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Wouldn't the feds have anti every thing encoded to stop hacking etc regardless of who installs the system????
 
CNBC Code Wars

Much of the computer hardware and software used to power networks in the U.S. are made in countries that spy on us relentlessly in cyberspace. These components could be infecting the manufacturing line with invisible, anonymous Trojan horses. It’s espionage for a new generation.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/42210831



I have no idea how reliable the story is, still interesting.
 
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Is this one of the most stupid statements ever? From Huawei’s local chairman, John Lord:

“Huawei is not a security risk to Australia,” he told The Australian Financial Review. “That’s why I am the chairman and why Mr [John] Brumby and Mr [Alexander] Downer are on the board.”

http://www.afr.com/p/national/huawei_we_re_no_security_risk_zisPkK3nBAZBaduA1UGrQJ

Putting those three on the board was to facilitate access to the Australian Government to make it easier for Huawei to get selected for Australian contracts. None of the three have a technical background in communications as far as I can tell, so they would be completely unfamiliar with espionage methods.

If I, as a company, were to try and gain access to a foreign government's infrastructure so as to be in a position to undertake nefarious activities, the first thing I would do is to try and gain the confidence of that government. That is one of the reasons they are on the board.

IMO all three are acting treasonously by implying the government's actions are xenophobic, when none of them are privy to the information that ASIO has.
 
bellenuit said:
Is this one of the most stupid statements ever? From Huawei’s local chairman, John Lord:

“Huawei is not a security risk to Australia,” he told The Australian Financial Review. “That’s why I am the chairman and why Mr [John] Brumby and Mr [Alexander] Downer are on the board.”

http://www.afr.com/p/national/huawei_we_re_no_security_risk_zisPkK3nBAZBaduA1UGrQJ

Putting those three on the board was to facilitate access to the Australian Government to make it easier for Huawei to get selected for Australian contracts. None of the three have a technical background in communications as far as I can tell, so they would be completely unfamiliar with espionage methods.
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I agree.

I'm actually surprised Downer and Brumby are on the board of this company. Considering the number of cyber attacks that eminate from China against Western governments and corporations, it seems somewhat myopic on their part to want to be associated with the biggest telecoms manufacturer in China.

bellenuit said:
IMO all three are acting treasonously by implying the government's actions are xenophobic, when none of them are privy to the information that ASIO has.
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It's not even close to being treason.
 
Huawei fears spread to New Zealand

http://www.zdnet.com.au/huawei-fears-spread-to-new-zealand-339334731.htm

Huawei fears spread to New Zealand
The Australian Government's decision to ban Huawei from tendering for the National Broadband Network (NBN) has sent ripples across the Tasman, with the New Zealand Labour Party calling on its government to explain Huawei's involvement with New Zealand's ultra-fast broadband roll-out.

The government banned Chinese-owned network vendor Huawei from competing for contracts with the NBN because of security fears. Huawei has long been under scrutiny because of alleged links with the People's Liberation Army. The office of the attorney-general said that it had the responsibility to protect the integrity of the network and the information carried on it, and Prime Minister Julia Gillard said the decision was "prudent".

Huawei has picked up a number of contracts for rolling out fibre across New Zealand as part of the government's NZ$1.5 billion ultra-fast broadband project. The open-access fibre network will cover 75 per cent of the country and will be able to offer Kiwis download speeds of up to 100 megabits per second (Mbps) and upload speeds of 50Mbps. As with Australia's NBN, the roll-out is expected to take 10 years.
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moXJO said:
God knows why NZ cares if anyone is spying on them. Are they worried their supposed record sheep numbers will be found out to be fake or something.
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Well, for that matter, what would they want to be spying on Australia for?
 
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Julia said:
Well, for that matter, what would they want to be spying on Australia for?
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Australia and Japan are probably the two closest US allies in the Asian region. In terms of bilateral trade, Australia is the 6th largest trading partner with China. I'd say those are two fairly significant factors.
 
Probe in UK led to Huawei NBN ban

Probe in UK led to Huawei NBN ban

BRITAIN'S intelligence services were forced to erect a costly, resource-intensive auditing structure to ensure Huawei did not steal secrets after the Chinese telco was allowed to take part in a British broadband project.

