Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

Are there any adults here ?

No but interesting watching the women haters apply their double standards whats the word?

Misogyny

Party poling has show men will not forgive women poly's but male poly's get another chance or two Howard proved the point I think.

I would agree with you both, not a good day for ASF.

gg

 

[rumpole]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

No but interesting watching the women haters apply their double standards whats the word?

Misogyny

Party poling has show men will not forgive women poly's but male poly's get another chance or two Howard proved the point I think.

Very true. Maybe I'm starting to believe the saying "women have to do twice as much as men to be considered half as good".

Julia Gillard is about as sexy as a woman as John Howard is as a man, yet we get continual debates about her attractiveness (or lack of it), the way she dresses and other rubbish. At least Howard was judged solely on his performance.

 

[Julia]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

Very true. Maybe I'm starting to believe the saying "women have to do twice as much as men to be considered half as good".

Julia Gillard is about as sexy as a woman as John Howard is as a man, yet we get continual debates about her attractiveness (or lack of it), the way she dresses and other rubbish. At least Howard was judged solely on his performance.

Nonsense. He was continuously pejoratively referred to as "Little Johnnie".
That is way more insulting than a criticism of Ms Gillard's dress sense.

If you are seriously suggesting Julia Gillard is being judged more harshly because of her gender, you are even more of an uncritical ALP disciple than I'd imagined.
It's her policies, her lying, and her general incompetence that has her where she is in the polls.

But hey, if you want to believe otherwise, go for it. It will be just that more of a shock when the next Federal election eventually occurs.

 

[sails]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

No but interesting watching the women haters apply their double standards whats the word?

Misogyny

Party poling has show men will not forgive women poly's but male poly's get another chance or two Howard proved the point I think.

Absolute rubbish, IF. There are women members at ASF. Why would we be against women? I suppose that is a difficult concept given the size of a galah brain...

Personally, I find Gillard is an embarrassment to women. Most women have far more common sense for starters.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

If you are seriously suggesting Julia Gillard is being judged more harshly because of her gender, you are even more of an uncritical ALP disciple than I'd imagined.

I am seriously suggesting that, and your failure to realise it is evidence of your political bias.

John Howard didn't have mocking shows like "At Home with Julia" made about him, so why make them about Gillard ?

 

[wayneL]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

I am seriously suggesting that, and your failure to realise it is evidence of your political bias.

John Howard didn't have mocking shows like "At Home with Julia" made about him, so why make them about Gillard ?

Oh please! And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Astonishing hypocrisy!

 

[DocK]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

I am seriously suggesting that, and your failure to realise it is evidence of your political bias.

John Howard didn't have mocking shows like "At Home with Julia" made about him, so why make them about Gillard ?

I didn't care for "At Home with Julia" myself as I prefer to see the office of PM treated with a little more dignity, regardless of who is occupying it at the time. I do, however, clearly recall several satires and caricatures of John Howard over the many years that he held the office, on shows such as Full Frontal, the Chasers etc. I used to get a great laugh out of some of the cartoons etc - and I voted for him! We live in a world where politicians are regarded as "fair game" for comedic purposes, regardless of their sex. How often was Howard shown in the legendary Aussie tracksuit? Or Hawke's eyebrows exagerated to get a laugh? Or Keating's nose lengthened? If I were a politician I'd feel almost a reverse sexism if I were not given the same treatment simply because I'm female - sometimes equality means copping the same criticisms, peurile as they may be.

 

[sails]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

I didn't care for "At Home with Julia" myself as I prefer to see the office of PM treated with a little more dignity, regardless of who is occupying it at the time. I do, however, clearly recall several satires and caricatures of John Howard over the many years that he held the office, on shows such as Full Frontal, the Chasers etc. I used to get a great laugh out of some of the cartoons etc - and I voted for him! We live in a world where politicians are regarded as "fair game" for comedic purposes, regardless of their sex. How often was Howard shown in the legendary Aussie tracksuit? Or Hawke's eyebrows exagerated to get a laugh? Or Keating's nose lengthened? If I were a politician I'd feel almost a reverse sexism if I were not given the same treatment simply because I'm female - sometimes equality means copping the same criticisms, peurile as they may be.

Agree DocK. I suspect feminists would be offended if they didn't get the same treatment as the guys - at least favourable treatment. However, I sometimes think they like to have their cake and eat it too and then try to use "gender" as an excuse to escape negative treatment. They want the good but not the difficult. All the marks of a coward, imo.

