NBN Rollout Scrapped

[NBNMyths]

My concern for the NBN is that as the Telstra 4G and Voadaphone, Optus et al start delivering faster and faster download speeds over it's wireless networks, the take up rate to residential homes "might" take a solid hit. This will completely stuff the profit forecasting as well as revenue right up the poo shooter.

Yes yes yes as more people use the bandwidth the slower it gets blah blah bloody blah. Average Joe Schmoe in the street doesn't care.

But Average Joe will care if the speeds don't live up to what's promised, and he will also care about the price of the service.

For a Telstra NextG standalone broadband connection (ie: not bundled with a fixed phone), you pay a total of $89.95 per month for 12Gb of data.

For an iiNet standalone NBN connection (at a speed of 25Mbps) you pay a total of $29.95 per month for 20GB of data. Pay another $10 and you get a phoneline as well, and free national/local calls included.

How do you think Average Joe will feel about paying 3 times as much, for just over half the data delivered almost certainly at a lower speed. Is mobility worth that much? And what good is Joe's mobility when he's taken the card with him, and his family is at home with no connection?

Now if I were Average Joe, I'd have an NBN connection/phone (for $40), and a smartphone with a gig or two of data (on a ~$45 plan). Now for a total of $85/month I have fixed line with free calls plus fast fixed broadband plus a mobile phone with data when I need mobility. And I'm getting this for less money than a mobile broadband connection by itself!

I have no doubt that there will be some people who will be mobile-only. But they will be a small, specific minority. Not just because wireless is slower, but also because it's much more expensive.

Ummmmmmmmmm ........ not quite there old ****. NBNMYths flat out accused Slipperz of being a liar about his internet speed that he was obtaining. Slipperz posted a speed test and there was no apology from NBNMyths when he was proven wrong. You really need to keep up old chap. I also notice with NBNMYths when proven wrong it is completely dismissed or overlooked or ignored.

If you look really closely IFocus you will see the cable is BLUE and not BLACK. Oh well ........ I must not have a viable argument as I am getting personal now.

Ummmmm you also wrote this "Fiber is already strung all round the place its not new!" ........ I wont bother correcting the obvious spelling mistake as this would seem pithy. SO ...... where is this fibre "strung all over the place" and what does it do already? Why aren't we utilising the fibre "strung all over the place" and who owns it?

While I remain somewhat sceptical about NextG delivering sustained speeds of 17-19Mbps to anyone, I said I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt. But the real point (even assuming he is getting that speed reliably) is, that the vast majority of people aren't getting anything like it. There's no point promoting an option as viable based on the exception rather than the rule. And the rule is that NextG delivers average speeds to most users of well under 5Mbps:

There is plenty of fibre around, but it's generally either backhaul. There is very little running down suburban streets except for the fibre components of the HFC (hybrid fibre-coaxial)networks. Some new housing estates have had fibre for a while, but it's not "strung up", it's underground.

And it can be black or blue (or any other colour you'd like) depending on the brand:::

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Since I've never been to Townsville, I find it hard to believe that you spoke to me there! Seems this post is as accurate as the first one in this thread! ::..... Which is growing more inaccurate by the day, with the awarding of the Queensland datacentre contract, the announcement last week that NBN has bought spectrum for the 4% rural wireless component, and is close to signing a 4G supplier.

So what is your interest in all this?

You should come north of Moonee Ponds, mate, Australia is not all bitumen.

gg

gg

 

[trainspotter]

ROFL ........ $29.95 per month for the NBN with 20 gig of data! Man you are really going the hard sell on this one. Want a set of steak knives with that? But wait there is more. You are the DEMTEL man I am sure.

Telstra can give you 50Gb of data for $49.95 per month with an existing fixed phone. You say NBN can give me $39.95 witrh 12Gb. How you say it again .... meh.

Why have 500,000 people signed up for the 4g then in the last 6 months? As per your previous post you dismissed this with some crazy analogy about Kmart selling bicyles.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business...challenge-to-nbn/story-e6frg2qu-1226006185345

http://www.smartcompany.com.au/inte...erts-say-fixed-connections-still-crucial.html

Then there the was the reference about how the invention of the telephone is comparable to the NBN?

