NBN Rollout Scrapped

[joea]

For curiosity sake, go to http://www.speedtest.net and post your result.

NBNMyths.
Thanks for that.
I do not think people who have not experienced Satellite would fully understand.

The best way I could sum it up is, if my satellite provider was in charge of putting something on the moon, we would see a picture of it from a tourist landing on Ayeres Rock, with the transmission coming(from those in control) the next day. On the good side it was weather compensated. i.e. if it was on, and with rain at one inch an hour no problems.

Speed test, been there, done that but that is not the answer.
They send up a satellite, and as it is loaded up everything starts to deteriorate.
Then they rehash email and you ask them what happened.? "Nothing mate , must be your computer". Then next time they rehash emai,l they send you a message.

A geek knows he never compiles code incorrectly. (hello where do bugs come from? not the garden!!!)

I spent an hour convincing a geek, that he had the controls on two vessels in parallel,
back to front. Even after he switched them he was not really convinced. So I put one on manual and shut it to 10%. He then agreed.

I will never use satellite again.

joea

 

[noco]

I was reading an article today, I can't recall if it was the Fin Review or The Weekend Australian as I read both, that made the claim the Julia will scrap the NBN by the end of next week, with the Queensland disasters as the excuse. No source given. It said that Julia is gradually dumping all the commitments made during Kevin's reign

According to the article written by Piers Akerman, this socialist left wing Labor/Green Government are about spend more taxpayers funds on artistic promotions on this WHITE ELEPHANT NBN.


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...elegraph/comments/labors_artistic_propaganda/

 

[NBNMyths]

According to the article written by Piers Akerman, this socialist left wing Labor/Green Government are about spend more taxpayers funds on artistic promotions on this WHITE ELEPHANT NBN.


http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...elegraph/comments/labors_artistic_propaganda/

"Piers Akerman article". I think that's an oxymoron isn't it?

I would have though "Piers Akerman's anti-anything-not-ultra-conservative rant of the day" would be a more accurate description

On a more serious note, it's pretty standard practise in industry and Government to fund projects for innovation based around new products/technologies/methods etc. Some of the most successful tech companies in the World (eg Google) fund and encourage similar projects on a permanent basis. That's one reason why they are so successful.

The NBN is no different. There are similar incentives and projects underway for scientific, medical, education etc uses for the NBN's high speed broadband too.

 

[NBNMyths]

Breaking News!

Following his strong criticism of the new NBN Satellite contract, Malcolm Turnbull has released a graphic of the Coalition's alternative policy for remote broadband delivery:

 

[NBNMyths]

Aussies support NBN by two to one

AUSTRALIANS supporting the high speed national broadband network (NBN) exceed opponents by more than two to one, a new survey shows.

The Essential Research survey released today showed 56 per cent of 1042 respondents were in favour of the NBN, up from 54 per cent when the question was previously asked in April 2011.

As well, support for the $35.9 billion project has risen by eight percentage points from 48 per cent in February last year.

Some 25 per cent of those surveyed opposed the NBN, down from 31 per cent in February 2011.

The biggest supporters of the NBN were Labor voters at 80 per cent, with Greens voters on 77 per cent.

While 42 per cent of Coalition voters were in favour of the network, 43 per cent were not.

The government-owned enterprise, NBN Co, is in charge of rolling out fibre-optic cable to deliver high-speed broadband services to 93 per cent of Australia's 13 million homes, schools and businesses by 2021.

Fixed wireless technology will provide high-speed internet to four per cent of premises, and the remaining three per cent will be supplied by two satellites to areas outside the reach of the cable and wireless networks.

The online survey was conducted between February 15 and 19, 2012.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...-two-to-one-poll/story-e6frf7ko-1226276321440

http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/opinion-of-nbn-3/

 

[Bill M]

Re: Aussies support NBN by two to one

The online survey was conducted between February 15 and 19, 2012.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/br...-two-to-one-poll/story-e6frf7ko-1226276321440

http://www.essentialmedia.com.au/opinion-of-nbn-3/

And to add to that current online polling on the smh.com.au site is showing 74% in favour and 24% against.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/broadband-wins-converts-20120220-1tjqf.html

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The NBN is getting like the pink batts scandal.

A mate lives in Mundingburra, a Townsville suburb full of ABC listeners and Labor luvvies. With the recent storms and weather they lost power. They said to themselves at least we still have the internet, as we are on the NBN, being first movers for the privilege and good ALP voters.

Problem was the NBN wires are not underground, they go with the power and were knocked out with the power.

Mate said, he would be fine as the NBN spruiker assured him the battery would last for days.