And all this nonsense about labor being unpopular because of gender is nothing but nonsense. IMO, it's merely labor spin in attempt to try and get their own way in attempting to make people feel guilty and to question themselves.

If the PM were a male and had performed exactly the same as Gillard, there would be just as much hostility to that person.

After all, Howard was a male and that didn't win him any favours when he upset the majority of voters. Neither did it help Whitlam.

Gender is irrelevant. Performance and respecting voters is everything, imo.


PS - I have never liked power hungry incompetent feminists and I suspect there are many other females out there who would agree with me...

 

[Knobby22]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

I don't think the female effect is strong but doesn't she have a lower rating among males than females?

I know my Dad is a bit of a dinosaur but he spent years keeping women out of the local club and he would would never vote for a woman, so these guys still exist. (sorry Dad)

(PS I'm not looking forward to all these numerous Julie threads going to the next election. It feels like some have a fixation.)

 

[Miss Hale]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

The female effect can work both ways. I'm sure there are some people like Knobby22's dad who wouldn't vote for Gillard because she is a woman but there are also some who vote for her because she is a woman. Remember all the hype about having 'our first female Prime Minister'? I know some people who thought it was great that we had a female PM and this definitely affected how they voted.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

(PS I'm not looking forward to all these numerous Julie threads going to the next election. It feels like some have a fixation.)

Absolutely right.

Lets have some more focus on the Opposition.

Tony Abbott's nuts for example

 

[Julia]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

Gender is irrelevant. Performance and respecting voters is everything, imo.

PS - I have never liked power hungry incompetent feminists and I suspect there are many other females out there who would agree with me...

Indeed. And +1 on your top statement above.

The female effect can work both ways. I'm sure there are some people like Knobby22's dad who wouldn't vote for Gillard because she is a woman but there are also some who vote for her because she is a woman. Remember all the hype about having 'our first female Prime Minister'? I know some people who thought it was great that we had a female PM and this definitely affected how they voted.

So right. I've spoken to women who have been so ultra feminist that they have actually admitted they will vote for her regardless of what sort of job she does.

And Rumpole, didn't you describe this or similar thread as puerile?
It might be good not to further lower the level of discussion by the sort of reference to Tony Abbott's anatomical features you've just made. I'm sure you can discuss his disattributes without this.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

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And Rumpole, didn't you describe this or similar thread as puerile?

Yes I did Julia, but it seems to be what this forum likes. Just look at the number of "Gillard" threads here.

 

[Logique]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

...At least Howard was judged solely on his performance.

Really? And btw 'Little Johnnie' was taller than Bob Hawke. Which PM last year called Christopher Pyne a 'poodle'. When Labor appeals to 'Working Families' to prevent 'Abbott, Abbott, Abbott', do you think there's a subtle sub-text at play.

 

[rumpole]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

Really? And btw 'Little Johnnie' was taller than Bob Hawke.

If "Little Johnny" was the worst he had to put up with the press went very easy on him.

 

[bellenuit]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

I don't think the female effect is strong but doesn't she have a lower rating among males than females?

As some later posters stated, it cuts both ways. That statement would equally be correct but portray almost the opposite meaning if you framed it as:

I don't think the female effect is strong but doesn't she have a higher rating among females than males?

 

[moXJO]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

Hey Joe can you just merge all these dumb Gillard threads into one

 

[Miss Hale]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

If "Little Johnny" was the worst he had to put up with the press went very easy on him.

They didn't go easy on him. He was variously portrayed as a dork, a geek, a sports tragic, as someone else said they made fun of his tracksuit and his eyebrows. His voice was also mocked, same as Julia's is. And what about all the attacks on Tony Abbott? The press, especially the cartoonists, don't go easy on anyone regardless of what party they are from.

I am no fan of Gillard but I also didn't like "At Home with Julia", I think it was somewhat disrespectful to the position of PM (plus, from what I saw of it, it wasn't that funny, more like a one joke sketch spun out to a TV series).

 

[IFocus]

Re: Is Julia Gillard a Dalek?

As some later posters stated, it cuts both ways. That statement would equally be correct but portray almost the opposite meaning if you framed it as:

I don't think the female effect is strong but doesn't she have a higher rating among females than males?

Female ministers get a real shellacking to if their body shape is not so so Amanda Vanstone got monster-ed if I remember correctly.

 

[noco]

After Julia Gillard's visit to Queensland today and talks with Cambell Newman, I don't believe she in any way popoular with the voters of Queensland after reading some 791 comments to this link.
She should go home and stay there.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-in-election/comments-e6freooo-1226314902946