"Airships are the way of the future" ....... sound familiar? Where are they now ? http://www.airships.net/futurism

I said I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt. But the real point (even assuming he is getting that speed reliably)

You just can't get the grasp of it can you? Would it kill you to say ...... "Whoops, I was wrong on this one now wasn't I. Here I was slagging off about speeds that are not possible (according to you that is) and well GOSH DARNIT there comes along PROOF (Slipperz posting speed test) that what I have said is WRONG.

The you argue over what Malcolm Turnbull said about percentages? Last time I looked 27% is a lot closer to 25 than it is to 30 if you really want to split hairs.

Anyhoooooooooo ......... the shiny blue/black/pink/idontcare cable is snaking across our great brown land faster than Divine Brown went down on Hugh Grant. We will have to wait and see if this is going to be the saviour of our telecommunications nation or whether or not it will be the great white elephant that stamped it's feet that bankrupts this country both politically and financially.

 

[DB008]

Too right we have. The other day it rained up here in the Hunter, no internet for half an hour. Way to go Australia....... Wireless is not a real good long term option for households.

I don't think that you can compare South Korea with population, density, size of country to Australia in terms of rolling out a national infrastructure project like the NBN. That would be like apples and oranges mate.

South Korea;
Land size 100,000 km²
Population 48 million
Density 491 per km²

Australia
Land size 7.6 million km²
Population 22.5 million
Density 2.8 per km²

 

[trainspotter]

"I fear that the ultimate horror show here is that NBN 2.0 collapses in six years time and the only company that is big enough to buy the mess is Telstra. So after $30B+ of tax-payer funds the government of the day offloads this white elephant to Telstra and we are left back in the 1980s completely at the mercy of one fixed line infrastructure owner and a whole bunch of RSPs and regional and remote Australia are screwed over… yet again."

http://www.commsday.com/commsday/?p=1410

Very interesting reading this article.

 

[NBNMyths]

"I fear that the ultimate horror show here is that NBN 2.0 collapses in six years time and the only company that is big enough to buy the mess is Telstra. So after $30B+ of tax-payer funds the government of the day offloads this white elephant to Telstra and we are left back in the 1980s completely at the mercy of one fixed line infrastructure owner and a whole bunch of RSPs and regional and remote Australia are screwed over… yet again."

http://www.commsday.com/commsday/?p=1410

Very interesting reading this article.

It is interesting reading, although the author has been a vocal NBN critic from day 1, and at the time the article was written was part of a consortium trying to get Govt/opposition support for a subsequently announced alternative NBN plan from which he stood to gain. The plan was lacking detail and pretty much mocked by the industry.

Conflict of interest aside, perhaps the biggest issue is that it was written 5 months ago, before the structural separation of Telstra legislation went through, and also before the content of the other NBN legislation was known.

But for the sake of argument, let's say Slattery is right, and "the govt of the day" wants to offload it.

First, Telstra won't be allowed to be a vertically-integrated monopoly once the agreed structural separation deal goes through their shareholders meeting (Which it will, since it's in their interests, has the support of the management, and the Govt can prevent them buying any more wireless spectrum if they don't approve it). So if Telstra were to buy it, it would have to operate like the NBN Co, as a wholesale-only network allowing equal access for any ISP to offer retail services.

Sect 577A of the new Act says: Telstra will not supply fixed‑line carriage services to retail customers in Australia using a telecommunications network over which Telstra is in a position to exercise control

Second, the NBN Companies Bill currently before parliament specifically prevents the NBN being sold UNTIL IT IS COMPLETE. It also mandates that the NBN is wholesale-only. Assuming this bill passes into legislation, for the govt of the day to sell the NBN before completion would require a change in the legislation and therefore approval of the senate. Given the support by Labor, Greens and indies, I think such a change would be unlikely. And a legislative change allowing the new owner to market retail services is even more unlikely, given that it would restore the vertical telecoms monopoly that everyone (even the Libs) now agree is a bad thing.