The battery carked it after 11 hours.

What a joke. He now has no internet.

All those promises, and all that infrastructure, and they put it overground in a cyclone/storm area.

My mate is now going to vote for the Katter Party. He had a fair few knocks at footy as a kid, but I am told is a good financial planner. He cannot now contact his clients, which may or may not advantage them.

gg

 

[So_Cynical]

Problem was the NBN wires are not underground, they go with the power and were knocked out with the power. All those promises, and all that infrastructure, and they put it overground in a cyclone/storm area.

So are you suggesting that the fed Govt should increase the NBN spend by placing ALL cabling underground? and perhaps spending an extra 4 or 5 billion.

Seriously

This thread is a nightmare for you GG...and it seems the nightmare continues.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The NBN is getting like the pink batts scandal.

A mate lives in Mundingburra, a Townsville suburb full of ABC listeners and Labor luvvies. With the recent storms and weather they lost power. They said to themselves at least we still have the internet, as we are on the NBN, being first movers for the privilege and good ALP voters.

Problem was the NBN wires are not underground, they go with the power and were knocked out with the power.

Mate said, he would be fine as the NBN spruiker assured him the battery would last for days.

The battery carked it after 11 hours.

What a joke. He now has no internet.

All those promises, and all that infrastructure, and they put it overground in a cyclone/storm area.

My mate is now going to vote for the Katter Party. He had a fair few knocks at footy as a kid, but I am told is a good financial planner. He cannot now contact his clients, which may or may not advantage them.

gg

So are you suggesting that the fed Govt should increase the NBN spend by placing ALL cabling underground? and perhaps spending an extra 4 or 5 billion.

Seriously

This thread is a nightmare for you GG...and it seems the nightmare continues.

I would suggest mate, that the NBN spend is a total waste of money.

If the ALP leaning, upper class of Mundingburra are dissatisfied with the NBN, the NBN is in strife.

And big strife, mate.

It does not deliver, is the message. It does not deliver.

It is an Ex-Parrot.

gg

 

[nulla nulla]

Breaking News!

Following his strong criticism of the new NBN Satellite contract, Malcolm Turnbull has released a graphic of the Coalition's alternative policy for remote broadband delivery:

I wonder if the "ebay seller" lists his address as Nigeria?

 

[NBNMyths]

The NBN is getting like the pink batts scandal.

A mate lives in Mundingburra, a Townsville suburb full of ABC listeners and Labor luvvies. With the recent storms and weather they lost power. They said to themselves at least we still have the internet, as we are on the NBN, being first movers for the privilege and good ALP voters.

Problem was the NBN wires are not underground, they go with the power and were knocked out with the power.

Mate said, he would be fine as the NBN spruiker assured him the battery would last for days.

The battery carked it after 11 hours.

What a joke. He now has no internet.

All those promises, and all that infrastructure, and they put it overground in a cyclone/storm area.

My mate is now going to vote for the Katter Party. He had a fair few knocks at footy as a kid, but I am told is a good financial planner. He cannot now contact his clients, which may or may not advantage them.

gg

Oh gg, you really don't understand much about the whole project, do you?

About 75% of the NBN will be underground and 25% overhead. Basically, wherever the Telstra lines are overhead, the NBN will be too. Wherever Telstra lines are underground, that's where the NBN will be. The Townsville trial site is the overhead trial site and was constructed before the NBN got access to Telstra's underground duct network.

It's not that the NBN wires in Townville were "knocked out", it's that the power was knocked out. This should be obvious since the NBN was "working for 11 hours". Since fibre doesn't carry power, any fibre network needs power at both ends, hence the supply of the NBN backup battery. The battery has always been advertised as lasting for 4-5 hours (so 11 hours is quite spectacular), and it has never been advertised as "lasting for days". I should also point out that the backup battery only provides power to the NBN voice port, not the data ports. Either way, whether the lines were above or below ground in this case is a moot point.

All that aside, there is no network that works without power. While the current copper network works for phone calls without power (as the backup batteries are located at the exchange), it doesn't work for internet since both ADSL and dialup modems require power to operate. Mobile broadband requires backup batteries at the tower which only last for a few hours, and of course the user dongle requires power from the laptop it's plugged in to. The coalition's FTTN proposal requires power at the street cabinet located about 500m apart along every street, and at the house to power the VDSL modem.

Perhaps you'd like to tell everyone about the power-less alternative which you advocate?

Oh, and does your mate realise that Katter is one of the strongest supporters of the NBN?

I would suggest mate, that the NBN spend is a total waste of money.

If the ALP leaning, upper class of Mundingburra are dissatisfied with the NBN, the NBN is in strife.

