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MrBurns said:
That would be more reasonable, so the guy that was there for 15 years gets over a years pay, it will probably take him at least that long to find something else.
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The tradies should be ok if they are willing to travel, but the basic production workers might find it difficult.
 
MrBurns said:
After 15 years you're institutionalised, very hard to fit in somewhere new.
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Not always.

A tradie colleague of mine, after being with the company for 23 years, has recently left for greener pastures. And they ARE greener - 10 hr day shifts only, 5 on 5 off, 5 on 4 off, $116k base, call-ins and overtime on top, Xmas bonus on top up to 30%.

We have all asked him to put in a good word. :D

The discriminating factor seems to be age. At a time when employers are screaming out for experience (but rarely want to pay for it) because they **** in their own nest by not training their own, certain industries still abide by a cut-off age.

For Bass Strait rig workers it is 40. For the job I referred to above it is 45. It is little wonder that 70 year old 'consultants' are still hired for exhorbitant rates.
 
Probably won't help the sacked workers that it's been widely publicised that the fired workers are supposedly the worst performing workers.
 
banco said:
Probably won't help the sacked workers that it's been widely publicised that the fired workers are supposedly the worst performing workers.
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On TV last night they said that a lot of them sacked was Union reps, now they sure as hell will never get a job again.
 
pilots said:
On TV last night they said that a lot of them sacked was Union reps, now they sure as hell will never get a job again.
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In a purely statistical sense the proportion of union or safety reps retrenched seems way over the top. The 350 positions lost is 10% of the workforce there, but supposedly 70% of the union or safety reps have lost their jobs.

I found the following article interesting too, as it mentions the magical term, lack of consultation. It is amazing that a major company knows no other way than to regress to the master/servant days of the Victorian era to achieve their aims. No doubt it will eventually bite them on the bum. These are the sort of companies that deserve to fail.
http://afr.com/p/opinion/toyota_values_crash_into_local_rights_f8k88oWXRbusQAHM62FeLM
 
pilots said:
On TV last night they said that a lot of them sacked was Union reps, now they sure as hell will never get a job again.
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Wel, if you were gettin rid of underperformers and mischief makers then union reps would be the first out the door.
 
Toyota say the work culture was poor.

It would not surprise me that it was more likely that the union reps and safety guys were the worst of the culture. I am not anti-union but find that some union reps have a real chip on their shoulder that does no one any good. If it was 90% I would have a concern, 70% is probably right.

They've been compensated OK. They have the right to fire employees.
People are getting too soft saying they were hard done by because of the way they were treated. It wasn't too bad. If they were smart they would have done it better though.

I know a guy who was sacked from a big accounting firm. He was told then escorted out with guards and wasn't even allowed to clear his desk! Personal stuff was sent to him in a box a few days later.
 
Calliope said:
Wel, if you were gettin rid of underperformers and mischief makers then union reps would be the first out the door.
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Yeah I have to agree.
Vic breed a special kind of union rep that's for sure. Trouble is they will now fight tooth and nail to get back to sitting on their ar$e.

Unions suggest that many of the dismissed workers were union shop stewards and health and safety representatives. They argue much of the criteria included points for so-called “Toyota values” and were not objective performance criteria.

Chief executive Max Yasuda has already made his views clear about the negative nature of the local worker culture, which he says is characterised by high absenteeism and low productivity.

Toyota is trying to build an organisational culture based on strong common objectives and a particular “Toyota way”, established half a century ago in its Japanese homeland.
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from eagers link
 
Well done Toyota for getting rid of the union pests.....a scourge to Australian Manufacturing. Agree on the Vic unionists too, they don't come much worse.

One of the only drawbacks about managing in a manufacturing operation in Australia was having to deal with these guys. It didn't ever matter how well intended our polices were, or well implemented they were, they were never good enough. They took all their sickes, complained and bickered about everything, pilfered workcare of funds needed for genuine cases, just piss poor examples of human beings.

I don't miss the managing a workforce full of these fools.

I have known quite a few people that work for Toyota and they spoke very highly of the culture. A culture so good that almost all of the worlds top manufacturing operations have some element of the Toyota Production System in their management philosophy.

If you are not happy at Toyota you're never going to a happy employee, go on the dole and sit on your lazy ass for the rest of your life.

:2twocents

CanOz
 
I must admit to having some sympathy but not a lot for Toyota workers laid off recently.

They are sitting in dustbin states like Victoria and South Australia who do not or cannot cater for working men and women.

They need to move north where the work is.

I could find jobs tomorrow for all of the laid off Toyota workers, in Qld, WA and the NT.

gg
 
Knobby22 said:
Toyota say the work culture was poor.

It would not surprise me that it was more likely that the union reps and safety guys were the worst of the culture. I am not anti-union but find that some union reps have a real chip on their shoulder that does no one any good. If it was 90% I would have a concern, 70% is probably right.

They've been compensated OK. They have the right to fire employees.
People are getting too soft saying they were hard done by because of the way they were treated. It wasn't too bad. If they were smart they would have done it better though.

I know a guy who was sacked from a big accounting firm. He was told then escorted out with guards and wasn't even allowed to clear his desk! Personal stuff was sent to him in a box a few days later.
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Calliope said:
Wel, if you were gettin rid of underperformers and mischief makers then union reps would be the first out the door.
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+1 on both the above posts.
 

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