NBN Rollout Scrapped

[IFocus]

Disappointing that these places are bypassed even though the shiny blue cable is running down the highway not that far away (according to the article).

Who decided on the 7% to miss out on this nation building exercise?

Why are they putting it above ground to create visual pollution? I thought they were utilising Telstras pits and subterranean network?

If the NBN fibre optic cable is being run in conjunction over the electricity poles does this mean that the fibre optic cable will run along the power cable connecting your house?

Anyone?

Fiber can be directly buried, its actually black.

Fiber is already strung all round the place its not new!

 

[NBNMyths]

This NBN joke is proving to to be just that, another broken promise that is either driven by the greens or influenced by a liberal stronghold (seat of Grey) that they have decided to bypass.

What a farce.

Just goes to show that you can never please everyone.

Some people are complaining that the NBN is too big and expensive, and very few need it.

Now we have other people complaining that it's too small because they are missing out. Imagine the uproar if we extended fibre to 100% of premises, and the cost went to $80bn!

Disappointing that these places are bypassed even though the shiny blue cable is running down the highway not that far away (according to the article).

Who decided on the 7% to miss out on this nation building exercise?

Why are they putting it above ground to create visual pollution? I thought they were utilising Telstras pits and subterranean network?

If the NBN fibre optic cable is being run in conjunction over the electricity poles does this mean that the fibre optic cable will run along the power cable connecting your house?

Anyone?

The method that the 93% was decided is in the NBN business case, and has absolutely nothing to do with who holds what federal seats.

They calculated the population total of every city/town with a population of > about 1000 people. This came to about 90% of Australia's population. They then added every town with a population of >500 where that town was positioned along the path of the NBN backhaul fibre. This took the calculation to 93%.


Most of the NBN cabling is underground. The photo in the article is from the Tasmanian trial sites.

The bus case says that 75% of the rollout will be underground, which is wherever Telstra have existing ducts and pits. So wherver phone lines are above ground, the NBN will be as well. Wherever phone lines are underground, the NBN will be too.

Here's some pics from Brunswick, and here are a few from Kiama where it's mostly UG:

 

[Boggo]

Just goes to show that you can never please everyone.

People are complaining that the NBN is too big and expensive, and very few need it.

Now we have people complaining that it's too small because they are missing out. Imagine the uproar if we extended fibre to 100% of premises, and the cost went to $80bn!

The size is reducing but the cost is staying the same, effectively the first signs of the expected cost blowout that we expect from this temporary regime.

 

[Boggo]

Also it has long been said NBN will use overhead and underground.

Maybe they could just put it through peoples ceilings, they have some experience in that area

 

[tothemax6]

Just goes to show that you can never please everyone.

Some people are complaining that the NBN is too big and expensive, and very few need it.

Now we have other people complaining that it's too small because they are missing out. Imagine the uproar if we extended fibre to 100% of premises, and the cost went to $80bn!

Can NBNMyths please state his position on central-planning versus a free market - i.e. allocating resources by force vs by choice of the individuals involved. These conflicts are automatically resolved in a free-market, since people choose where to put their money via the concept known as "buying". You into that, NBNMyths? This "buying" thing? Or you more into "take your stuff using my guns, and dish it out to whomsoever I want according to my tastes"?
I want an Australian space program and a navy actually capable of fighting with some chance of winning. How about we divert all this NBN money into this? Rather than dealing with our issues with the big, swinging around baton known as 'two party democratic mixed socialism-capitalism', why don't we use the super tight and efficient "men choose what they will do with their own money" system?

FCK the NBN. I might even make this my new signature...

And by the way, I don't think you even get the position of people like me. I would love a fiber in my home. A big juicy fiber spewing data into my home at 1GB/s. Believe me I would use it. But I want to buy this with MY plastic notes. I don't accept the morality of taking those notes from those who don't care if they download at 1TB/s or 1kB/s. I am not a thief, and I consider it a good thing that I am not.
FCK the NBN. FCK the NBN.

