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drsmith said:
What, if after recent damage to the furniture at the house of Liberal, Labor does not lift significantly in the polls ?

That will be even more interesting.
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Yes, it will indeed.

Maybe - instead of taking totally for granted their superior position - the Coalition should give some thought to what their plan should be if (a) the Malaysia Solution actually works, and (b) the carbon tax does happen and the average Australian is - as promised by the government - no worse off financially?

I doubt most people (other than the Greens) have a passionate feeling about a carbon tax in any other sense than that it's going to further threaten their already vulnerable financial position. So if they're suitably bribed with their own taxpayer dollars (the illogic of it is breathtaking) then are they going to really care?

I'd just like to know if the Libs/Nats have developed some sort of back up plan for the scenario when maybe their three-word slogans are no longer going to cut it.
 
drsmith said:
What, if after recent damage to the furniture at the house of Liberal, Labor does not lift significantly in the polls ?

That will be even more interesting.
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I think we will observe a minor lift for Gillard, but it will be short lived once things settle down with the Abbott/Turnbull scuffle.

As I mentioned in another post, Abbott should call Turnbull's bluff and seek a ballot for the Liberal leadership. I believe Abbott would win it hands down and it would then give Abbott the opportunity to reshuffle his shadow cabinet.

If he does not take this action there will outcsats, including the Labor Party, who will keep stirring the pot. Do it and he will put the GENIE back in the bottle and regain the strength of leadership of his party.. Leave it too long and Abbott will be weakened.

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Oh dear Wonderland is really in trouble....

Just a bunch of ramble really

Anger poisons Abbott's ranks

TONY ABBOTT'S treatment of his leadership rival Malcolm Turnbull has backfired so badly that he has enraged frontbenchers and created a bitter split in the Liberal Party's senior ranks.

Several Liberals have expressed their hostility and one senior figure told The Sun-Herald that Mr Abbott's relationship with his shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey, and Mr Turnbull could now only be seen as ''poisonous in every way''.
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Well well well tisk tisk

But The Sun-Herald can reveal a parliamentary steward ferried the draft version of the email to Mr Abbott before the end of question time. The remaining members of the leadership group - Mr Pyne, Mr Hockey and Ms Bishop - quickly became aware of its contents. Mr Pyne and Mr Abbott examined the document before Mr Abbott walked the piece of paper to his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, who was seated in the Opposition Leader's adviser's box.
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Abbottliar?

Mr Abbott has refused to confirm whether he authorised the email but has defended its message, saying it was ''not about any particular individual''.
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Wheels falling of for Abbott

Mr Hockey also took Mr Abbott to task over the party's need to ''stand for something'' and deliver firm and clear policy outlines.

The tensions deepened when it was revealed that party elder and factional hard man Nick Minchin had criticised Mr Abbott's ''small target'' strategy, urging him to adopt strong policy positions rather than play populist politics.
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Natives getting restless

It is understood there are a number of backbenchers who are furious about Mr Abbott's continuing refusal to promote from the younger ranks.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/anger-poisons-abbotts-ranks-20110528-1fa0u.html#ixzz1NjugS3kT
 
While the Liberals have some freshly disturbed furniture, there's a fire in every room of the house of ALP.
 
IFocus, labor and the media are clearly making this a storm in a teacup but, it seems, that you are so focused on labor propaganda that you just do the "polly wants a cracker" thing as you simply repeat the propaganda of the day.

Rudd has regularly upset labor, and we have read of labor MPs being furious over decisions made by Gillard and cabinet is only informed hours before her decisions are released to the public. And yet we don't hear of labor being in tatters. It could well be in worse tatters than we know as labor MPs are generally silenced.

The only difference between Turnbull and Rudd is that Rudd is most likely paid off with taxpayer dollars (in the form of huge travel costs and billions to throw away in a seeming bid to get himself on the UN). Libs don't have tax funded silence money, so they have to ride this through.

Turnbull is clearly showing his true colours and, imo, he doesn't belong in the liberal camp. I would think he is more than likely damaging any possibility of him ever leading the Libs.
 
sails said:
IFocus, labor and the media are clearly making this a storm in a teacup but, it seems, that you are so focused on labor propaganda that you just do the "polly wants a cracker" thing as you simply repeat the propaganda of the day.