As Foreign Minister Bob Carr moved to soothe tensions with Beijing, encouraging Huawei to expand its commercial operations in Australia in lieu of lucrative National Broadband Network contracts, the country's top signals intelligence expert, Des Ball, said yesterday there was "no doubt" Huawei partnered with China's espionage services.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/probe-in-uk-led-to-huawei-nbn-ban/story-e6frgaif-1226312911964
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The NBN is an ALP/Green waste of money.

People are turning to ipads and cellphones.

This is a huge impost on the workers of Australia.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...huge-saving-says-turnbull-20120417-1x5nt.html

gg
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Come on GG, I was pretty kind not posting stories about the start of the volume rollout, considering how embarrassing it must be following a few of your "imminent demise of the NBN" posts in this thread.

But now you go and post rubbish from Turnbull, extrapolating it even further than his own disingenuous comments.

Let me throw some facts in the way of your "good story":

The vast majority of data downloaded over tablets and smartphones is actually served by the fixed network over WiFi, not the mobile broadband network. In fact, it is not permitted to download movies or large apps from iTunes over the mobile network. You must use WiFi. A US report states that 91.9% of all data delivered to iPads comes via the fixed line network.
http://macdailynews.com/2011/06/23/...ible-for-89-of-worldwide-tablet-data-traffic/

The US FCC and assorted other groups claim that wireless networks will soon collapse unless even more traffic can be moved off mobile networks, and on to WiFi attached to the fixed network.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/21/technology/spectrum_crunch/index.htm
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...spectrum-biggest-peril-to-mobile-wireless.ars
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112904854.html

According to the ABS, fixed lines are not being replaced by mobile broadband connections. To the contrary, even though ADSL is at near-saturation point, connections are still growing at double the rate of new dwellings.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/8153.0Chapter3Dec 2011

Again, according to the ABS, mobile broadband accounts for just 7% of data volume in Australia, down from 8% a year ago. Fixed lines (DSL, cable and fibre) account for 93% (up from 92%).
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/8153.0Chapter7Dec 2011

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NBNMyths said:
Come on GG, I was pretty kind not posting stories about the start of the volume rollout, considering how embarrassing it must be following a few of your "imminent demise of the NBN" posts in this thread.

But now you go and post rubbish from Turnbull, extrapolating it even further than his own disingenuous comments.

Let me throw some facts in the way of your "good story":

The vast majority of data downloaded over tablets and smartphones is actually served by the fixed network over WiFi, not the mobile broadband network. In fact, it is not permitted to download movies or large apps from iTunes over the mobile network. You must use WiFi. A US report states that 91.9% of all data delivered to iPads comes via the fixed line network.
http://macdailynews.com/2011/06/23/...ible-for-89-of-worldwide-tablet-data-traffic/

The US FCC and assorted other groups claim that wireless networks will soon collapse unless even more traffic can be moved off mobile networks, and on to WiFi attached to the fixed network.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/21/technology/spectrum_crunch/index.htm
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...spectrum-biggest-peril-to-mobile-wireless.ars
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/29/AR2010112904854.html

According to the ABS, fixed lines are not being replaced by mobile broadband connections. To the contrary, even though ADSL is at near-saturation point, connections are still growing at double the rate of new dwellings.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/8153.0Chapter3Dec 2011

Again, according to the ABS, mobile broadband accounts for just 7% of data volume in Australia, down from 8% a year ago. Fixed lines (DSL, cable and fibre) account for 93% (up from 92%).
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/8153.0Chapter7Dec 2011

Ap1vgLaCEAAMeRl.jpg
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I actually just posted this to flush you out mate.

Its all being sorted.

The ALP/Green agenda is deeper than most folk realise.

Enjoy NBNMyths, while you can.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The NBN is an ALP/Green waste of money.

People are turning to ipads and cellphones.

This is a huge impost on the workers of Australia.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...huge-saving-says-turnbull-20120417-1x5nt.html

gg
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LOL GG you you even bother to actually read what you post links to? :banghead:

www.smh.com.au] Mr Turnbull will say the Coalition favours a cheaper [B]fibre-to-the-node[/B] (FTTN) model said:
I actually just posted this to flush you out mate.

Its all being sorted.

The ALP/Green agenda is deeper than most folk realise.

Enjoy NBNMyths, while you can.

gg
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:rolleyes:

So_Cynical said:
That's the key...the green senators are mostly newly elected so sitting for 8 year terms...so the question is how many senators will Labor have left after the election, anyway the Senate terms are fixed so (has a quick google) expire on June 30 2014 :D the NBN is as safe as for at least the next 2 and a half years.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senators/sen_exp.htm

Then we have troubles, 16 Labor senators vulnerable but i would reckon Bob Brown and the other 2 green Senators would be safe....surely the Australian electorate would not be stupid enough to hand the coalition the senate as well...look at what happened last time.
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Safe as unleveraged Aussie real estate
 
So_Cynical said:
That's the key...the green senators are mostly newly elected so sitting for 8 year terms...so the question is how many senators will Labor have left after the election, anyway the Senate terms are fixed so (has a quick google) expire on June 30 2014 :D the NBN is as safe as for at least the next 2 and a half years.

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senators/sen_exp.htm

Then we have troubles, 16 Labor senators vulnerable but i would reckon Bob Brown and the other 2 green Senators would be safe....surely the Australian electorate would not be stupid enough to hand the coalition the senate as well...look at what happened last time.
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If Gillard had kept her promise on carbon tax and simply took it to the people at the next election, your statements above would probably be right.

Voters do NOT like being lied to. Anna Bligh did the same sort of deception as Gillard has done - except Gillard's is worse, imo. 77 seats to the LNP - 7 to ALP (and likely Bligh's seat will go to LNP).

It is entirely possible that Aussies will indeed throw the lot out that have diddled them and give the coalition both houses so they can clean up the messes left behind by labor. This time it's not just debt - there is tangled legislation and possibly poisoned wells that will need legislation passed by both houses with some urgency.

However, the new senators would not take up their positions until 2014 and if the greens prevent carbon tax being repealed, my guess is a double dissolution with a resulting massive majority in both houses so the coalition can get the job done asap.

Not so sure that your NBN is as safe as you think for another couple of years.
 
sails said:
However, the new senators would not take up their positions until 2014 and if the greens prevent carbon tax being repealed, my guess is a double dissolution with a resulting massive majority in both houses so the coalition can get the job done asap.

Not so sure that your NBN is as safe as you think for another couple of years.
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Sails seriously. :banghead:

http://www.nbnco.com.au/rollout/about-the-rollout.html

www.nbnco.com.au/rollout said:
We have released the three year rollout plan for the National Broadband Network with work planned to commence in over 1500 communities and 3.5 million premises throughout Australia through to 30th June 2015.

The three year rollout plan includes those areas where the network is active, where construction is currently underway and where work will commence within the next three years
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The senate change over will be June 30 2014 so we will be 15 or 20 billion into the rollout with maybe 2 million homes connected...and 1 vote Tonys gona pull the plug. LOL like there wont be any political fall out over that. :)

Tony going on TV telling the poeple of Rockhampton they wont be getting the NBN like Mackay did just 1 hour down the road. :roflmao: snowball in hell.
 
SC, it's unlikely that the libs would scrap NBN entirely and can't see them digging up what's already been done. However, they are likely to look for a more effecient solution. It's what the libs have been trained to do over the years to fix up labor's messes.
 
sails said:
SC, it's unlikely that the libs would scrap NBN entirely and can't see them digging up what's already been done. However, they are likely to look for a more effecient solution. It's what the libs have been trained to do over the years to fix up labor's messes.
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The chances of the citizens of Top Ryde getting the NBN (to the home) and the Citizens of West Ryde not getting it to the home is zero....simply will not happen.

Political survival 101...blame the other guy, now with Tony pulling the plug its gona be awfully hard to blame someone else...unless of course Tony goes to the election promising to do so. :) deprive the citizens of West Ryde, Tamworth, Broken Hill, Mt Gravatt, etc, etc, etc, etc while 2 million people already have it.

That's just not gona fly.
 

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