, will switch to the Greens.

gg
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Besides the religion comment your probably spot on....Labor probably tried to be to many things, appeal to a voter base that was just to broad, so ended up having only half ass results.

Perhaps the broader electorate is now ready for the bland predictability of the Coalition..they know what they are going to get with the Coalition, No vision, No political risk taking, No nothing really other than hand outs at election time.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
It is not an issue, it is a Religion.

And Australians do not tolerate sectarian bigots who spend and spend and call them deniers.

The battlers will consign the ALP to oblivion and the Balmain basketweavers, having destroyed a great party, will switch to the Greens.

gg
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GG - you're spot on about the Left/Greens aprroaching this as a "religion" issue, an article of faith.

The real flaw with this, of course, is in 'religion', your reward is managed so that you pay your dues and be the do-gooder, and you get your just desserts when you go to heaven.

The problem with approaching 'climate change' in the same way as religion is that you don't get your reward (a lower emissions planet) just because you pay the carbon tax. Everybody else on the planet has to do the same.

Ask yourself this - how many people would stick with their religion if they were told that they would only get to heaven if there were no more murders on the planet? It's enough to make me swop to the religion that offers 72 virgins or something.
 
IFocus said:
...And of course Hockey's magic calculator?
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Better than Swan's fingers and toes...:D:D:D



So_Cynical said:
...No vision, No political risk taking, No nothing really other than hand outs at election time.
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SC - there is more...

Border security will be back...

Carbon tax will be repealled...

And in a few years of hard grind, the libs are far more likely to have our finaces in better shape again. I just wish labor governments would not go on these massive and wasteful spendathons with taxpayers funds and then complain at the lack of infrastructure while the libs are trying to contain their inherited and massive debt levels.

Most importantly, they offer the end of this dictatorial style of govenment who rushes around doing and legislating stuff that the majority don't want done...doh.

Yeah, the libs have more to offer than you see with your head in the sand.
 
sails said:
Better than Swan's fingers and toes...:D:D:D





SC - there is more...

Border security will be back...

Carbon tax will be repealled...

And in a few years of hard grind, the libs are far more likely to have our finaces in better shape again. I just wish labor governments would not go on these massive and wasteful spendathons with taxpayers funds and then complain at the lack of infrastructure while the libs are trying to contain their inherited and massive debt levels.

Most importantly, they offer the end of this dictatorial style of govenment who rushes around doing and legislating stuff that the majority don't want done...doh.

Yeah, the libs have more to offer than you see with your head in the sand.
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You forgot the kids will be leaning more languages :)

No one knows what Abbott will do because he has promised to much thats at cross purposes particularity with funding and taxes.

When Hawke won the drovers dog election in the 80's you had the highest educated front bench in the history of Australian politics at that time because Labor recognized the opportunity and put in the people who preformed.

The results were outstanding particularly after the turmoil of Frasier and Howard.

In comparative terms we have a great big boof head who is promising any thing a minority wants with a shadow treasurer trying to find $50 bil in a shrinking revenue environment.

Where is the talent?

Its sitting on the Coalition back bench not the front bench.
 
IFocus - your constant denigrating of Abbott is getting tiring. He's not in government.

Why don't you look at the lack of labor's talent before you point the finger elsewhere. By denigrating Abbott and the Libs, you are clearly trying to steer votes back into labor. And yet you seem to totally ignore the severity and mind boggling debacles facing labor. Unbelievable...:eek:

Not that it matters - the majority of voters are not listening to these pathetic attempts to divert from the real issues and try to put blame, any blame, on to Abbott.

I confess I don't read all your propaganda styled posts - just respond to the glaring silliness...:D
 
sails said:
IFocus - your constant denigrating of Abbott is getting tiring. He's not in government.
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The thread is about Abbott not the government

He desires scrutiny as he is a shoe in for Australia's next PM

No body here seems to really want to praise the virtues of Abbott other than to say he is better than the other lot because he will stop the boats.

He is a populous politician history is littered with their corpses

There are any amount of Labor bashing threads on the forum which some have gotten to the point of ridiculous but plenty of room for you to make the sky is falling claims.

But feel free to make the case for Abbott I will continue to point out that he is not the Messiah.
 
IFocus said:
In comparative terms we have a great big boof head
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You might care to consider that the 'great big boof head' is a Rhodes Scholar, something our Prime Minister has never achieved.

Where is the talent?

Its sitting on the Coalition back bench not the front bench.
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Agree that there is considerable talent on the back bench, but it's talent without experience. Consider how Malcolm Turnbull crashed and burned, not because he lacked talent but because he lacked political nous.

IFocus said:
The thread is about Abbott not the government

He desires scrutiny as he is a shoe in for Australia's next PM
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You probably mean that he 'deserves scrutiny' and yes, of course.

I've made the point many times that being of a liberal philosophy does not ipso facto imply 100% satisfaction with people running for office for that party.

No body here seems to really want to praise the virtues of Abbott other than to say he is better than the other lot because he will stop the boats.

But feel free to make the case for Abbott I will continue to point out that he is not the Messiah.
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As above, there are few on this forum who believe he's any sort of Messiah. It's absolutely a measure of the woeful inadequacy and amoral character of the government that so many can't wait to vote for the opposition, flaws notwithstanding.
 
IFocus said:
...But feel free to make the case for Abbott I will continue to point out that he is not the Messiah.
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IF, you must see us as stupid...lol

Abbott is NOT seen as the Messiah. He has clay feet like the rest of us...:rolleyes:

The one advantage he has at this point in time is that he is the means of getting rid of this brand of ALP who are taking our country into horrendous debt, who have deliberately broken the working system that protected our borders and brought in a carbon tax AGAINST the will of the majority, etc, etc, etc (and etcs about 50 more times).

Alp also refuse to stand aside an MP who some feel would be better stood aside until cleared by a court and all for another five minutes in power for the alp.

If Abbott can deliver us from this rabble, then so be it. He will then have to prove his ability to govern or he may find himself replaced by his party. In reality, that's what labor should have already done with Gillard, but they seem like stymied rabbits in the headlights...:rolleyes:
 
sails said:
IF, you must see us as stupid...lol
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Its a political thread only a fool sees another opinion as stupid.... fanatical maybe.

Abbott is NOT seen as the Messiah. He has clay feet like the rest of us...:rolleyes:
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Speak for yourself.


The one advantage he has at this point in time is that he is the means of getting rid of this brand of ALP who are taking our country into horrendous debt, who have deliberately broken the working system that protected our borders and brought in a carbon tax AGAINST the will of the majority, etc, etc, etc (and etcs about 50 more times).
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No excuse for Abbott

Alp also refuse to stand aside an MP who some feel would be better stood aside until cleared by a court and all for another five minutes in power for the alp.
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Maybe but thats politics ALP will bear the burden.

If Abbott can deliver us from this rabble, then so be it. He will then have to prove his ability to govern or he may find himself replaced by his party.
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Nope he has side line his opposition you will be struck with Abbott for at least two terms.


In reality, that's what labor should have already done with Gillard, but they seem like stymied rabbits in the headlights...:rolleyes:
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This group of Labor politicians will have a lot to answer for allowing Abbott in so easily.
 
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