Rudd has regularly upset labor, and we have read of labor MPs being furious over decisions made by Gillard and cabinet is only informed hours before her decisions are released to the public. And yet we don't hear of labor being in tatters. It could well be in worse tatters than we know as labor MPs are generally silenced.

The only difference between Turnbull and Rudd is that Rudd is most likely paid off with taxpayer dollars (in the form of huge travel costs and billions to throw away in a seeming bid to get himself on the UN). Libs don't have tax funded silence money, so they have to ride this through.

Turnbull is clearly showing his true colours and, imo, he doesn't belong in the liberal camp. I would think he is more than likely damaging any possibility of him ever leading the Libs.
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Sails Malcolm is worth over a reportedly $100 mil and drives a Bentley, merc, any other model car he wants he ain't Labor never will be.

Abbott has a $700,000 mortgage and needs the top job and will do any thing to get it he actually needs the money that ain't Liberal.
 
Forgot to put this bit in the other day Nick Minchin is in line to stick the boot in apparently Nicks getting sick of the 3 worded slogans to and he picked the guy.

The Herald also reported that the senior conservative Nick Minchin accused Mr Abbott of putting populism before good policy in a debate over whether to support a bill to phase in an excise increase on clean fuels. The Coalition has said it will oppose the bill, but it is expected to pass.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/stop...es-poll-hit-20110529-1fazh.html#ixzz1NmlMdOw1
 
IFocus said:
Sails Malcolm is worth over a reportedly $100 mil and drives a Bentley, merc, any other model car he wants he ain't Labor never will be.

Abbott has a $700,000 mortgage and needs the top job and will do any thing to get it he actually needs the money that ain't Liberal.
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What? LOLOL

And how much was/is Keating worth? How about Bob Hawke? How about those corporate cowboys in the WA Inc. days who openly supported that subsequently incarcerated criminal Labor premier Burke the jerk? How much were they worth?

And needing money to maintain a particular lifestyle and aspiring to a better job isn't liberal? You mean the poor schmuck next door who's studying at uni as a mature student to get a better job isn't allowed to be a Liberal?

WTF?

Orwell would be proud of you. :rolleyes:

IFocus said:
...now you sound a bit like an old grump.
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BTW, thanks for that observation. I will try to point out hypocrisy, fuzzy thinking and other such logical fallacies far more cheerfully from now on. :silly:

:band:
 
IFocus said:
Forgot to put this bit in the other day Nick Minchin is in line to stick the boot in apparently Nicks getting sick of the 3 worded slogans to and he picked the guy.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/stop...es-poll-hit-20110529-1fazh.html#ixzz1NmlMdOw1
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Well IFocus, I suppose we could make a comparison with Martin Ferguson and Anna Bligh, both Labor Party stalwarts, who are protecting the coal mining in Austarlia as opposed to Gillard and her coalition partner Bob Brown (THE WATER MELON MAN) wanting to close down the coal mining industry.
We have to rely on coal for cheap base load power. Something that can never be acheived by solar or wind.
 
Sorry, can't resist this to put the boot back on the foot where it belongs...:D:

IFocus said:
Oh dear Wonderland is really in trouble....
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You must be referring to labor. Polls show the people are not happy and Abbott is gaining ground.

Just a bunch of ramble really
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Yes, Gillard has become famous for rambling. I listened to her reply to a simple question from Julie Bishop that required a simple "yes" or "no" answer. So she goes on on a massive ramble without answering the question. When Julie Bishop asked her a second time - off she went on another ramble. Apparently won't deny that the UN will get 10% of her pet carbon tax. Gillard is painful to listen to due too the incessant rambling and droning, patronising voice.

Anger poisons Abbott's ranks
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And Labor MPs are happy? I believe they have been silenced...lol. They have run to the media in the past and not happy with their dictatorial leader making decisions without consultation with cabinet. Links have been provided on all this.

Well well well tisk tisk
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Absolutely tisk, tisk. Getting multi millionaires to sell the carbon tax to Aussie working families. Well, well, how stupid...lol


Abbottliar?
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Really? Let me suggest you get a piece of paper, draw a line down the middle to make two columns. Then write down the lies Abbott has told and the almost uncountable lies told by Gillard. And don't forget the awful blatant lie that there would be no carbon tax. Gillard has liar in her name. How she can sleep at night with the deception to the Aussie people is unbelievable.


