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Ruby said:
Thanks Sails. I have just read the article and I think it puts everything into the proper perspective. Great post from you too.
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Thanks Ruby - I felt it is something that's been largely missed in all the barrage of comments over this issue.
 
drsmith said:
On a broader front, the knives are missing at the house of the Liberal Party.
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I hope it's not Julie Bishop trying to do a Julia...:D

I don't think Julie Bishop's communication skills are that much better than Abbott's and I also doubt that her icy stare and almost expressionless face will go down too well. Too much like the lifeless personality with which we have already been inflicted, IMO...:rolleyes:

I hope the knives are put back where they belong until a more suitable candidate can be found.
 
sails said:
I hope it's not Julie Bishop trying to do a Julia...:D
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Surely that's just unthinkable, Sails? She has never been mentioned as a party leader.
She would last about a minute and a half if her colleagues were stupid enough to put her in such a position.
 
Julia said:
Surely that's just unthinkable, Sails? She has never been mentioned as a party leader.
She would last about a minute and a half if her colleagues were stupid enough to put her in such a position.
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I had the "pleasure" of a 5 minute conversation with Julia Bishop during the second last election campaign and I found her incapable of answering questions related to some of the large spending promises of the Liberal party in that campaign. Her responses were to attack Labor's spending promises, rather than justify her own. That conversation and seeing her subsequent interviews have convinced me she is a complete lightweight and, as you said, wouldn't last two minutes as opposition leader or, heaven forbid, PM.
 
Julia said:
Surely that's just unthinkable, Sails? She has never been mentioned as a party leader.
She would last about a minute and a half if her colleagues were stupid enough to put her in such a position.
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I hope it's unthinkable, Julia...:)

I just assumed that the knives were out for Abbott and Julie Bishop has been in the centre of upsets recently, so I just wondered if it was part of her angling for Abbott's position.

However, I am now thinking the knives are out for Julie Bishop instead. She seems almost incapable in her role as deputy. I remember the videos of sessions with the independents prior to the election result and Julie Bishop seemed to be no more than a pretty face with very little imput to the discussions. Andrew Robb seemed to be doing her job for her.

I don't quite know why she was chosen as deputy unless there are other political party reasons for her being there.
 
sails said:
I don't quite know why she was chosen as deputy unless there are other political party reasons for her being there.
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I think they thought she would be a match for Labor's deputy at that time, Gillard. She has more "class" than Gillard but nothing much else.

I have no idea why they persisted with her after the election. Perhaps it was because she is a Western Australian, and they deserved recognition for throwing state Labor out.
 
I suggest that those who were pro 7 and anti Abbott in the recent beatup, take time to read this editorial in full.

Clearly, in this case a television program has chosen to promote its own interests by dishonestly seeking to damage Mr Abbott. Along the way it has caused offence, produced additional distress for the soldier's family and patronised its own audience. Seven underestimated the intelligence of viewers who seemed to realise that being wrongly accused of a transgression as horrible as belittling our fallen might render many people speechless. Public reaction has overwhelmingly supported Mr Abbott and criticised Riley and Seven.

But what of the rest of the media? As a conservative Liberal, Mr Abbott is seen as fair game by many in the press gallery with some holding him in open contempt. So while they agreed the Opposition Leader had said nothing wrong in Afghanistan, many journalists still attacked him for his awkward response to Seven's claims. It seems like something of a witch trial to condemn a man for his reaction without taking into account the egregious nature of the allegation to which he is responding.

This is symptomatic of a culture of "gotcha" journalism, where one reporter strikes and the pack feeds. It also amplifies suggestions that hunting conservatives is a favourite sport of the Canberra clique.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...es-seven-network/story-e6frg71x-1226003949856
 
Paul Kelly on the week and thinks 7 cynical, I think their news and political coverage along with 9 network at best a lost dog type coverage.

For the Coalition, it is hard to imagine a more unconvincing week. Abbott's immediate task is to show it is the exception not the new norm. Showered with evidence of Labor's vulnerability and confusion, Abbott stumbled into personality, tactical and media mishaps. He was guilty of serial blunders. He made the Coalition the issue, triggered a rift with deputy leader Julie Bishop and had a bizarre meltdown before the television cameras when the Seven Network staged a cynical ambush chasing its gotcha moment.
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Gives Bishop more brains than I thought


Abbott's problem, however, was that the Coalition via media interviews stumbled into the commitment to identify its own spending cuts to substitute for the levy. This decision emerged on the run. It was formalised in a leadership group phone hook-up. For Abbott, this was a decisive moment - at this stage he concluded that with the Coalition pushing for a change of government it could not reject the levy without tabling its own alternative spendings cuts. It was a tough decision but high-risk. Deputy leader Bishop was convinced this was the wrong approach.
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Bishop understands they are not in government.

