NBN Rollout Scrapped

[trainspotter]

A core member of the gang of 5, you have some doubt about his political leanings?

LOLOL .... now that is just hilarious ...... as opposed to Rudd's Gang of Four?

THE Prime Minister and his three most senior ministers form a kitchen cabinet that takes the key decisions.

During the Howard years, Australia was run by the 17 or so men and women in the cabinet. Under the Rudd government, it is effectively run by four.

The dominance of the strategic priorities and budget committee of cabinet - comprising Kevin Rudd, Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard, Treasurer Wayne Swan and Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner - is a key factor in the centralisation of power in the Rudd government.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/the-rudd-gang-of-four/story-e6frg6z6-1225795556696

 

[Julia]

A core member of the gang of 5, you have some doubt about his political leanings?

What a joke: this from someone who so lacks objectivity about his chosen political party that he can never acknowledge a single fault on their part, regardless of all the evidence to the contrary.

 

[Mofra]

What a joke: this from someone who so lacks objectivity about his chosen political party that he can never acknowledge a single fault on their part, regardless of all the evidence to the contrary.

In fairness Julia, that sums up about 90% of ASF; SC merely stands out because he is one of the few lefties posting on a right-wing website.

 

[wayneL]

In fairness Julia, that sums up about 90% of ASF; SC merely stands out because he is one of the few lefties posting on a right-wing website.

Eh?

ASF is not a right wing website, it's a stock investing forum.

SC stands out not because he is a lefty, but because when it comes to politics he is a troll.

 

[Mofra]

ASF is not a right wing website, it's a stock investing forum.

It's more than fair to say that the majority of ASF posters, and therefore website content, would lean to the right hand side of the political spectrum.

Unless, of course, people regard Fox news as "Fair and Balanced"

 

[drsmith]

NBN articles from The Australian must have thinned a little. Pity, I enjoy reading them.

The majority of ASF posters I would suggest do not participate in political discussion on the forum at all.

What percentage of the forum membership actually participate in the political threads ?

It's only us die hards that bang on.

 

[wayneL]

It's more than fair to say that the majority of ASF posters, and therefore website content, would lean to the right hand side of the political spectrum.

I don't think ASF is predominantly right wing at all!

I think there is a good mix occupying both wings that are near enough to the centre, with only a few rabble rowsers from both extremes.

As has been discussed before, left and right is probably redundant anyway (with the exception of a few ideologues.

Myself for instance (who has been accused of being both right of Genghis Kahn and a Pinko Commy bastard in various places) am simply a classical liberal (as in ideology, not Liberal as in the party). This places me both left and right at the same time.

Unless, of course, people regard Fox news as "Fair and Balanced"

I don't think even those on the right would think Fox News as fair and balanced LOL

But it balances out the left wing (as redundant as that term probably is) bias in other media outlets.

The troll probably includes me in the "gang of 5", yet I identify far more with Olbermann than O'Reilly.

 

[Knobby22]

The troll probably includes me in the "gang of 5", yet I identify far more with Olbermann than O'Reilly.

I wouldn't put Wayne in the right wing camp, if you imagine a 2 dimensional plane with a right and left side, Wayne would be off the page up in the air somewhere (in a good way).

I think most posters are free thinking though we have one or two who always seem to argue their political parties line consistently and can never be swayed.
It is a business site so its not surprising there is a little bit of right wing bias.

 

[NBNMyths]

Interestingly the US is going wireless.

I guess they expect the spectrum freed up from tv to be enough?

Three billion on investment in new wireless technologies as well.

And the plan ends up putting money BACK into the budget via spectrum auction.

Provides their emergency services with their own national communications network too.


http://gigaom.com/broadband/obamas-wireless-plan-favors-broadband-over-tv/

If you actually read the US Broadband plan (here), you'll see that the wireless component is a very small part of it, and has been promoted because the US mobile networks are in such a crisis. The US FCC has actually used the phrase "in peril", and industry experts have said that the crisis may lead to the collapse of the networks by 2013.

Unfortunately spectrum is a finite resource, which is why their plan is also heavily focuses on improving their fixed networks to reduce the load on wireless. The plan is littered with incentives for private industry, State and Local Governments to build and improve cable and fibre broadband networks, and includes the objective for 100 million premises to have access to actual download speeds of 100Mbps and actual upload speeds of 50Mbps within 10 years. These two objectives in particular are not possible with any current or proposed wireless network technology.

If you have a read through their plan, you'll find numerous references to freeing up access to pit and pole infrastructure to enable faster and cheaper rollouts of cable and fibre-to-the-home broadband networks.