 

[Julia]

I kinda presumed they would put it underground.

Common sense and asthetics would see a bit of money being spent on putting power and communications underground.

Storm proof our power and communications services and make our living environment better.

Hanging our critical infrastructure on poles at the mercy of an increasing volatile climate is hardly the optimal solution.

I couldn't agree more. Just think of the grief that would be saved every time there's a storm/cyclone because of power lines being wrecked by falling trees etc.

 

[joea]

I kinda presumed they would put it underground.

Common sense and asthetics would see a bit of money being spent on putting power and communications underground.

Storm proof our power and communications services and make our living environment better.

Hanging our critical infrastructure on poles at the mercy of an increasing volatile climate is hardly the optimal solution.

How Fibre was installed to the home was a debate on how long it lasted as an aerial versus underground.
Underground is a problem(associated with cost of digging up all and sundry) on existing buildings, but not on new ones.

As the fibre is rolled out, I have read that they will not put a splice in, unless they have 1000 subscribers. So all small towns will be bypassed.

We have been compared to South Korea by Conroy.

My son is in Ulsan City South Korea working on a oil and gas project, and his room is fully integrated with high speed broadband, tv, radio. He actually has a little Mac gadget in his pocket, that controls the complete show in his two room apartment.
Incidently the apartment is no cost to him, just food and beer.

So we have a long way to go in Australia.

Cheers

 

[trainspotter]

Rather than accuse do some home work, interesting watching myths using facts and others getting personal rather than than argument using facts.

You know when it gets personal the other side no longer have a viable argument.

Ummmmmmmmmm ........ not quite there old ****. NBNMYths flat out accused Slipperz of being a liar about his internet speed that he was obtaining. Slipperz posted a speed test and there was no apology from NBNMyths when he was proven wrong.

You really need to keep up old chap. I also notice with NBNMYths when proven wrong it is completely dismissed or overlooked or ignored.

Don't get me wrong ..... I am learning a great deal from this government department spreading hyperbole all over ASF. Tis a joy to read.

Thanks to all for the great responses about why the fibre is being strung up with the power lines as well as WHY the smaller towns are missing out on the NBN.

If you look really closely IFocus you will see the cable is BLUE and not BLACK. Oh well ........ I must not have a viable argument as I am getting personal now.

Ummmmm you also wrote this "Fiber is already strung all round the place its not new!" ........ I wont bother correcting the obvious spelling mistake as this would seem pithy. SO ...... where is this fibre "strung all over the place" and what does it do already? Why aren't we utilising the fibre "strung all over the place" and who owns it?

You can't just let rip with these statements without having some facts attached.

 

[trainspotter]

Nice pictures of the shiny blue cable NBNMyths ....... you must be really really really close to this to be able to obtain these kind of piccys????

As well as having such wonderful information to spout out to all and sundry. Pictures, links, unnerving technical information and an air of dismissive arrogance.

C'mon ..... don't be shy ....... you can tell us who you really are and or work for.

 

[Mofra]

I want an Australian space program and a navy actually capable of fighting with some chance of winning. How about we divert all this NBN money into this? Rather than dealing with our issues with the big, swinging around baton known as 'two party democratic mixed socialism-capitalism', why don't we use the super tight and efficient "men choose what they will do with their own money" system?

The Navy? I have no doubt that there is no bigger waste of Australian taxpayer's dollars than many of the programs the Navy undertakes.

All the talk on NBN/Asylum seekers are coming to get us/Building schools/Labor stuff ups are nothing compared to the porkbarrelling gravy train the Navy (and wider ADF) operate under with little/no accountability for funds spent.

 

[NBNMyths]

Nice pictures of the shiny blue cable NBNMyths ....... you must be really really really close to this to be able to obtain these kind of piccys????