"There was no strategy," she told colleagues. A fortnight ago during a phone conversation Bishop told Abbott it would be a mistake to identify spending cuts. She said the cuts would be theoretical, the Coalition was not in office and such a list would make the Coalition the issue instead of Labor. But Abbott rejected this advice. "Julie, to be credible I think I must identify the cuts," he said.
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Worth a read if only to see the detail of the leak reports and wonder who

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/abbotts-back-foot-stumbles/story-e6frg6zo-1226004666539
 
IFocus said:
Gives Bishop more brains than I thought

Bishop understands they are not in government.
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Yes, in this instance, she was right.

It's hard to say how Abbott's stand against the flood tax will play out. I'm not sure that his slogan of 'another new tax' will continue to work in the face of what are looking like long delays in the rebuilding process. Frustration is rising and tempers are fraying where people are still without power, still waiting for insurance assessors, then likely facing long delays before their homes are habitable again.

People so affected - and all those in sympathy with them - could well ignore the reality that the flood tax is for rebuilding government infrastructure and instead see the Libs as one of the reasons for their continuing misery.




Worth a read if only to see the detail of the leak reports and wonder who

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/abbotts-back-foot-stumbles/story-e6frg6zo-1226004666539
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I have no idea who the leakers would be. Anyone have an opinion about this?
 
kiwichick said:
hard to believe but the mad monk is doing a workman like job of looking more stupid
than george bush

dead man walking
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lol - another todster and a strange first post to a stock market forum with a mess of unpunctuated words to boot...:D

Is Abbott such a threat to Gillard? That's encouraging and a good sign for the libs...:D

thankyou :bowdown: thankyou :bowdown: thankyou :bowdown:
 
kiwichick said:
abbott is a threat to the planet

as is anyone who can't read a simple graph
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And I could respond with a statement "Gillard is a threat to Australia".

However, most of us here prefer an intelligent debate rather than wasting bandwidth with these sorts of unsubstantiated words.

However, I get the drift that labor obviously are desperate to get rid of Abbott and it looks like you have signed up here for no other purpose than to write labor propaganda.

People will not vote for a government that has an addiction of spending and increased taxes.
 
sails said:
And I could respond with a statement "Gillard is a threat to Australia".

However, most of us here prefer an intelligent debate rather than wasting bandwidth with these sorts of unsubstantiated words.

However, I get the drift that labor obviously are desperate to get rid of Abbott and it looks like you have signed up here for no other purpose than to write labor propaganda.

People will not vote for a government that has an addiction of spending and increased taxes.
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As much as I agree with you sails I have to disagree with you on this one. Ummmmmmm ...... Obama administration springs to mind. On the addiction to spending that is. Ireland is another. We all know the outcome. :eek:
 
trainspotter said:
As much as I agree with you sails I have to disagree with you on this one. Ummmmmmm ...... Obama administration springs to mind. On the addiction to spending that is. Ireland is another. We all know the outcome. :eek:
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So why are you disagreeing with Sails on this?
Given that the Obama administration plus that of Ireland are both deeply unpopular, aren't you actually proving Sails' point by your observation?
 
do you mean little johnie and his 6? levies???

dairy, sugar,...

or $5 billion/year on diesel

advice on investing; "shut up and speculate" warren buffett
 
Julia said:
So why are you disagreeing with Sails on this?
Given that the Obama administration plus that of Ireland are both deeply unpopular, aren't you actually proving Sails' point by your observation?
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Aaaaahhhhhhh nope. Both Obama and Cowen retain power by a slender margin. They both have had to spend to reinvgorate the economy due to previous mismanagement. Very similar to what we have with Joolyah and the Aussie bleeders. We LOVE to receive the free handouts to stimulate (LABOR) ......... we HATE to have to pay it back (LIBERAL) Just my observation is all.

Deeply unpopular with whom exactly? They were voted in by "someone" who thought they would do the right thing ?? Just like the proletariat in Australia. I cannot find one person who has admitted to me that they have voted Labor and have no idea as to why we are in such a mess. Must have been someone else ??? :eek:
 
why are we in such a mess?

Dr. Albert Bartlett's Law's of Sustainability

15th Law

"The chief cause of problems is solutions"

(Eric Sevareid's Law 1970)
 
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