Wheels falling of for Abbott
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Oh really? One upset with Turnbull that was probably encouraged by labor anyway. Interesting that Turnbull timed this when Abbott actually passed Gillard as preferred PM. It's what labor want, but Gillard had better check her own wheels because I think her wheels have long gone...



Natives getting restless
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Yeah, you are right. The polls are showing increasing dissatisfaction with labor and I suspect the majority would like a new election.

Have a nice day and next time remember to put the boot on the correct foot...:)
 
wayneL said:
What? LOLOL

And how much was/is Keating worth? How about Bob Hawke? How about those corporate cowboys in the WA Inc. days who openly supported that subsequently incarcerated criminal Labor premier Burke the jerk? How much were they worth?

And needing money to maintain a particular lifestyle and aspiring to a better job isn't liberal? You mean the poor schmuck next door who's studying at uni as a mature student to get a better job isn't allowed to be a Liberal?

WTF?

Orwell would be proud of you. :rolleyes:



BTW, thanks for that observation. I will try to point out hypocrisy, fuzzy thinking and other such logical fallacies far more cheerfully from now on. :silly:

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Don't remember the names you quote being worth $100 mil before they entered politics do you? WTF :rolleyes:

Burke sure as hell tried to be worth $100 mil while he was in politics though.
 
IFocus said:
Don't remember the names you quote being worth $100 mil before they entered politics do you? WTF :rolleyes:
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Is that relevant? (It is actually, but for an entirely different reason)

And remind me once again why someone worth a few bob can't be a social democrat?

I suspect Peter Garrett had a few bob to his name before hand as well.

What's the cut off amount for when you're not allowed to be a Labor ploitician by the way?

10,000?
100,000?
1,000,000?
10,000,000?
100,000,000?

Please choose one (or any other figure you think) and explain why this amount precludes social democratic thought.

(cheery cheery :))
 
wayneL said:
Is that relevant? (It is actually, but for an entirely different reason)

And remind me once again why someone worth a few bob can't be a social democrat?

I suspect Peter Garrett had a few bob to his name before hand as well.

What's the cut off amount for when you're not allowed to be a Labor ploitician by the way?

10,000?
100,000?
1,000,000?
10,000,000?
100,000,000?

Please choose one (or any other figure you think) and explain why this amount precludes social democratic thought.

(cheery cheery :))
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I can only say good work for moving on from a grump :)
 
Its really unfair that everyone's got it in for Abbott............bloody hell who's Hewson think he is some sort of reformist?

From the Australian again.......

Former Liberal leader calls for more urgency in the climate debate

FORMER Liberal leader John Hewson has taken a swipe at Tony Abbott, describing him as a "master of the negative" and backing a price on carbon as the best way to tackle climate change.

Dr Hewson lent his name to an advertising blitz in national newspapers today to build support for a carbon price, saying he was an Australian before he was a member of the Liberal Party.

“There is a sense of urgency which is not appreciated in the political debate in Australia. You can't play 24-hour a day politics with an issue of such medium to long-term significance,” he said.

“Tony is the master of the negative. He's found a niche in the political debate. Unfortunately, the debate so far it has just been concentrated on the 24-hour media cycle. And he's winning it. Can't blame him for that.”
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e-climate-debate/story-e6frg6xf-1226065655499
 
IFocus said:
Its really unfair that everyone's got it in for Abbott............bloody hell who's Hewson think he is some sort of reformist?

From the Australian again.......

Former Liberal leader calls for more urgency in the climate debate
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Is there a conflict of interest here for Hewson? Does he have interests that could gain significantly if carbon tax is forced on to us?

Hmmmm...

Dr Hewson who has spent his time since politics in a string of sustainable policy and business ventures said Australia needed an emissions trading scheme, and an authority along the lines of the Reserve Bank of Australia to auction permits and collect revenue from the sale of permits and allocate it, rather than hand funds to the government.
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Source: http://anyfy.livejournal.com/5625.html
 
moXJO said:
Lol the guy that doesn't know how much stuff costs.
Still a bit cranky that he got arsed for Howard.
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Malcolm Fraser's there too. Perhaps he sees the carbon tax as his road to immortality.

Has anyone thought to ask John Hewson how much a carbon tax adds to the cost of a birthday cake ?
 

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moXJO said:
Lol the guy that doesn't know how much stuff costs.
Still a bit cranky that he got arsed for Howard.
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Hewson and Malcolm do share some similarities in proving that intelligence and principles have no place in politics if you want to be PM.
 
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