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explod said:
Well I like to think we are having a big influence on running the country.
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If by "we" you mean the Greens, well you are having a big influence on running the country. From 1st July every time Bob Brown says "jump" Julia will say "how high?".
 
=wayneL

While it is is (very) fair comment in criticism of Tone's reply, your use of it to try to score some cheap political point here is a monumental hypocrisy
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I do actually agree with you in this.
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Why? Because it is probably a verbatim facsimile of a Labor opposition leader reply to the same situation.
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So what, why the difference?

It does spell a tone of bias in my view. Of course not exonerating myself either, love Bob Brown, and that is because wether anyone likes him or not he calls things as he sees them and does not add spin to fit others.
 
explod said:
Of course not exonerating myself either, love Bob Brown, and that is because wether anyone likes him or not he calls things as he sees them and does not add spin to fit others.
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Oh Lord, explod. I can't believe you're taken in by Bob Brown's smiling, oh so reasonable, unruffled countenance!
Does not add spin? He doesn't know anything other than spin?
How about just a few costings for your policies, Bob Brown?
He gets very rattled when any journalist actually dares to ask him to supply any economic basis for what he suggests.

If you're so fond of Bob Brown, hope you'll be equally thrilled when we get constant blackouts because the energy companies have closed down as a result of being unprofitable in a carbon tax environment.

Ditto hope you'll be delighted to contemplate your fellow Australians who are already in financial disadvantage who will be unable to afford their electricity in sufficient quantity to keep warm in winter etc etc.

Oh yes, the world of the Greens is just all supa dupa. Forget about any effects on irrelevant human beings. Just follow the religion of dubious climate change zealots.
 
Ross Gittens

Stop crying poor and fix the mess

I don't like using the L-word, but Tony Abbott is setting new lows in the lightness with which he plays with the truth. He blatantly works both sides of the street, nodding happily in the company of climate-change deniers, but in more intellectually respectable company professing belief in human-caused global warming, his commitment to reducing carbon emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 and the efficacy of his no-offence policies.

He grossly exaggerates the costs involved in a carbon tax, telling business audiences they'll have to pay the lot and be destroyed by it, while telling the punters business will pass all the costs on to them. He forgets to mention that most of the proceeds from the tax will be returned as compensation to businesses and households.

He repeats the half-truth that nothing Australians could do by themselves would reduce global emissions, while failing to correct the punters' ignorant belief that Australia is the only country contemplating action. Last week's news that Britain's Conservative coalition government has pledged to cut emissions by half within 15 years is ignored. Economists call this mentality ''free-riding''; the old Australian word for it is ''bludging''.
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This bit has been going on for a while but really high lighted on the interview with Bolt.........

But it's far too easy to blame our failure to face up to climate change just on our hopeless politicians. Our increasingly partisan media have failed to hold Abbott to account over his duplicity.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...ix-the-mess-20110524-1f2e6.html#ixzz1NK0SiN3J
 
Thanks for the laugh, IFocus.

It seems that leftie supporters all have the TAOD (Tony Abbott Obsessive Disease). And now you are posting in large bold letters - even red large bold letters all about Abbott.

The repetitive posts on Abbott get a bit tiring. I can usually guess the content of the post when I see IFocus name before opening the thread...lol

And if Abbott is being such a naughty boy, what about Gillard? What about her latest hare brained idea with Malaysia and now we find out that we might still have to take 4000 of theirs and they might not take any of ours. Now, if Abbott had negotiated such a raw deal, we would have had every post in red and large bold letters repitively for weeks and possibly months.

Maybe just look at your own favoured party and perhaps try to help them sort out their own problems before nit picking the oppositions?

Or why not try to defend your favourite party's bizarre policies? Or is it the latest thing to keep belittling Abbott. That can be a symptom of some mental health diseases - both projection and denigration.

Oh well, never mind...:rolleyes:
 
sails said:
Thanks for the laugh, IFocus.

It seems that leftie supporters all have the TAOD (Tony Abbott Obsessive Disease). And now you are posting in large bold letters - even red large bold letters all about Abbott.
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All this obsessive Abbott posting from ridiculous left wing bloggers smacks of desperation IMO.
 
wayneL said:
All this obsessive Abbott posting from ridiculous left wing bloggers smacks of desperation IMO.
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Totally agree...:D

And I doubt that the silly Abbott posting will do anything whatsoever to help labor. The silent majority are seeing higher power bills each quarter in addition to other essential services. The thought of a carbon tax making that worse will scuttle this labor government easily, imo. Biggest question is how can that happen before this current government do any more damage?
 
wayneL said:
All this obsessive Abbott posting from ridiculous left wing bloggers smacks of desperation IMO.
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Just trying to ballance the pre-ocupation of some who cannot get used to a Women in charge, and worse still in thier little minds the ALP still having control of Parliament.

