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sails said:
SC, it's unlikely that the libs would scrap NBN entirely and can't see them digging up what's already been done. However, they are likely to look for a more effecient solution. It's what the libs have been trained to do over the years to fix up labor's messes.
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Correct.
I cannot find the article, but Abbott has said that they would most probably ensure fibre went to a district, but not necessarily to the home. Or something like that.
NBN is almost at the point of no return, so there should be no doubt that it will go ahead in some form.

joea
 
So_Cynical said:
deprive the citizens of West Ryde, Tamworth, Broken Hill, Mt Gravatt, etc, etc, etc, etc while 2 million people already have it.

That's just not gona fly.
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I cannot see Tony Abbott making decisions on "who or where will get what".
He will be leaving it up to the MP's in charge of the NBN. No doubt the MP's will be then leaving it up to those companies involved in implementing the NBN.
Those companies would advise the government on the "brief" they were given by the government.
There has been no change of Government.! So what's the problem.?
I see many people jumping at shadow's.

In our area the main communication link to our district was a fibre installation many years ago.
Julia Gillard did not invent Fibre Optic Cable!!!!!!

Less face it. The NBN costs are going to be considerably higher than that estimated by Labor. If there is a change in government, it would surely be responsible to rein in some of the costs while giving maximum exposure.
But that is what would be expected of the coalition!!
joea
 
Good point joea.
They will have to be very careful though. Their negativity on this issue lost them a lot of country votes in the last election.
I think they will end up offering the last section be fibre. Maybe they will subsidize it by raising the Medicare levy. Seems to be the standard trick.
 
sails said:
SC, it's unlikely that the libs would scrap NBN entirely and can't see them digging up what's already been done. However, they are likely to look for a more effecient solution. It's what the libs have been trained to do over the years to fix up labor's messes.
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NBN Co are apparently negotiating contracts that get them through to 2015 for the fibre. They have already signed the contracts for wireless to 2015, and for the supply of 2 satellites in 2015.

Abbott and Turnbull have both stated in the last couple of weeks that they will honour all existing contracts.

So, either way, the FTTP/Wireless/sat NBN rollout is safe until 2015. By which time I'd be pretty certain that the vast majority of the $27bn Govt equity will have been injected. With 100% of sat and wireless, and at least 40% of fibre rollouts already paid for, there won't be much in the way of cost savings available.

As progression has been made, the coalition's position has evolved. They are no longer talking about cancelling it, turning it over to the private sector or tearing up contracts. Turnbull is now talking about renegotiating the Telstra deal so that NBN Co can use the copper to run FTTN.

I suspect that a worst-case outcome now is FTTP until 2015, then a change to VDSL2-based FTTN for the remainder of the rollout, with wireless and sat programs continuing unchanged.

Even that may prove a political challenge, with the FTTP rollout generally happening all over the place, so most Australians will be adjoining an FTTP area by 2015. It will be hard to convince them that they should only get a cheap version, especially if the rollout is running reasonably well.

This is a good analysis:
http://afr.com/p/technology/little_gain_in_halting_the_nbn_juggernaut_IKd4sbqA9MOsffCbIr4cKJ
 
Knobby22 said:
Good point joea.
They will have to be very careful though. Their negativity on this issue lost them a lot of country votes in the last election.
I think they will end up offering the last section be fibre. Maybe they will subsidize it by raising the Medicare levy. Seems to be the standard trick.
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LOL dude it cost them Government...hello!

Oakeshott and Windsor wanted the NBN and 1 vote Tony wouldn't give it.
 
drsmith said:
Oakeshott and Windsor wanted a carbon tax and Tony wouldn't give it.

Good on him for that.
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Yep 1 vote Tony and the coalition's brains trust at its very best...brilliant. :D

Offered the chance of Govt and didn't want it enough...thanks but no thanks guys...we like opposition and the extended oppertunity to make an absoulute zero contribution, afterall its what we do best. :p:
 
Telstra has upset poor Stephen and it really is Tony's fault. He can't handle the truth.


From The Australian
Lanai Vasek

"Communications Minister Stephen Conroy lashes out at Telstra over the NBN

COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy has attacked Telstra over its praise for the Coalition's broadband model, saying the telco has been "holding Australia back" for years.

Senator Conroy said Telstra chief executive David Thodey's declaration ysterday that the Coalition's National Broadband Network model would be cheaper and faster to roll out than the government's $36 billion design was “no surprise”."
 
dutchie said:
Telstra has upset poor Stephen and it really is Tony's fault. He can't handle the truth.


From The Australian
Lanai Vasek

"Communications Minister Stephen Conroy lashes out at Telstra over the NBN

COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy has attacked Telstra over its praise for the Coalition's broadband model, saying the telco has been "holding Australia back" for years.

Senator Conroy said Telstra chief executive David Thodey's declaration ysterday that the Coalition's National Broadband Network model would be cheaper and faster to roll out than the government's $36 billion design was “no surprise”."
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Telstra shareholders are the biggest winners from the NBN , bar none, and if TLS are willing to say the NBN Rollout is a dud, a dud it is.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Telstra shareholders are the biggest winners from the NBN , bar none, and if TLS are willing to say the NBN Rollout is a dud, a dud it is.

gg
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No, Telstra are smart.

If they can get te Coalition to break the deal they get:

(i) a huge windfall as the contract is broken and they get a variation. (money for jam)
(ii) control of much of the network as they will still own the final copper wires.
(iii) the valuable support of Garpel Gumnut
(iV) The support of theright wing shockjocks. Maybe they won't have to pay them secretely anymore to say good things?
 
joea said:
Correct.
I cannot find the article, but Abbott has said that they would most probably ensure fibre went to a district, but not necessarily to the home. Or something like that.

joea
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Nice article on delimiter today about the state of the existing copper network. You know, the one that the Coalition want to re-use to bring their Fibre To The Node plan to fruition.
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/19/australias-copper-broadband-infrastructure-the-reality/

A few pics from the story:

awful.jpg


awful3.jpg
 
No NBNMyths,

That is a picture of the drying room at the ALP Spaghetti Farm, where after the crop is picked from the trees, it is dried out for sale to gullible customers.

Just like the NBN has.

gg
 
tinhat said:
A very concise view of how we got the NBN we have and Telstra's role in the fairfax media today:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/telstra-connects-with-coalition-20120420-1xckm.html
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SMH]STEPHEN Conroy must be fuming at news that Telstra would happily work with a Coalition government to build a national fibre-to-the-node network. That was his idea - but Telstra would not co-operate when the Labor government wanted to build it. Instead said:
No NBNMyths,

That is a picture of the drying room at the ALP Spaghetti Farm, where after the crop is picked from the trees, it is dried out for sale to gullible customers.

Just like the NBN has.

gg
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Good to see you finally dropping all pretension to any balanced or realistic views on the NBN, i hope you carry it though to the other Labor bashing threads as well...i imagine its refreshing for you to come out of the "fair and balanced/i voted Labor once" closet?
 
I wouldn't be mentioning Labor and closet in the same sentence as a defence.

One of Labor's closets may have just been nuked.
 
My place is on the 1st year roll out list, contracts signed so if the coalition gain government and stop the rest of the NBN then they will have help increase the value of my property oh yea go Tony LOLRATF.

Even money bet they don't kill it in the cities or Liberal held seats.
 

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