As well as having such wonderful information to spout out to all and sundry. Pictures, links, unnerving technical information and an air of dismissive arrogance.

C'mon ..... don't be shy ....... you can tell us who you really are and or work for.

Google is your friend. NBN install pics are from:

http://www.itnews.com.au/Gallery/247703,nbn-co-underground-lead-ins-to-kiama-homes.aspx

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

re NBNMyths

Nice pictures of the shiny blue cable NBNMyths ....... you must be really really really close to this to be able to obtain these kind of piccys????

As well as having such wonderful information to spout out to all and sundry. Pictures, links, unnerving technical information and an air of dismissive arrogance.

C'mon ..... don't be shy ....... you can tell us who you really are and or work for.

I'm pretty sure this guy was up at a NBN Show last year in Townsville, in fact I'm sure I spoke to him at the Aitkenvale Library when the luvvies, lawyers, public servants and doctors wives from Mundingburra were being told they would be getting NBN before the workers.

I may even have a pic from my box brownie.

gg

 

[zzaaxxss3401]

Nice pictures of the shiny blue cable NBNMyths ....... you must be really really really close to this to be able to obtain these kind of piccys????

Not necessarily. When my phone went out last year due to flooding in the pits, the Telstra technician was happy to have a chat - they probably don't have much customer interaction. They just do their job. He apparently averaged around 700km per week fixing faults. He showed me the corroded copper connections and the gel they put up the "bell" cover. So you probably only have to ask... after all, it is tax-payer funded infrastructure after all.

 

[So_Cynical]

While this video is not directly related to the NBN its a great eye opener on the future, watch it and get an understanding of the inevitable and the data needs of the digital future.
~

 

[NBNMyths]

You'll have to excuse me if I suggest you can keep your ideas of true and false to yourself.

I'm not even sure half the babble you keep spouting is the truth.

In fact you probably are lying through your teeth about a lot of this.

Quite happy to back them with references:


Cable premises passed:

Telstra's cable network covers 2.5 million premises. The previous link also explains how the HFC network speed is shared amongst a node of users.

The Optus HFC network covers 2.2 million of the same premises, but Optus say that only 1.4 million of those passed are actually able to be connected to it.

According to the ABS, there were 8.42 million residential premises in Australia in 2006, with a growth of 8.2% over the previous 5 yrs. Assuming statis growth, that now puts us at ~9.2 million premises.

As a %, 2.5m is 27% of 9.2m. In addition to that, we have no idea how many of Telstra's "2.5m passed" premises can actually takeup a connection if they choose to. Given that only 63% of Optus' passed network is connectable, it could actually be far lower than 20% overall who can access the existing cable networks.


Cable network speeds:

Telstra say their cable network offers speeds of up to 30Mbps.

Optus won't give a minimum speed at all. They will only say that "76% of our cable broadband subscribers can access an average of 8Mbps."

That's even worse that I thought! 24% of them can't even get 8Mbps! So much for Turnbull's "100Mbps".


NBN Speed 1Gbps:

See this article. You can also find details of the offering and pricing of the 1Gbps service in the NBN business case. See pages 61, 101 and 103.

 

[NBNMyths]

The size is reducing but the cost is staying the same, effectively the first signs of the expected cost blowout that we expect from this temporary regime.

Actually, the size of the NBN fibre network has been increased, not reduced.

Initially, the NBN was going to provide fibre at 100Mbps to 90% of premises. See this press release from April 2009, when the NBN was announced:
http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2009/022

The KPMG-McKinsey implementation study from 2010 recommended fibre go to 93% of premises as it could be done within the $43bn initial estimate.

The Govt/NBN accepted that recommendation, and so the fibre component was increased to 93%. And it was subsequently announced that the fibre speed would be increased to 1Gbps. The remaining (7%) will receive 12Mbps via wireless or satellite, which is the same speed as originally proposed.