 

[NBNMyths]

So what is your interest in all this?

You should come north of Moonee Ponds, mate, Australia is not all bitumen.

gg

gg

As I've said, I just back the NBN (or something like it). I think we need it for the future, and I don't want my kids growing up in a country that is decades behind the rest of the developed world, when that world is growing more dependent on the internet every day.

Mooney Ponds?? I live about 11 hours North of there already....And as for dirt roads, I think I could safely say I've driven many more km on dirt over the years than most Australians. In fact, I've never owned a vehicle that isn't a 4WD, and they have all seen more than their share of bulldust (and not from me)...

Unfortunately though, I've never made it all the way up the East coast, Mackay has been my EC limit so far... The best laid plans and all that. Maybe when the kids are old enough I'll get around to it. I'll drop in for a cuppa, and we can discuss shiny/dull blue cable

 

[sinner]

NBN CEO will be at the National ICT forum spruiking his wares. Conroy will be there too.

Anyone interested in attending can register here

http://www.asialink.unimelb.edu.au/calendar/events/featured/national_ict_forum

At the Sidney Meyer building on University of Melbourne Parkville campus.

 

[sails]

No surprises here - just more of the same from labor - from the ABC today:

Tasmania's main business lobby has attacked the rollout of the National Broadband Network (NBN) saying it has been bungled.

More here: Business slams 'bungled' broadband rollout

 

[drsmith]

Cracks ?

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...-report-pd20110321-F6PLL?OpenDocument&src=hp8

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Cracks ?

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...-report-pd20110321-F6PLL?OpenDocument&src=hp8

Julia and Wayne are considering ditching it, my sources tell me.

It needs to be done now, they feel, to let the odour settle before an election next year.

gg

 

[nulla nulla]

Julia and Wayne are considering ditching it, my sources tell me.

It needs to be done now, they feel, to let the odour settle before an election next year.

gg

You reckon this smells more than the Carbon Tax proposal?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

You reckon this smells more than the Carbon Tax proposal?

If the NBN gets up, it will keep the ALP out of government for 2 generations.

Its a barra on a lamp post.

Hung out, smelly, useless and dry.

gg

 

[sails]

...Its a barra on a lamp post.

Hung out, smelly, useless and dry.

gg

Lol - sounds like carbon tax, mining tax, flood levy, border policy (does it still exist?), pink batts, ber, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

All seem to be policies made on the run. With labor MPs not permitted to cross the floor, it raises the question if the usual consultative processes are applied to any new policy which potentially leaves a labor leader free to dream these things up in their sleep and then rush out and call them policy without at least filtering the initial flaws with their own party BEFORE announcing such hare brained schemes.

It seems very likely that it is all about theory and very little about practical application, IMO of course...

 

[tothemax6]

Is it scrapped yet? It doesn't sound particularly scrapped.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Is it scrapped yet? It doesn't sound particularly scrapped.

It's a dead parrot mate.

gg

 

[So_Cynical]

Cracks ?

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...-report-pd20110321-F6PLL?OpenDocument&src=hp8

lol cracks

Its a multi billion dollar project and one of Aust largest and most complex infrastructure builds.

 

[drsmith]

If the NBN gets up, it will keep the ALP out of government for 2 generations.

I'm trying to imagine Tony Abbott as PM for 2 generations.

What's happened to NBNMyths ?

 

[trainspotter]

I'm trying to imagine Tony Abbott as PM for 2 generations.

What's happened to NBNMyths ?

Can't keep up with the bandwidth his website has generated with skeptics from Telstra who are blogging him endlessly. Some dude calling himself "Telecom Engineer" is tearing him a new asshole and pointing out that what is written aint necessarily so. Oh well.

 

[IFocus]

I'm trying to imagine Tony Abbott as PM for 2 generations.

Its easy we will all become Catholics eating bananas using Morse code for communications waiting for him to actually make a decision other than to say no..