Oh BTW, I was in the city for Carmen last night and took the opportunity to check my NextG speed. I set a new record of 4.7Mbps download and 115ms ping in my hotel room at The Rocks. It's no fixed connection, but not too bad.

 

[Julia]

I think there is a good mix occupying both wings that are near enough to the centre, with only a few rabble rowsers from both extremes.

That's how I see it also, and the consistent tendency of those that are such total fans of the government to automatically identify anyone who criticises that government as being right wing is irritating and simply wrong.

I'm happy to laud the government when it gets something right. Example is Julia Gillard's rapid response to assisting Christchurch. She acted immediately and her statements of support for New Zealanders amongst this horrific event were measured, reasonable and much more empathic than she managed during the Qld floods.
I've personally felt really grateful for the Australian government's rapid and full support toward NZ when they need it most. So full marks to them for this.

It's the lack of any objectivity amongst a very few devotees in the Labor camp which reduces their credibility.

 

[NBNMyths]

And the plan ends up putting money BACK into the budget via spectrum auction.

I should also add on this point, that we are doing the same thing here. Every time we auction spectrum, it goes back into the budget. The really big example will be the so-called "digital dividend" 700Mhz spectrum which will be freed up in 2015 after the final analogue TV signals are switched off.
http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD..PC/pc=PC_310656

 

[trainspotter]

I do hope I am part of the "rabble rowsers" (rouser is the correct spelling BTW) section of the far right of ASF. They are so much more fun to hang out with. :

Meanwhile, Vodafone yesterday became the latest telecommunications company to upgrade its wireless network in an attempt to increase download speeds. It said the upgrade would allow ''theoretical'' download speeds of 42 megabits a second, and further improvements could eventually support download speeds of up to 150 Mbps.

My concern for the NBN is that as the Telstra 4G and Voadaphone, Optus et al start delivering faster and faster download speeds over it's wireless networks, the take up rate to residential homes "might" take a solid hit. This will completely stuff the profit forecasting as well as revenue right up the poo shooter.

Yes yes yes as more people use the bandwidth the slower it gets blah blah bloody blah. Average Joe Schmoe in the street doesn't care.

I want my NBN ........ but I want it where it matters.

 

[tothemax6]

It's more than fair to say that the majority of ASF posters, and therefore website content, would lean to the right hand side of the political spectrum.
Unless, of course, people regard Fox news as "Fair and Balanced"

I believe fox news considers fox news fair and balanced, most consider such a claim hilarious . But yes, since share ownership is by its very nature "about profiting from the work of others", and "private ownership of the means of production", pointing out that a forum devoted to stock trading is probably going to politically lean to the right is not particularly insightful.

As has been discussed before, left and right is probably redundant anyway (with the exception of a few ideologues.

Really? I haven't found that. Left and right always appear fairly clear-cut to me, with the blurring only being caused by lack of logical/moral consistency in the persons beliefs.

By the way, is NBN central-planning-experiment-attempt-23564 scrapped yet?

 

[wayneL]

Really? I haven't found that. Left and right always appear fairly clear-cut to me, with the blurring only being caused by lack of logical/moral consistency in the persons beliefs.

Consider classical liberalism then. Originally considered as a movement of the left, is now considered extreme right. Socially they are liberal, a facet of the left. Economically they are liberal, a facet of the right.

So what are they?

What qualifies as left or right?

 

[wayneL]

I do hope I am part of the "rabble rowsers" (rouser is the correct spelling BTW) section of the far right of ASF. They are so much more fun to hang out with. :

Rowsers are a level up from rousers... with secret handshake, secret spelling, the whole shebang. :

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Tranny you and the rest of the ASF right are the only straw clutchers around here
and even most of the ASF right have deserted you in this thread.

You asked the question


I provided the answer....Julia is prime minister because 1 vote Tony is a loser, as in lost the election = loser, and a vote for Julia was a vote for the NBN...i mean its pretty hard to see anyone voting for Labor and not voting for the NBN. :dunno: how is it possible to separate the two.

Tranny, ASF right = grasping at straws.



At last...an admission from the ASF right that someone actually wants the NBN....its a miracle.:bowdown::bowdown:

Many of the electorates that voted Labor and Green last election, are getting NBN, and they are not working class areas by any means.

Mundingburra in Townsville gets it and it is full of double income professionals of Don's Party vintage still living in gaga Goughland.

Most working class electorates up here do not get it.

So it is the elite class who occupy Labor, who are lawyers, teachers and doctors wives who will benefit.