Get over it, and the Abbott. He does not have the grunt, IMHO :D

Have not forgoten your kind post Julia, will give it full attention tomorrow, visitors at our place this evening, and I really do have to pay attention to both.
 
Calliope said:
And your beloved Bob Brown has a lot of grunt I suppose. Perhaps they could have a grunt-off.:D
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Agree, running out of steam as we all do at a certain stage, but certainly if you think Abbotts up to it I am sure they could have a good grunt away. Though I suppose the cause for grunting could be a problem. The mix of phobias we'd need to get, perhaps, Wain to sort out. Mind boggles.

When GWB attended the joint sittings of Parliament a few years ago Bob was the only grunt of dissent in the room. And as he and most of us believed there were no WOMD.

:)
 
explod said:
Just trying to ballance the pre-ocupation of some who cannot get used to a Women in charge,
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Oh puleeeze. :rolleyes:

Hardly anyone has an issue with the woman thing. Those that do come from both sides.

and worse still in thier little minds the ALP still having control of Parliament.
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So you have to use ad hominem? A bit childish there IMO.

But Non fabian socialists - classical/neoliberals, conservatives and suchlike indeed cannot get used to Labor being in charge. This is natural, the same way fabian socialists can never get used to the Liberals being in charge.

C'est la vie, nothing small minded about it, we want Labor OUT.
 
wayneL said:
Oh puleeeze. :rolleyes:

Hardly anyone has an issue with the woman thing. Those that do come from both sides.....
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I haven't heard much at all about the woman thing. And in anycase, I thought Gillard was a feminist.

Feminism usually means women who want to be seen to be able to have careers that are usually male dominated - so why should her supporters try to use this silly "woman" thing. She either is doing a good job or she isn't. Gender really has nothing to do with it.

And, apart from the continual belittling of Abbott, it seems that conservative opponents then go on the "woman" thing. Sorry, it doesn't cut the mustard. Pretty pathetic, imo. These tactics are simply tiring...:rolleyes:
 
wayneL said:
Intelligent analysis wanted, for and against, not far left wing shilling.
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Calling the SMH and Australian press far left shilling is a fascinating insight.

Feel free to post some intelligent analysis any time..........ooh of the thread tile subject of course not the posters........... for a change, you used to once with wit now you sound a bit like an old grump.
 
wayneL said:
Intelligent analysis wanted, for and against, not far left wing shilling.
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I prefer the Krugerrand myself. Anyhooo ........ life would be dull if we all agreed on the same subject matter at hand. Circlejerks are not my thing I am afraid. What IFocus said.

Meanwhile back at the Ranch ..... Abbott is the current alternative Prime Minister but then again so were Bill Hayden, Andrew Peacock, Alexander Downer, John Hewson, Kim Beazley, Simon Crean, Mark Latham, Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull.

None of them made PM but were great opposition leaders.
 
Both sides of parliament are pretty thin of brain surgeons. Julia is fighting well above her weight and Tony is a brawler, Wayne is a lover not a fighter and Malcolm just wants to be loved by everyone.
On the second line you have all the people carrying too much baggage.
All we can hope is some blocking strategies come into play untill someone comes up with a clear direction to head.
Nobody is instilling confidence for me yet. :confused::confused::confused:
 
explod said:
Just trying to ballance the pre-ocupation of some who cannot get used to a Women in charge, and worse still in thier little minds the ALP still having control of Parliament.
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Oh dear, explod, I'd have given you credit for a more logical interpretation than above.
In fact, you are rather insulting those of us who are so against the government by suggesting it's because such a mindless factor as gender.
Of course it's not.

And a correction: the ALP does not have control of the Parliament. The Greens and Independents do. Without kowtowing to their wishes, the government would cease to exist.

A refreshing note today with Nick Xenophon coming out to say that he believed the carbon tax should be exposed to the view of the people, and therefore postponed until after the next election. Finally, a sensible view.
But I'm a bit unsure about how much influence Mr Xenophon wields: is he outweighed by the Greens and the other Independents?

trainspotter said:
Meanwhile back at the Ranch ..... Abbott is the current alternative Prime Minister but then again so were Bill Hayden, Andrew Peacock, Alexander Downer, John Hewson, Kim Beazley, Simon Crean, Mark Latham, Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull.

None of them made PM but were great opposition leaders.
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So true. Tony Abbott's brawling attack style is winning him points at present, but I think much of the electorate is unsure about how this would translate to actually running the country where quite different qualities are required.
 
'..so why should her supporters try to use this silly "woman" thing..'

Simply put, they're running out of alternatives. Borrowing from the old saying, like patriotism, the last refuge..

And we need more Nick Xenophons. He has pretty sensible views on many things.
 
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