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kiwichick said:
why are we in such a mess?

Dr. Albert Bartlett's Law's of Sustainability

15th Law

"The chief cause of problems is solutions"

(Eric Sevareid's Law 1970)
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HE hehe eh eheh ....... I dunno ...... maybe it had something to do with Labor going on a spending spree of "our" money when it was totally unecessary? Great solution ??
 

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tony abbott

"The man is a genetic/industrial hybrid- a tawny frogmouth crossed with a wingnut"

imajica 31/10/2007

love it .....and still true
 
kiwichick said:
countries that avoided recession.....apart from oz??


if the libs were so hot why didn't they see the bubble they were forming?


check it out

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/
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ROFL ........ so the Libs are in trouble cause they reduced debt? Canada did the same.

What bubble ?? I am still waiting for the crash from the last 4 years of prediction. Go to the "Austrlian Property Prices" Forum for some sparkling information that will whet your thirst for knowledge grasshopper.

“If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again … there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is.” Chapter 10 of "The General Theory" by JM Keynes.

To his credit, Keynes thought that burying money and digging it up was a desperate remedy meant only for an economy in which productive activity had almost ceased. It was the kind of emergency measure that should only have been contemplated during a slump like the Great Depression.

Unlike Lord Keynes, Mr Rudd clearly believes that activity that would not normally be justified is worth funding even in an economy that’s growing quite strongly. Since the Global Financial Crisis struck in September 2008, Australia has experienced just one quarter of negative growth. In Australia, there has been a slowdown not a recession. Mr Rudd wants people to believe that he is responsible for this. He wants them to think that he’s the economic genius who saved Australia.

Google "Pink Batts" for your answer kiwichick. Also do a bit of research on Steve Keen and his walk to Kosciusko for good measure. Have a nice evening. :cool:
 
trainspotter said:
ROFL ........ so the Libs are in trouble cause they reduced debt? Canada did the same.

What bubble ?? I am still waiting for the crash from the last 4 years of prediction. Go to the "Austrlian Property Prices" Forum for some sparkling information that will whet your thirst for knowledge grasshopper.

“If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again … there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is.” Chapter 10 of "The General Theory" by JM Keynes.

To his credit, Keynes thought that burying money and digging it up was a desperate remedy meant only for an economy in which productive activity had almost ceased. It was the kind of emergency measure that should only have been contemplated during a slump like the Great Depression.

Unlike Lord Keynes, Mr Rudd clearly believes that activity that would not normally be justified is worth funding even in an economy that’s growing quite strongly. Since the Global Financial Crisis struck in September 2008, Australia has experienced just one quarter of negative growth. In Australia, there has been a slowdown not a recession. Mr Rudd wants people to believe that he is responsible for this. He wants them to think that he’s the economic genius who saved Australia.

Google "Pink Batts" for your answer kiwichick. Also do a bit of research on Steve Keen and his walk to Kosciusko for good measure. Have a nice evening. :cool:
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FMD mate go fishing or something your posts have got that bad i am seriously thinking of pouring salt in my eyes for fun.
 
kiwichick said:
trainspotter; here's that info on Steve Keen you were looking for

http://rwer.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/keen-roubini-and-baker-win-revere-award-for-economics-2/

enjoy
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Thanks kiwichick. I guess if you cry wolf often enough sometimes you just gotta get it right. :rolleyes:

On Thursday April 15th 2010 at 1pm, Steve Keen will begin a walk from Parliament House to Mt Kosciuszko, to fulfill the famous bet with Rory Robertson over house prices.

Keen claimed that, just as Japanese house prices had fallen 40% since its Bubble Economy burst in 1990, so too would Australian house prices. In October 2008, Robertson challenged him to a bet that this would never happen at a debate in the Parliamentary Library, where the loser would have to walk from Parliament House to Mt Kosciuszko.

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Andrew Robb confessing he wants Joe Hockey's job will test Tony Abbott's mettle this week. Also has taken some of the shine off Julie Bishops grab for power. The Libs are in self destruct mode ATM. :(
 
trainspotter said:
Andrew Robb confessing he wants Joe Hockey's job will test Tony Abbott's mettle this week. Also has taken some of the shine off Julie Bishops grab for power. The Libs are in self destruct mode ATM. :(
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You think so? Getting rid of Abbott would guarantee them a win at the next election.
Robb is actually a capable Minister, he just has the charisma of wet cardboard. Hockey is immensely likeable, he's just not that bright compared to his peers.

Libs have a chance of going for substance in a shake-up and if they do, I doubt that Labor have enough talent in their ranks to match them. They'll probably just stick with hypocrite Abbott in the short term though.
 
trainspotter; yeah read about the bet/walk

Steve is obviously correct about the coming crash however australia will probably be
a destination of choice (see boat people) when the sh#t hits the fan

timing?

good question

speculative guess; 2015-2020
 
Mofra said:
You think so? Getting rid of Abbott would guarantee them a win at the next election.
Robb is actually a capable Minister, he just has the charisma of wet cardboard. Hockey is immensely likeable, he's just not that bright compared to his peers.