The rest of us will use wireless and be better off eventually for it.

gg

 

[tothemax6]

Consider classical liberalism then. Originally considered as a movement of the left, is now considered extreme right. Socially they are liberal, a facet of the left. Economically they are liberal, a facet of the right.

So what are they?

What qualifies as left or right?

Yes but we must use the present day spectrum. Definitions change over time. Back 'in the day', a leftist was simply a social agitator, and rightist a 'change nothing whatsoever' conservative. Clearly this spectrum has no use nowadays (and isn't used), since for example, this would make a maoist to be right wing in current day china (since he would be attempting to 'conserve' communism in china).

What specifically constitutes the right and left, and why these are polar opposites, has been something I have been pondering for some time. So far I have reached the following model:
The Right are those beliefs consistent with humans increasing their position. That is to say, 'pro-life' in the basic biological sense.
The Left are those beliefs consistent with humans decreasing their position. That is to say, 'pro-death' in the basic sense.
If you'd like me to detail why this is, I can, but the post will be long and non-NBN related .

The issue is that you are trying to define a group of beliefs according to 'left and right' - whereas this is impossible. An isolated belief can be characterized, for example 'offensive speech should be banned' is clearly Left, 'all property should be private' is clearly Right. However if a (confused) person holds both of these beliefs, he can only be graded on the spectrum.
Libertarians, for instance (which I believe is more or less the same as a classical liberal), hold beliefs on both sides (although mostly on the right). Regarding them being 'social left', not necessarily. Typically on immigration, left. On abortion, divided. On race/class/gender, right (no affirmative action, no quotas, no disparity targeting privileges). On social conventions, to be logically consistent with 'liberty' they are mostly left (gay marriage fine, incest fine, polygamy fine, public nudity fine etc). On freedom of speech and action, right (full free speech, all non-rights-violating actions fine).

 

[wayneL]

incest fine

Eh?

I don't think so.

There are essential differences between classical liberalism and libertarianism, though clearly share some ideologies.

 

[robusta]

Sooo

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...-phyics-pd20110223-EBRYU?OpenDocument&src=rot

Where is the drama?

 

[nulla nulla]

I do hope I am part of the "rabble rowsers" (rouser is the correct spelling BTW) section of the far right of ASF. They are so much more fun to hang out with. :

Bugger, I always thought the "rabble rousers" were the trogladite leftist common working class **** stirrers. Rabble being the great unwashed poor working class etc etc.

Meanwhile, Vodafone yesterday became the latest telecommunications company to upgrade its wireless network in an attempt to increase download speeds. It said the upgrade would allow ''theoretical'' download speeds of 42 megabits a second, and further improvements could eventually support download speeds of up to 150 Mbps.

I run "local Area Networks" in the home and the office. I started with "Thin Ethernet Cable loops" running at 2 megabits per second. After much research and trial and error I have upgraded to 1 gigabit switches and network cards running through Cat5e cable. Naturaly my connection to the internet is limited to ADSL2+ and the limitations of my ISP program and the distance I am from the exchange.

I have also tried "Wireless" but I find I have greater security on cable than wireless. Also cable does not experience the loss of signal so prevalent with wireless.

I believe that NBN is the way to go. Copper can now run at up to 10 gigabit per second with the right (very expensive) Server and client network interface cards on the local area network. I consider it unlikely they will get copper any faster on a cost effective basis. However, imo, it is only a matter of time before software is developed and manufacturers produce cheaper server and interface cards for "Cable" giving speeds go to 100 gigabit and beyond. This will happen in local area networks before it happens in wide Area Networks and the Internet. But it will happen and it will be through NBN and not wireless.

My concern for the NBN is that as the Telstra 4G and Voadaphone, Optus et al start delivering faster and faster download speeds over it's wireless networks, the take up rate to residential homes "might" take a solid hit. This will completely stuff the profit forecasting as well as revenue right up the poo shooter.

The roll out of 4G will benefit small volume users on mobile platforms and laptops and will not replace heavy data users over landlines/cable. Given that most of the people in the ASF site are involved with the share market and probably using live feed to trade, I suspect the serious users will run with landlines.

Yes yes yes as more people use the bandwidth the slower it gets blah blah bloody blah. Average Joe Schmoe in the street doesn't care.

I want my NBN ........ but I want it where it matters.

Yeah, I want NBN. I liken it to the development of railways across Australia. It opened up trade between the Eastern State and Western Australia where before they relied on camel trains, or bullock drays or ships )) The only problem being they had narrow gauge in Qld, standard gauge in NSW and broad gauge in Victoria. With a national rollout of cable we have the opportunity to have a uniform standard that will still have scope to develope and improve for decades to come.