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explod said:
Last two post have nothing to do with Abbot. F.s get on topic

I think his days as Lib leader are numbered as the big one, Oaks, has pointed the bone.
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Yep the BIG one Oaks swings with the the latest poll, that's how he keeps his job.
There is so much ammunition against this government all the coalition has to do is keep its powder dry.
The Qantas fiasco is yet to play out and then Laurie will be swinging his extraodinary attributes the other way. LOL
 
Julia said:
Explod, if you're going to quote Oaks as having pointed the bone, couldn't you at least provide a link to such a claim?
If the venerable Mr Oaks has indeed made such a prophesy I'm interested to know whom he (and you) are suggesting should replace Tony Abbott.
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Thought it would be fairly common knowledge Julia.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion...-are-on-the-nose/story-fn56baaq-1226199487555

The main point of my post was the large number of posts here off topic.

In my view Government and politicions are becoming more and more irrelevant to where business and the world is heading by the day.

So these type threads are becoming a bit of a yawn really.
 
IFocus said:
Actually the reports I have seen said Abbotts speech was better than Gillards the issue was he failed to keep domestic partisan politics out of an official occasion that just happen to be hosting the most powerful leader in the world.

In other words there were bigger issues at stake than Abbotts ambitious bid to be PM

Shows a complete lack of depth as a leader to me.

Cross the line of good manners and common sense you reap the bad head lines simple.

BTW Ian Macfarlane gave an excellent account of being across the issues on the Insiders today far and away better than the rest of the Coalition front bench.
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Well there is a little picture and a big picture.

When I am PM, this is how I will be thinking and acting.
Go back to Abbott's speech and read between the lines.
Think(Abbott did not have the exposure to Obama that Gillard had.)
joea
 
sptrawler said:
As usual you are spot on Ifocus there were bigger issues at stake.
Like Latham said once a congo line of AR$e kissers, yep Julia and Bob were at the front.LOL LOL LOL
Don't you just love how the Laborphiles like to forget their own SHEEt slinging.LOL
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Actually most Labor PM's have embraced the US in some form or other starting with Curtin who stood up against Churchill to side with the US position in our back yard during WWll.


The left have of course taken strong positions against various US blunders Vietnam being a good example.
 
joea said:
Think(Abbott did not have the exposure to Obama that Gillard had.)
joea
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This is a good point. The recent rise in Ms Gillard's popularity as PM can probably be attributed to her waltzing around on the world stage patting every notable politician in as many places as physically possible in the process. Since they've all been blokes, they've apparently thought this was just OK, baby.
 
I listened to Abbott's speech, it was perfectly acceptable in the context.

I'd take it over Bob Browns 'speech' to President Bush in similar circumstances. Brown was in the conga line this time, along with Adam Brandt, if not quite as tactile as the PM. Even though this President continues his predecessor's support of the military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
The following is an extract of an opinion piece on Business Spectator which imo is on the money:
The solution is clear. At a bare minimum, what Abbott needs to do – and do very quickly – is to reshuffle.

He needs to make Malcolm Turnbull his shadow treasurer, and tell the world he will be treasurer in government. He also needs to bring former Howard chief of staff and respected bureaucrat Arthur Sinodinos into his front line and make him shadow minister for finance.

Why now? The answer is simple: Abbott needs to build economic credibility to avoid the increasingly obvious own goals from his current players. Economic credibility cannot be switched on and off with a flick of the wrist: it is earned over time, with slog.

Turnbull is widely respected in the business and wider community for his economic nous, his experience and acumen.
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Full article here:
http://www.businessspectator.com.au...tent=23286&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=commentary
 
Very good point in the Spectator. Well picked up Julia.

Amanda Vanstone made a similar point in "The Age" today.


Being in opposition is child's play compared with being in government. Government runs 24/7; it is enormous. Mistakes when they inevitably happen can be hard to chase down. You wanted the job of dealing with the issues as they arose and there they are on your doorstep every morning, in your head every night.

Does Abbott feel ready for this? He knows what it is like and has shown a work ethic that will easily handle government a second time around. But what about his team? Are they all up at the crack of dawn and on the job? If they are not, he should change them around.

He should ask himself two questions.

First, have I got the best people in my team and in the right jobs? Surely we could not consider a Liberal government without new senator Arthur Sinodinos in the ministry? Is Malcolm Turnbull being used to his fullest capacity? If not, does that reflect a weakness on Abbott's part? And sadly, there are a few "shadows" who, to steal a phrase, don't cast one.

Second, his team has had some difficulty avoiding slip-ups and singing the same tune. If this isn't the time for a reshuffle, when will Abbott tighten up his team? If you can't control it now, it won't be any easier in government.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...ou-wish-for-20120318-1vdjt.html#ixzz1pYxwE0ek
 
The Spectator is broadly correct, but it's not a perfect solution. Doubts remain over Turnbull as a team player, and you can imagine the internal furore if Hockey and Robb are asked to stand aside.
 
