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I like Hockey, he's smart and straight to the point, something Labor people dont understand, if it's not coated in spin they're completely lost.
 
Calliope said:
Yes, I already gathered that, when you attacked me for criticising an Abbott hater.



Surely you would think that was "a good thing" too?
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I think you're missing something Cal. In the current mix, I'm generally in favour of an Abbott victory at the next election.

I think Turnbull would probably make a fine treasurer, but not to be in a position to set the ideological direction of the Liberals.

You can hold this ludicrous grudge if you like, but it is more likely to highlight your faults, rather than your valid contributions. ;)
 
wayneL said:
I think you're missing something Cal. In the current mix, I'm generally in favour of an Abbott victory at the next election.

I think Turnbull would probably make a fine treasurer, but not to be in a position to set the ideological direction of the Liberals.

You can hold this ludicrous grudge if you like, but it is more likely to highlight your faults, rather than your valid contributions. ;)
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Sorry, I was sure you said that providing the Abbott haters with more ammunition would be "a good thing."

As for what expertise Turnbull would bring. I thought the editorial extract made that clear.

Now of course you are not :confused: but are agreeing with what I posted. You inconsistency has me :confused:.

Apparently if I can't cope with your inconsistencies I have a "ludicrous grudge". I think this sort of nonsense highlights your weaknesses.
 
dutchie said:
Well we know where Tony Abbott stands..

http://www.news.com.au/national/ton...elected-to-power/story-e6frfkw9-1226334281970
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From that item:
Mr Abbott ramped up his intentions to scrap the entire scheme if elected, and assured voters they would not miss out on pension increases and tax cuts to be funded by the scheme's revenue.
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He probably needs to explain how he's going to fund the pension increases and tax cuts.

Doesn't six months seem a bit short a time to scrap the carbon tax if he has go put the legislation up first to have it rejected and then call a double dissolution election?
Someone will know more about this than I do.
 
Calliope said:
Sorry, I was sure you said that providing the Abbott haters with more ammunition would be "a good thing."

As for what expertise Turnbull would bring. I thought the editorial extract made that clear.

Now of course you are not :confused: but are agreeing with what I posted. You inconsistency has me :confused:.

Apparently if I can't cope with your inconsistencies I have a "ludicrous grudge". I think this sort of nonsense highlights your weaknesses.
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I'm happy to admit to a range of human foibles Cal, as I do claim to be human after all. But what makes this forum valuable is reasonable point and counterpoint, without the unreasonable politicking we see from the politicians. There is plenty of ammunition without going that route.

You may have noticed I recently picked someone up from the left on this very point. It was taken graciously and I ask you do so also.

That's all. :cool:
 
Malcolm Turnbull doesn't bat for the team, he bats for himself.

In saying that, I doubt it would matter what team he was on.
 
wayneL said:
I'm happy to admit to a range of human foibles Cal, as I do claim to be human after all. But what makes this forum valuable is reasonable point and counterpoint, without the unreasonable politicking we see from the politicians. There is plenty of ammunition without going that route.

You may have noticed I recently picked someone up from the left on this very point. It was taken graciously and I ask you do so also.

That's all. :cool:
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I totally agree, while pleading innocent to all charges and aspersions. From now on I will graciously ignore your inconsistencies and the left's "slings and arrows.":cool:
 
MrBurns said:
I like Hockey, he's smart and straight to the point, something Labor people dont understand, if it's not coated in spin they're completely lost.
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I actually agree with Hockey's attack on "the culture of entitlement". I also think that FWA should be reconstructed to make it an independent body. However as Sir Humphrey would say "a courageous decision (aspiring) Prime Minister."

Abbott is not in the business of making courageous decisions. FWA is safe - entitlement is safe.
 
Julia said:
From that item:


He probably needs to explain how he's going to fund the pension increases and tax cuts.

Doesn't six months seem a bit short a time to scrap the carbon tax if he has go put the legislation up first to have it rejected and then call a double dissolution election?
Someone will know more about this than I do.
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For a start he could scrap the $10billion or what is left of it that the Greens squeezed out of Gillard for their hare brain green schemes.

I am sure there would be other similar savings to be found.
 
IFocus said:
"Abbott plans to stop boats with direct diplomacy"


I take it Abbott has never met an Indonesian they will just invoke Javanese nationalism and show him how real populism politics works and tell him to take a swim.




Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...t-diplomacy-20120427-1xq8b.html#ixzz1tIZbBKA8
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IFocus, why do you keep bagging the system that so clearly protected our borders?

Shame on you.

Do you care about this country or do you have financial interests or incentives that keep you trying to keep a government in power that the majority of people do NOT want?
 
Ferret said:
How is he going to bring it back under control, Sails?

Somehow I don't think talking nicely to the Indonesians will fix it. And he was so hell bent on stopping the Malaysia deal that he effectively made it impossible for any future government to use offshore processing.
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Have you never heard of the "Pacific Solution" that brought the boats under control before, Ferret? Or are you "young and naive"?

Maybe google the "Pacific Solution"...you might learn something useful!

Oh, and Abbott did offer bi-partisan support for said Pacific Solution and even Bowen agreed. But Gillard rolled him. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-16/bowen-refuses-to-comment-on-nauru-leaks/3573734

It seems pretty clear that Gillard only has herself to blame.
 
Ferret said:
How is he going to bring it back under control, Sails?

Somehow I don't think talking nicely to the Indonesians will fix it. And he was so hell bent on stopping the Malaysia deal that he effectively made it impossible for any future government to use offshore processing.
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Why is Abbott continually being blamed for stopping the Malaysia deal.

Labor only needs one vote and that is of Adam Brandt (the Greens Party).You never hear Labor bring the Greens into play on this one.
 
Ferret said:
How is he going to bring it back under control, Sails?

Somehow I don't think talking nicely to the Indonesians will fix it.
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I doubt it too. Why should they care how many boats come to Australia?
If they'd been interested in preventing this, they'd have shown some indication by now.

And he was so hell bent on stopping the Malaysia deal that he effectively made it impossible for any future government to use offshore processing.
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I recall there was much argument about this on this forum at the time. Some of us believed Mr Abbott should - for the sake of protecting Australia's borders - have given bipartisan support for the Malaysian deal.

I was one, essentially because - given conditions in Malaysia - it would have been a great deterrent and probably only a couple of boatloads being sent there would have got the message through.

But Mr Abbott was dead set on the political strategy of making Labor look more and more incompetent (which of course they are) and has been apparently quite happy to see thousands more boat people arrive here as a result, this seemingly pleasing him more than a genuine attempt at a solution.

Just another piece of proof of how all these politicians act in self interest and political point scoring at the expense of what is best for the country.
 
We shouldn't even be sending our cattle to Malaysia why on earth would we send human beings.

Howards solution worked this has nothing to do with political expedience on the side of the Libs but certainly from Gillard who only supports Malaysia so as not to appear to support a Lib policy.........that worked.
 
sails said:
Have you never heard of the "Pacific Solution" that brought the boats under control before, Ferret? Or are you "young and naive"?

Maybe google the "Pacific Solution"...you might learn something useful!
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Oh dear, Sails. You don't get it, do you?

The Malaysia deal was stopped by a high court decision that also stops a return to the Pacific solution. Abbott then refused to support legislation that would have got around this court decision.

So try again. How is Abbott going to get this back under control?
 
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