The Evil Power of Murdoch

[Knobby22]

We, in Australia, are in a similar situation to GBR.

We have a man who prime ministers (Rudd did it last publically) go cap in hand to get permission from this man.

It is well known he did deals with new Labour in England and everyone knows the Conservatives promised him BSkyB before this blowup.

Bush II did a deal that for his support he would get control of their equivalent of BSkyB.

He is a cancer on our democracy. It appears the Libs have obviously done the latest deal as seen by the behaviour of his newspapers. When they get in we shall see what he gets.

They have acted criminally in GBR and that has been his top people that have instigated it. I think similar behaviour will be found in Australia but just as they were in England, the politicians are cowed, the police are told not to act and unfortunately we don't have a paper like the Guardian.

My opinion is that he has got too much power in Australia and should be made to sell off some of his assets for the good of our democracy. He definitely should not be allowed to run our international Australia channel. (This was probably promised to him by Rudd).

Would anyone be surprised if he wasn't undergoing similar activities (bribing of police) like what has occurred in GBR here?? Or have I got it completely wrong and it is only his reporters and all is smelling like roses at the top levels of this company?

 

[basilio]

Let's stick to making sure he doesn't get the international Australia channel.

It would be interesting to see if there have been any systemic examples of phone tapping ect in Australia. I think we would only find out if ex or present staff members put their hand up or people who have had personal information used in the papers can find evidence of wrong doing. To date I can't remember any such suggestions.

 

[notting]

No you haven't got it wrong. This bloke has no conscience and way to much power. If you get pulled over for a speeding ticket and you offer the cop $200 to forget about it they will prosecute you. This guy has done unbelievable things and all the pathetic politicians and media can say is. Gee should he really be allowed to buy BSkyB??? What???
Throw him and is children in f#@%ing jail, with hard labor for life!
Fox, one of his other enterprises, is constantly propagandizing against climate change science and Democratic anything. Foxes self promoting trailer has this vomit inspiring line "Fair and balaned reporting"! Whilst it's so blatantly, blatantly the opposite. Doesn't matter if you are a republican and climate change skeptic you still should not have someone like this pouring doubt all over the peer reviewed scientific facts and screwing the whole environment for the rest of us. It's too late now so I don't really give a rats about the CO2 now. But had this guy not been around for the last 40 years maybe an orderly change to situation could have been achieved in a business friendly way.
Further, Murdoch is a China wh@re. He limits all negative press about the appalling human rights abuses, environmental destruction and corrupt business activities creeping all over the globe from the monster that is China. All so that he gets a foot in the media over there. So basically he is a inhumane monster.
This guy has done so much damage to the globe through manipulated press.
Enemy of the the human race as far as I can see.
Should be lanced like a wart.

 

[Julia]

I wonder if all of you above would be quite so distraught about what you suggest is the unreasonable power of Rupert Murdoch if his views were politically in line with your own, rather than largely opposed to them?

I doubt it very much.

 

[Knobby22]

I wonder if all of you above would be quite so distraught about what you suggest is the unreasonable power of Rupert Murdoch if his views were politically in line with your own, rather than largely opposed to them?

I doubt it very much.

I usually vote Liberal. I voted Liberal in the last state election.
What is your opinion rather than making bold statements?

Do you think its right that Rudd went cap in hand to him? Do you think its right that he backed New Labour in Britain until recently? Do you think the statements above are wrong?

 

[Julia]

Your consistent political stance on federal matters largely seems to support the Labor agenda.

What you voted for in the State election is not necessarily a mirror of your voting federally so I don't quite see the point of your declaration here.

I voted Labor in the last State election but for completely different reasons to those which determined my federal vote.

I don't have an opinion about the current News Ltd situation, simply because I don't know enough about it, and am disinclined to pursue such a grubby topic.

That doesn't mean, however, that I don't find it quite offensive for anyone to paint all journalists, whatever organisation they work for, as being automatically guilty of inappropriate behaviour.

And maybe, Knobby, you'd actually care to respond to my earlier suggestion, i.e. that perhaps you'd feel less upset about the possible influence of Mr Murdoch, if he were more supportive of the agenda that matters to you.
No obligation to reply, of course.

I do also wonder why it was necessary to start an additional thread when there is already one on this subject?

 

[notting]

I'm a swing voter!!!!!:

Swing voters tend to consider and think not just voting becauser mum and dad voted that way etc.

I often vote against my own wallet if I genuinely think it's better for all in general.

Murdoch's political views don't seem to have changed much in 40 years! Some things he sais I agree with but his activities should appall any democratic thinking person.

The people who vote along his agenda often do so without realising how blinkered their decision has been.

Perhaps your one of them.

 

[Julia]

Perhaps your one of them.

And perhaps I'm not. It's not a judgment you are in any position to make.
I am not taking any stand of support or otherwise in this situation for reasons I have already stated.

I'm simply objecting to previously expressed stupid and irrational suggestions that every journalist employed at any time by News is corrupt.

And, notting, it's "you're", not "your" above, i.e. the word you, um, meant to use is an abbreviation of "you are". Hope that helps.

 

[Knobby22]

Your consistent political stance on federal matters largely seems to support the Labor agenda.

What you voted for in the State election is not necessarily a mirror of your voting federally so I don't quite see the point of your declaration here.

I voted Labor in the last State election but for completely different reasons to those which determined my federal vote.

I don't have an opinion about the current News Ltd situation, simply because I don't know enough about it, and am disinclined to pursue such a grubby topic.

That doesn't mean, however, that I don't find it quite offensive for anyone to paint all journalists, whatever organisation they work for, as being automatically guilty of inappropriate behaviour.

And maybe, Knobby, you'd actually care to respond to my earlier suggestion, i.e. that perhaps you'd feel less upset about the possible influence of Mr Murdoch, if he were more supportive of the agenda that matters to you.
No obligation to reply, of course.

I do also wonder why it was necessary to start an additional thread when there is already one on this subject?

No, I hate the left agendas more than the right. I voted for Howard. I don't like
I just find his power despicable and a blight on our democracy (and the USAs and GBRs)
But you see differently? Is he a force for good in your mind?

By the way waving the red flag is so shock jock and I find it insulting. And saying you are not following the story when I know you (as am I) follow the news closely is a cop out. And saying I am attacking local journalists is also a cop out. I am attacking Murdoch and his family.

Your response reminds me of shock jock tactics, avoid the issue and insult the person who rang in.

 

[Julia]

No, I hate the left agendas more than the right. I voted for Howard. I don't like
I just find his power despicable and a blight on our democracy (and the USAs and GBRs)
But you see differently? Is he a force for good in your mind?

By the way waving the red flag is so shock jock and I find it insulting. And saying you are not following the story when I know you (as am I) follow the news closely is a cop out. And saying I am attacking local journalists is also a cop out. I am attacking Murdoch and his family.

Your response reminds me of shock jock tactics, avoid the issue and insult the person who rang in.

If I've misinterpreted your political stance, then I apologise. I simply have no recollection of any pattern of your posts which seem to support the liberal ideology.

It's not for you to disbelieve me when I say I am not following the current scandal about Mr Murdoch's publications. Yes I do follow the news pretty closely, but I'm selective about what I want to know about in any detail. I find what appears to have happened grossly distasteful, but I do not let that influence my assessment of the professionalism or otherwise of local journalists, irrespective of the stable they belong to. Further, I don't actually know anything about the Murdoch family, any more than I know about the proprietors of Fairfax. OK? I can't make it any clearer than that.

Could you please say why you found it necessary to start another thread?

 

[Knobby22]

Could you please say why you found it necessary to start another thread?

This thread was to discuss Murdoch's effect on democracy due to his great power.
The thread heading is not well thought out.

 

[Calliope]

No, I hate the left agendas more than the right. I voted for Howard.

Who are you kidding?

I just find his power despicable and a blight on our democracy (and the USAs and GBRs)

I feel the same way about Gillard and Brown. And don't say Gillard was democratically elected. She was elected on a lie and bribed the independents to usurp power. The evil power of Gillard is a worry.
And what's a GBR?

By the way waving the red flag is so shock jock and I find it insulting.

Rubbish. You said "unfortunately we don't have a paper like the Guardian." They have always waved the red flag.

 

[Knobby22]

Who are you kidding?

I feel the same way about Gillard and Brown. And don't say Gillard was democratically elected. She was elected on a lie and bribed the independents to usurp power. The evil power of Gillard is a worry.
And what's a GBR?


Rubbish. You said "unfortunately we don't have a paper like the Guardian." They have always waved the red flag.

OK , good answers but I DID vote for Howard, 3 times. GBR is Great Britain,
So you think Murdoch's unelected power is a force for good?

 

[notting]

I have the ability to spell the same word three different ways on the same page.
when it comes to apostrophes and all that I haven't got a clue.
So it will not help! But I appreciate your impute.
You will c many examples.
I don't c where any polical slant came in.
I only mentioned Murdochs blatant one. Should the appostrophe be in front of Murdochs s or after it?
I'll forget by the time I next come to use it even if you tell me. But do if you wish.
Gillard had to back flip on the carbon tax because she had to make a deal with the greens to get power.
The independents saga that followed the poll results and irrelevant circus, we all new the deal would be done otherwise it would be back to the pols and none of the independents wanted that. Kata could stay out of it because he new the other two were going with labour so he could keep his seat and save face at the same time.Gillard and brown don't control media empires.

 

[wayneL]

OK , good answers but I DID vote for Howard, 3 times. GBR is Great Britain,
So you think Murdoch's unelected power is a force for good?

I'd be happy to see him hung drawn and quartered, but Murdoch's "power" has been less harmful than Gordon Brown's... looks like Julia is changing the face of Australia for the worse too.

BTW, do you think the Fabian Society's unelected power is a force for the good?

 

[Calliope]

OK , good answers but I DID vote for Howard, 3 times. GBR is Great Britain,
So you think Murdoch's unelected power is a force for good?

I googled GBR and got Great Barrier Reef

I have no doubt the man is evil.

 

[Knobby22]

I'd be happy to see him hung drawn and quartered, but Murdoch's "power" has been less harmful than Gordon Brown's... looks like Julia is changing the face of Australia for the worse too.

BTW, do you think the Fabian Society's unelected power is a force for the good?

Well Gordon Brown and Tony behind him got in with Murdochs influence. He was backing them in those days.

I don't know anyone in the Fabien society but everyone is allowed their opinion. I suppose everyone in the ABC is in it and regular meetings under the moonlight with secret handshakes, dead goats and sex everywhere?? Hmm if so tell me where its happening. Do you think Virginia Trioli will be there??

I believe in everyone having their opinion, not one man's paid for opinion.

 

[wayneL]

Well Gordon Brown and Tony behind him got in with Murdochs influence. He was backing them in those days.

I don't know anyone in the Fabien society but everyone is allowed their opinion. I suppose everyone in the ABC is in it and regular meetings under the moonlight with secret handshakes, dead goats and sex everywhere?? Hmm if so tell me where its happening.

You didn't answer my question... no, a straw man argument is not an answer.

 

[IFocus]

Well Gordon Brown and Tony behind him got in with Murdochs influence. He was backing them in those days.

I don't know anyone in the Fabien society but everyone is allowed their opinion. I suppose everyone in the ABC is in it and regular meetings under the moonlight with secret handshakes, dead goats and sex everywhere?? Hmm if so tell me where its happening. Do you think Virginia Trioli will be there??

I believe in everyone having their opinion, not one man's paid for opinion.

Strewth Knobby now everyone is going to want to turn up at the next meeting.......

Also great to see the coverage the Australian is giving to the issue.................

 

[Knobby22]

You didn't answer my question... no, a straw man argument is not an answer.

Well I don't think they really exists, the society I mean. I'm sure there is a place somewhere in the world where some old men get together but no I don't think it exists as a force.

If you mean socialist forces such as the Greens and further left then they definitely do exist, as do far right forces such as the Nichols society. I think they should be allowed the freedom to communicate but I don't think they have much power that is unelected (the greens are wielding power through controling the senate but that is elected) but maybe you need to open my eyes.