Logique said:
The Spectator is broadly correct, but it's not a perfect solution. Doubts remain over Turnbull as a team player, and you can imagine the internal furore if Hockey and Robb are asked to stand aside.
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Sure, but with Hockey and Robb in their present positions, the Coalition, imo at least, lacks credibility.
If the party wants to take government it needs to make a few tough decisions and people need to accept that they are simply not the best qualified for a particular role.
I can never understand why Andrew Robb is even on the front bench. He always seems hesitant, inarticulate and confused. Absolutely does not inspire confidence.
 
I don't put it past Labor to change their leader before the next election, be it for Bill Shorten or someone else. So yes the Libs do need to plan for their own changes, I can't deny that.
 
Julia said:
I can never understand why Andrew Robb is even on the front bench. He always seems hesitant, inarticulate and confused. Absolutely does not inspire confidence.
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Do you think that his personal battles with his mind are affecting his capacity to perform on the front bench? Would it have made a difference if he didn't reveal them? If he didn't, would anyone have noticed his hesitant, inarticulate and confused manner????
 
Logique said:
I don't put it past Labor to change their leader before the next election, be it for Bill Shorten or someone else. So yes the Libs do need to plan for their own changes, I can't deny that.
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One thing that worries me about Abbott is his desparation. It is widely acknowledged that his 'me too' paid maternity leave policy is designed to hang onto the female vote. Surely his shallowness will sooner or later be seen as risky to the fortunes of the coalition?
 
Eager said:
Do you think that his personal battles with his mind are affecting his capacity to perform on the front bench? Would it have made a difference if he didn't reveal them? If he didn't, would anyone have noticed his hesitant, inarticulate and confused manner????
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It's a very reasonable question. And one to which we cannot know the answer.
All I can say is that I have never found him even remotely competent and this dates to long before he decided to publicise his mental health problems.

(I cannot fathom why so many well known identities seem to feel obliged to inform the public at large of their every personal psychological difficulty. Just deal with it if you can. Otherwise resign and make room for someone more able.)

I know it's fashionable to consider people 'brave' for displaying their depression and other mental illnesses, but I'm just a bit sick of hearing about all these people and their courageous struggles. Do it in private. The taxpayer funds your existence to get on with the job not wallow in some personal soap opera.
 
Eager said:
One thing that worries me about Abbott is his desparation. It is widely acknowledged that his 'me too' paid maternity leave policy is designed to hang onto the female vote. Surely his shallowness will sooner or later be seen as risky to the fortunes of the coalition?
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Loath that policy, can't for the life of me see why he clings to it. As for winning votes by it, I think Australian women have analytical powers, don't see it changing too many votes. The executive gets the 6mths leave at executive wages - that's going to go down real well on the factory floor.
 
Julia said:
...The taxpayer funds your existence to get on with the job not wallow in some personal soap opera.
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I feel for the guy I really do, but the dynamic between him and Joe Hockey approaches dysfunctionality. Ultimately the party comes first.
 
Abbott, Abbott, Abbott. Echoes of Marcia, Marcia, Marcia, for those of us who remember. Get ready for more, much more. With thanks to the SMH for publishing it.

Queensland tsunami is heading for federal ALP - SMH - March 28, 2012 -Peter Costello
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...federal-alp-20120327-1vwi1.html#ixzz1qN9NG3cm
...Labor once saw its purpose as supporting skilled and unskilled workers to raise their living standards. But today its historic mission seems to be to stop Tony Abbott. On his first day as Senator, Bob Carr thought the most important statement to make to the press was a line he had rehearsed about Abbott as a "cheapskate hypnotist". Carr may not understand about sanctions on PNG or the family situation of the recent Taser victim in NSW but he sure understands his main mission in Canberra! He urged his colleagues to "dwell a bit more on the horror of an Abbott-led government" and led off by claiming it would be ''unpredictable'', ''erratic'' and ''vicious''.

The government does not claim it is making life better for average Australians. It does not claim it is keeping down costs of living, improving services or cutting taxes. It claims it is in office to keep Abbott out. Sometimes there is an attack on a billionaire or two to spice things up but it's still not much of an electoral program.
- Peter Costello
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Hockey has been banging on about entitlement. Certainly he has no entitlement to the job he is in. By retaining Hockey and Robb in their jobs Abbott is only providing the Abbott haters with more ammunition. In to meantime Turnbull's expertise is wasted in a job opposing Stephen Conroy, probably labor's weakest performer

The Coalition invited attention again this week with Mr Robb defending mortgage rate increases and Mr Hockey unable to support his speech on the culture of entitlement with any plans. All this while what could be the nation's economic dream team of Malcolm Turnbull and Arthur Sinodinos busy themselves with less important tasks. There is no entitlement to power: the opposition needs to put its best team in place in order to win government.
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(from The Australian editorial)
 
Calliope said:
Hockey has been banging on about entitlement. Certainly he has no entitlement to the job he is in. By retaining Hockey and Robb in their jobs Abbott is only providing the Abbott haters with more ammunition.
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That would be a good thing I would have thought?

In to meantime Turnbull's expertise is wasted in a job opposing Stephen Conroy, probably labor's weakest performer

(from The Australian editorial)
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What expertise would that be? Bringing the Liberals as close as possible to Labor?

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