And big strife, mate.

It does not deliver, is the message. It does not deliver.

It is an Ex-Parrot.

gg

It's popularity is only growing. Sorry gg that your prophecies from this thread continue to be proven laughably inaccurate:

People are actually moving to Kiama and Willunga just to get the NBN. Hitting 26 and 29% takeup respectively after 5 months,it is dwarfing ADSL which only hit 3% after 18 months when it first became available.

http://southern-times-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/story/nbn-brings-people-to-willunga/

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2012/s3454550.htm

 

[DB008]

Chinese company shut out from NBN tendering

Chinese company shut out from NBN tendering

A Chinese technology company has been shut out from tendering for National Broadband Network contracts because of national security concerns.

Huawei operates in more than 100 countries and has been in Australia since 2004.

The Federal Government says it made its decision because it has a responsibility to protect the integrity of the NBN and the information carried on it.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard defended the decision, saying the Government was acting in the best interests of the network.

More on link above.


I'm sure that NBNMyths can give us some more info on this?
Will Cisco now be the major supplier?

 

[NBNMyths]

Re: Chinese company shut out from NBN tendering

Chinese company shut out from NBN tendering


More on link above.


I'm sure that NBNMyths can give us some more info on this?
Will Cisco now be the major supplier?

First I heard about it was the news this week.

Most of the NBN's major equipment contracts have already been let to Alcatel, Cisco, Nokia-Siemens etc. Not sure what would be left for Huawei anyway. Maybe they were hoping NBN Co would make them a secondary supplier or something.

Other reports today are saying that the decision to exclude them was based on advice from ASIO.

 

[DB008]

Yes, there seems to be a fair amount of 'Chinese Government sponsored' hacking that has made the headlines.

Google pulled out of China.
RIO/BHP/FMG all got compromised recently.

Is it surprising? Not really.

Can the parts be made to spec and thus eliminating so called security threats?

 

[Knobby22]

Yes, there seems to be a fair amount of 'Chinese Government sponsored' hacking that has made the headlines.

Google pulled out of China.
RIO/BHP/FMG all got compromised recently.

Is it surprising? Not really.

Can the parts be made to spec and thus eliminating so called security threats?

I don't really care, if they want to win Australian contracts then they should stop putting our citizens in jail.

 

[DB008]

I don't really care, if they want to win Australian contracts then they should stop putting our citizens in jail.

That doesn't make sense at all.
Do a crime in another country, but come home to do the time?

(Sounds familiar - maybe l should smuggle drugs in Asia, and come back here to do the time, instead of the death penalty????)

Your probably talking about the Rio exec who is doing time in China?

 

[bellenuit]

Re: Chinese company shut out from NBN tendering

Chinese company shut out from NBN tendering


More on link above.


I'm sure that NBNMyths can give us some more info on this?
Will Cisco now be the major supplier?

This is one issue I support Gillard on. The Chinese do not play by the rules and letting them in on a contract so sensitive as this is just asking for trouble. I think Downer ought to be ashamed for his statements claiming that the only reason they are being excluded is because they are Chinese. When it comes to national security, all sides of politics should pull together, even ex politicians.

 

[DB008]

I agree bellenuit.
This is one issue where Gillard has to be given a thumbs up.

National security, if we stuff it up now, imagine how much it will cost to fix and the implications it might have???

 

[Knobby22]

That doesn't make sense at all.
Do a crime in another country, but come home to do the time?

(Sounds familiar - maybe l should smuggle drugs in Asia, and come back here to do the time, instead of the death penalty????)

Your probably talking about the Rio exec who is doing time in China?

And Mathew Ng among others. They don't get a fair trial. One guy was told hand over your business or we will jail you. If they want good relations in our business world they should give us due process in theirs.

 

[DB008]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-broadband-network-at-risk-from-spies-and-hackers/story-fn59niix-1225981280336

In 2008, The Australian revealed that Australian intelligence agencies were investigating Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, in the wake of international concerns about its alleged links with the Chinese military and government.

Huawei, which is seeking to be a major player in the NBN, has strongly denied any such links and has enlisted former foreign minister Alexander Downer's lobbying firm Bespoke Approach to help it open doors for it in Australia.

The federal government believes China is the nation that poses the most serious cyber threat to Australia because of the scale and sophistication of its hacking capabilities.

China denies it employs cyber spies to glean national security information from Australia.

U.S. government to investigate Huawei, ZTE for security threats
http://www.mobileburn.com/17604/news/us-government-to-investigate-huawei-zte-for-security-threats

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203363504577187502201577054.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203363504577187502201577054.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora