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boofhead said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/s...eed-breakthrough/story-e6frfro0-1226062824273

Definately worth a read. Basically Jones is flapping his jaws about a laser transmission record and how it renders NBN outdated. Abbot should read about it. Seems neither understand it.
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Laser is still concentrated light transmission, to be able to deliver it to the required receptor still requires optical fibre. The speed of light is still the fastest medium we have and the N.B.N is the best way of delivering it.
The reason I am against it is, it should be focused to consumers that require it e.g government, large business and anyone that requires rapid large data movements.
Focusing the roll out would cost a fraction of what the government is proposing. The remainder of the estimated $40billion could be used for NATION Building rather than suspect voter building.
Therein lies the problem for Gillard, she has picked up a lemon from Rudd, who picked up the idea from someone with a vested interest(probably from the union power base).
The problem now is they have alighned their future to the benefits of faster internet, which a lot of people won't see any benefit from because when you only surf like most users and are limited by the speeds of the sites they are visiting.
Against that is the missed opportunity to spend money on something that could fill the gap when mining jobs dry up.
I feel a bit sorry for Julia because she was the only one that could be put in the breach when Rudd had to be thrown out. But she has still got the same uriah heep (pun)
 
The report is Labor's hard sell to show how the NBN can be used for far more than downloading movies and playing games.

It says high-speed and reliable broadband will change the way people do their job and sets a target to have 12 per cent of people tele-working by the end of the decade.

The Government believes the NBN will provide the confidence for workers and bosses to increase workplace flexibility. An increase in the number of people who spend half their week working from home would be worth between $1.4 billion and $1.9 billion a year and would cut peak hour traffic by 5 per cent, save 120 million litres of fuel and 320,000 tonnes of carbon.
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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/w...nt/story-e6frfro0-1226066044247#ixzz0pUV9JEr2

Just LOL at this one. Where do the get this tripe from?
 
wayneL said:
And if this is so, why can't this happen now? :confused:
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You got me? How will a shiny blue cable with blindingly fast upload/download make this any different? Not sure if Australia is ready for 12 percent of the workforce to stay at home and tap away at the keyboard?? Productivity for one would go down the toilet.
 
trainspotter said:
You got me? How will a shiny blue cable with blindingly fast upload/download make this any different? Not sure if Australia is ready for 12 percent of the workforce to stay at home and tap away at the keyboard?? Productivity for one would go down the toilet.
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Modern businesses running KPI's, responsibilities and accountability do it to death these days there is absolutely no escape, don't deliver they sack you, personal experience at a chemical plant in Perth, 350 odd employees about 150 hang off keyboards, if they can get the bandwidth up then quality teleconferencing that works will replace on-site meetings then no need to go to site simple.

One issue I know they do have is running the all the applications on a central servers that go off to 4 sites, bandwidth is a problem and they pay way to much for what they have.

They actually pay for a separate connection to the sites
 
Well my call on it is, Conroy is starting to look a lot more stressed and I guess this is due to incomming data on N.B.N takeup and actual non improvements in end user speeds.
I am looking forward to IFocus feedback when it is rolled out to his company, it sounds like a company that is just gagging for the technology. They will probably power ahead when they get connected, I think not.
 
There was an article in The Australian today that mentioned that the government (meaning us the taxpayers) will assume more of the risk of the NBN rollout so that the companies quoting to build the network can bring their quotes back into line. You may recall that the companies who were accused of gouging a few months ago by Conroy mentioned the excessive risk they had to take on in defence of their quotes.

Well this isn't a zero sum game. If the government takes on more of the risk, then they should be revising their estimates for the total cost of the project upwards. But nothing has been said in that respect.
 
trainspotter said:
You got me? How will a shiny blue cable with blindingly fast upload/download make this any different? Not sure if Australia is ready for 12 percent of the workforce to stay at home and tap away at the keyboard?? Productivity for one would go down the toilet.
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Jeez that 12%, will probably be the 12% of retail workers that end up unemployed.
I can't wait to see a brickie building a house on the N.B.N, Or maybe you can just go into a shop and talk to the assistant on webcam and skype, then they can jump in the car and come down to wrap your purchase for you. The kids can stay home and talk to the teachers on skype, shame we just built all the new tuck shops we won't need them.
Yes you will be able to take your high speed laptop to the switchboard and an electrician will be able to talk you through installing a new electrical cct.
Yes I can see a huge carbon reduction with everyone sitting at home on the computer doing everything. It will take all the cars of the road, imagine the savings, fantastic, good on you Conroy and Gillard.
 
sptrawler said:
...Yes I can see a huge carbon reduction with everyone sitting at home on the computer doing everything....
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Even that will need power. When that's too expensive, how does Conroy expect us to use the internet at all...perhaps he is thinking of pedal power or, if it's windy enough, we could have a windmill in the back yard...lol.
 
It's going to be interesting to see how long it is before the government has to intervene to force people to take it up?
If they don't, it will interesting to see how long before there is a public outcry about the waste of money.
 
Is this thing dead yet?

Can anybody quote any labor project that they have taken up since they were last elected, that was actually good, or at least not outright destructive?
 
sptrawler said:
It's going to be interesting to see how long it is before the government has to intervene to force people to take it up?
If they don't, it will interesting to see how long before there is a public outcry about the waste of money.
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Force them...you gota be kidding?

Im moving house again and have rented in a suburb 15 Km from Sydney CBD and my local exchange only has 3 providers with DSL2, Telstra, Iinet and TPG...Telstra is 100 bucks a month, IInet is full (DSLAM at capacity) so that leaves me with crappy and cheap TPG :banghead: with NBN this just wouldn't happen.

Any idiot that seriously thinks everything is great with internet in Australia...really has no freeking idea. :mad:
 
noco said:
Gillard, Conroy and Windsor made a big deal out the NBN connection in Armidale today with just 7 connections out of about 2500 houses.
Would it not be reasonable to expect that the people of Armidale would have known about this for weeks ahead and Gillard can only get 7 connections on opening day and I believe some of those were on trial only.
If they had half a brain, their priority should have been in a more populas zone that would have brought them in some revenue or was it just to appease Windsor in order for Gillard to receive his continued support.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ments/everybody_in_armidale_means_just_seven/
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I go away for a few months and look what happens. We have Andrew Bolt being quoted like he's some sort of objective, facts-based journalist and more anti-NBN spin than you can poke a stick at.

Let's get a few things straight, shall we:

Armidale was chosen as a site long before the last election. It was announced 6 months before, to be precise. Therefore, any suggestion that it was some sort of sweetheart deal with Windsor is demonstrably false.

Next, all of these 1st release sites (Armidale and Kiama NSW, Townsville QLD, Willunga SA and Brunswick VIC) were chosen as the represent the types of areas that NBN will have to install to when the rollout gets into full swing. They are being used to test contractors (each site had a different one), aerial and underground deployment techniques, pit and pipe suitability, backhaul and backend requirements etc.

There is nothing like the NBN operating in Australia, and the suggestion that it be rolled out in cities as a first step is ridiculous. The whole idea of testing outside cities is to ensure that the rollout is down-pat before moving into the heavily populated areas.

Calling for a metro-lead rollout also ignores one of the whole points of doing the NBN: To improve the network across the country. Most cities already have networks far superior to outer suburbs and regions. Some have cable, and most have assorted providers of ADSL2+. Outside the cities, there's no cable and almost zero ADSL2+ competition. Expect these areas to continue to be prioritised as the rollout progresses.

Also note that politically, the 5 test sites are in 2 Labor seats, 2 Coalition seats and 1 Independent seat.


Next, the BS going on about Armidale only having 7 connected customers....

Well DUH. Again, that's the whole point. They are testing the network, and gradually ramping up connections so they can verify their systems and those of the RSPs. RSPs are only permitted to connect a few customers each week in Armidale until the trial finishes in September/October. These trial customers aren't paying for a service, but they must retain their existing ADSL service for the duration of the trial.

NBN have said that they will deliberately be introducing faults into the systems during the trial period, to test response and recovery systems.
 
sptrawler said:
Does anyone have any upto date figures of how many more people have connected to the N.B.N in the Tassie pilot areas?
By now the locals should be generating a normal trend especialy with the publicity.
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As of the first week of May, there were 723 connections in Tassie, of 4,000 passed premises, which equates to an 18% takeup after 9 months of availability.

To put that into perspective, when ADSL was rolled out in 2000-2002, by the end of 2002 there was just 3% takeup across Australia despite it being available at 86% of premises.

In Tassie though, there is still only 4 ISPs offering services. There are no migration plans (ie if you have an ADSL contract, you're stuck with it). Telstra have only connected 100 trial customers, and will not connect any more until they are done testing. Optus aren't participating at all until they start up on the mainland, and neither are TPG.

There is also no phone service over the NBN in Tassie yet, so if you want to keep your phone number you need to keep the copper until the phone systems are online.
 
So_Cynical said:
Im moving house again and have rented in a suburb 15 Km from Sydney CBD and my local exchange only has 3 providers with DSL2, Telstra, Iinet and TPG...Telstra is 100 bucks a month, IInet is full (DSLAM at capacity) so that leaves me with crappy and cheap TPG :banghead: with NBN this just wouldn't happen.

Any idiot that seriously thinks everything is great with internet in Australia...really has no freeking idea. :mad:
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I think that you've been taken for a ride mate.

Tesltra, $100 a month for ADSL2? Yeah right....And why do you need ADSL2, what is wrong with vanilla ADSL? http://go.bigpond.com/broadband/69-plan/

IInet, DSLAM, what's wrong with that?
http://www.iinet.net.au/broadband/plans.html

TPG, good plans and a fair few of my mates use TPG for the generous download limits. Even with TPG ADSL2+ ($29.00) and line rental, it's under $55 per month
http://www.tpg.com.au/products_services/adsl2plus_pricing.php

I use Internode in Sydney (which l think is DSLAM too) and haven't had any problems. My speed has also been recorded throughout this forum, pretty fast.

I'm in Budapest right now and here is the speed l'm getting (through WiFi). Cost is bundled with home line, broadband and pay-tv = $76 per month, that's expensive over here.

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I see we have our NBN Champion back with us after his sabbatical at Camp Conroy.

The Australian understands the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy is looking to recruit about a dozen "NBN champions" who would be conscripted to publicly spruik the benefits of the Gillard government's $36bn wholesale fibre network, if a yet-to-be-revealed communications strategy gets the green light.

Tim Flannery, who earns a salary of $180,000 for three days a week as the Prime Minister's chief climate change commissioner, is one of several high-profile names already identified by the department on an unpublished short-list of potential candidates.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...irby-to-sell-nbn/story-fn59niix-1226044689325

In response to NBNMyths post about country installation prior to city due to "down pat" control mechanisms beggars belief !!!!!!!

There is nothing like the NBN operating in Australia, and the suggestion that it be rolled out in cities as a first step is ridiculous. The whole idea of testing outside cities is to ensure that the rollout is down-pat before moving into the heavily populated areas.
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Would it not be better to run through CBD first as well as outer lying suburbs (including schools) FIRST because then the "down pat" issues can be tested on a much broader spectrum of business's, homes, demographics, schools, people at a FRACTION of the cost ???????????????? Once proven that it is all tickety boo in shiny blue cable land THEN release it to the great unwashed masses in the country areas who can watch pr0n and play games faster. :banghead:
 
trainspotter said:
I see we have our NBN Champion back with us after his sabbatical at Camp Conroy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...irby-to-sell-nbn/story-fn59niix-1226044689325

In response to NBNMyths post about country installation prior to city due to "down pat" control mechanisms beggars belief !!!!!!!

Would it not be better to run through CBD first as well as outer lying suburbs (including schools) FIRST because then the "down pat" issues can be tested on a much broader spectrum of business's, homes, demographics, schools, people at a FRACTION of the cost ???????????????? Once proven that it is all tickety boo in shiny blue cable land THEN release it to the great unwashed masses in the country areas who can watch pr0n and play games faster. :banghead:
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Couldn't you find a more recent list of who the actual broadband champions are, rather than an old (and innaccurate - fancy that) article from the Oz?

Here, let me help:
http://www.nbn.gov.au/media-centre/broadband-champions/

Funny, I don't see Flannery or Kirby on there.....

How on earth does testing in a regional centre begger belief? It's basic common sense when you're rolling out a network across the country that you have trial sites that include the topographies and conditions that will exist throughout the rollout.

Armidale is a major regional centre, got the highest opt-in rate and will probably get one of the highest takeup rates of anywhere in the country, especially given that it's a university town. It is an absolutely perfect choice for a test site. The other rural test site of Willunga in SA also got a ~90% opt-in rate.

There is a inner-suburban area being tested (Brunswick in VIC), and surprise surprise, it has the lowest opt-in rate of any of the test sites. So much for your theory.

It is the rural and regional areas who currently have the worst and most expensive services. If I had my way, the cities that already have access to HFC cable would be the last areas to be covered in the rollout. Unfortunately, that probably won't be the case.

Now would you like to argue the NBN based on any factual information, or just stick to your fantasy spin? I'm sure Alan Jones can fill you in about the latest advances in frikkin laaaasssserrrrs that will make the NBN obsolete, and LOLbolt can do the same about da wireless.
 

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