Libs have a chance of going for substance in a shake-up and if they do, I doubt that Labor have enough talent in their ranks to match them. They'll probably just stick with hypocrite Abbott in the short term though.
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Not sure of a guarantee on swapping Abbott just yet. He and the Libs were landing more blows on the Govt. than a Jeff Fenech / Zuma Nelson fight until talk of Julie Bishop having a title shot.

Not sure WHY Robb is chasing the Hockey portfolio of Treasurer? Has got the media in a frenzy though and changed the spotlight off Labor bungling. We will see. :2twocents
 
Mofra said:
You think so? Getting rid of Abbott would guarantee them a win at the next election.
Robb is actually a capable Minister, he just has the charisma of wet cardboard. Hockey is immensely likeable, he's just not that bright compared to his peers.
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I think they can win an election with Abbott, but they could win more decisively with a more credible leader. But who?:dunno:. Rob would be a much better treasurer than Hockey, but as you say, he doesn't look like leadership material.
 
Mofra said:
You think so? Getting rid of Abbott would guarantee them a win at the next election.
Robb is actually a capable Minister, he just has the charisma of wet cardboard.
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Agree about the charisma factor. Zilch with Mr Robb. I know he's frequently referred to as very capable, but I'm unaware of how or in what role he has demonstrated this?
I'm not suggesting it isn't so, but he's just the sort of person who leaves an impression of slightly awkward bumbling. Hearing him speak, he's less than articulate.

Hockey is immensely likeable, he's just not that bright compared to his peers.
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Agree. His political instincts are sometimes quite off the mark, too.


Libs have a chance of going for substance in a shake-up and if they do, I doubt that Labor have enough talent in their ranks to match them. They'll probably just stick with hypocrite Abbott in the short term though.
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Well, having just dismissed the obvious alternatives of Robb and Hockey, who could they turn to? There is some pretty reasonable talent coming up, e.g. Greg Hunt and Scott Morrison, but they're nowhere near leadership material at this stage.

So it comes back to Turnbull. Sails has raised valid objections to him.
 
Julia said:
...So it comes back to Turnbull. Sails has raised valid objections to him.
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They were more my thoughts at this stage - wouldn't vouch for validity...:)

Calliope made an interesting comment on another thread:

Calliope said:
Perhaps we will never know the real Malcolm Turnbull. He has to perform a fine balancing act. If he hadn't been elected in Wentworth, he would never have been in parliament. Now Wentworth is an electorate, where , in the absence of Turnbull, it would elect a Green.

He has to perform a juggling act. He has to try to persuade the conservatives that he can be trusted, and at the same time convince his electorate that he is one of them.

Being two-faced is not an easy game to play. Sooner or later you have to show your hand.
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Thanks Calliope - it does help to understand a bit more about Turnbull. Although it doesn't ease too many concerns of Turnbull if he has to appease a green electorate

But I am still so mystified why labor supporters generally keep calling for his return. It does look like they fear Abbott in opposition and hence the grasping at any little straw to make him look silly. It appears labor are desperate for Abbott to go and would rather have the apparently more labor friendly Turnbull replace him.
 
It may not be Abbott they fear. It is the intellect of Turnball that appears. More likely to do deals. Also a hope parliament could be moved up a gear in debating. It's hard to respect Abbott.
 
"hard to respect abbott"

try b!**dy impossible

the libs are a rotting corpse

and surely all electorates are green;" the human economy is a subset of the environment"
 
lol - Libs still seem to have some life in them according to this Newspoll which I posted on another thread:

sails said:
This Newspoll from the Australian is showing labor well behind on primary votes and falling on the two party preferred. 2PP was based on prefenence flow at the last election which may be very different if the libs put the greens last as they did in Vic:


PRIMARY VOTE+ COALITION LABOR GREENS OTHERS
Newspoll 4-6 February 2011* 44 32 14 10

TWO PARTY PREFERRED+
Based on preference flow at August 2010 Federal election COALITION LABOR
Newspoll 4-6 February 2011 52 48


More info here: http://www.newspoll.com.au/image_uploads
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Its been interesting watching this Liberal party internal battle going on its looking more and more as Abbott backs down that the moderates are starting to flex their strength more so now as the past election result falls into the past forgotten memory.

Abbott won the leadership by 1 vote


Funeral fallout: 'we did go a little bit too far' says Abbott

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has conceded the coalition went too far in criticising the government for paying for Christmas Island shipwreck survivors to attend family funerals.

Coalition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison was blasted for saying it was unreasonable to expect taxpayers to foot the bill for flying 22 family members from Christmas Island to Sydney for Tuesday's funerals.
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Looks like Abbott also hung out Morrison as well after initially supporting him.
 
It really is an ordinary field out there.

Who of the dull nags circling the mounting yard could we possibly back?

:confused:

They are all....almost...ceramic!

Issued from the Chinese Terracotta Warrior display.

Or, are chewing on their hooves.

Penny Wong! for the first lesbian PM in the world!

:)

That would be colourful.
 
I am surprised to see how quiet this thread is on whether 9 year old orphans should go to their parents' funeral with tax payers money. His brother died as well.

I thought someone would support the Libs on this, after all we are not a rich enough country to have compassion for a child.

I remember Kerry Packer's funeral that we paid for by the way; and paid hundreds of politicians to attend.
 
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