 

[NBNMyths]

re NBNMyths



I'm pretty sure this guy was up at a NBN Show last year in Townsville, in fact I'm sure I spoke to him at the Aitkenvale Library when the luvvies, lawyers, public servants and doctors wives from Mundingburra were being told they would be getting NBN before the workers.

I may even have a pic from my box brownie.

gg

Since I've never been to Townsville, I find it hard to believe that you spoke to me there! Seems this post is as accurate as the first one in this thread! ::..... Which is growing more inaccurate by the day, with the awarding of the Queensland datacentre contract, the announcement last week that NBN has bought spectrum for the 4% rural wireless component, and is close to signing a 4G supplier.

 

[NBNMyths]

Can NBNMyths please state his position on central-planning versus a free market - i.e. allocating resources by force vs by choice of the individuals involved. These conflicts are automatically resolved in a free-market, since people choose where to put their money via the concept known as "buying". You into that, NBNMyths? This "buying" thing? Or you more into "take your stuff using my guns, and dish it out to whomsoever I want according to my tastes"?
I want an Australian space program and a navy actually capable of fighting with some chance of winning. How about we divert all this NBN money into this? Rather than dealing with our issues with the big, swinging around baton known as 'two party democratic mixed socialism-capitalism', why don't we use the super tight and efficient "men choose what they will do with their own money" system?

Well, what if I don't want a Navy? Why should the Government spend billions of MY money on 50-year-old Seasprite helicopters that the US were scrapping?

What if I don't want to contribute to a Pacific Highway, or railway lines, or reticulated water supplies, or a telephone network or an electricity grid?

What if I'm not having any kids, so I don't want my money spent on public education? Or public hospitals?

All of these things have been/are being built by Governments, not by the "free market". They are there because they offer a benefit to society in general. We take all of them for granted as functions of Government.

The NBN is a natural replacement for the ageing copper communications network, which was built by the Government 60 years ago. Why are communications any less of an "essential" Government service than water, electricity, sewer, roads, rail etc?

It's all well and good to say that the "free market" should do everything. A utopian society where there is no cross-subsidy and it's entirely user-pays. You get what you pay for. Nothing more, and nothing less.

Well, a good society doesn't work that way, because it would be a horrible place to live, for most of the residents.

The "free market" would never deliver services outside the major population centres, where the money can be made (witness the HFC rollouts). This would lead to massive disparities in service levels and standards of living the further one moved from the big cities. Even larger disparities in real estate pricing, overcrowding in the cities, and a loss of quality of life for many Australians who can't afford to live where all the decent services are.

 

[Bill M]

My son is in Ulsan City South Korea working on a oil and gas project, and his room is fully integrated with high speed broadband, tv, radio. He actually has a little Mac gadget in his pocket, that controls the complete show in his two room apartment.
Incidently the apartment is no cost to him, just food and beer.

So we have a long way to go in Australia.

Cheers

Too right we have. The other day it rained up here in the Hunter, no internet for half an hour. Way to go Australia....... Wireless is not a real good long term option for households.

I want an Australian space program and a navy actually capable of fighting with some chance of winning. How about we divert all this NBN money into this?

You have got to be kidding me, I wouldn't want my tax dollars going to a mickey mouse Aussie space program and as for the Navy, too much has been wasted there already. Meanwhile we country folk can't get anything but dialup and downtime on wireless, way to go again Australia.

What if I don't want to contribute to a Pacific Highway, or railway lines, or reticulated water supplies, or a telephone network or an electricity grid?

What if I'm not having any kids, so I don't want my money spent on public education? Or public hospitals?

And that's just it isn't it? Many people don't want a lot of things but for the betterment and advancement of the general population we say nothing because the majority will benefit from such programs.

The sooner the NBN is up and running the better.:goodnight Gee I hope it's not raining tomorrow.

 

[Slipperz]

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Telstra-NBN-wireless-India-pd20110224-ED4EF?OpenDocument&src=kgb