2010 Federal Election

[awg]

I want to express my boredom and frustration with being in the 2nd safest Labor seat in Australia, especially election time.

We never get anything, our local rep is a hack, and no amount of voting concern will change a thing. ( With the possible exception of Senate)

If you live in a marginal you are lucky!

Both Fed and State govt spit in the face of most Hunter electorates

 

[overhang]

I want to express my boredom and frustration with being in the 2nd safest Labor seat in Australia, especially election time.

We never get anything, our local rep is a hack, and no amount of voting concern will change a thing. ( With the possible exception of Senate)

If you live in a marginal you are lucky!

Both Fed and State govt spit in the face of most Hunter electorates

You and me both awg, my electorate has had a coalition member for 55 years now, we receive no additional funding from either party election after election. I'll be voting Independent because they have more of a show at reducing the margin.

 

[trainspotter]

Thinking about it realistically ....... what actually changes when there is a change in Government? Under both parties I still have managed to survive and truly have not noticed an amazing difference between either party? Both have failed to deliver any major reforms that I am aware of? Most of it is tweaking around the edges really !! Whoooopeeeee 2% off tax for companies. I just get slugged somewhere else.

The last major policy that I can actually credit that made any difference to Australia as a Nation was the GST. And barely even then. Some things went down and others went up ?? Still have the same money circling around just in different areas.

Anyone else got some policies that are/were earth shattering? HUH ??

SO what If I can get my internet faster?? I already have too many options available to me for high speed internet. SO what about Work Choices ?? I employ people and it did not make one iota of difference to me.

 

[Calliope]

We never get anything, our local rep is a hack, and no amount of voting concern will change a thing. ( With the possible exception of Senate)
If you live in a marginal you are lucky!

I'm in the same situation as you except that my guy is a Liberal and is completely useless. He is the guy who was photographed in Parliament asleep not long ago. Members in safe seats get very lazy. There should be a time limit on them.

He was approached by the party to stand aside for Mal Brough. He declined of course.

 

[sails]

This could make things interesting:

"If the leak has come from Treasury then it is in all likelihood a criminal offence," Mr Robb said.

Full story: http://www.businessspectator.com.au...k-source-be-found-886YS?OpenDocument&src=hp14

 

[drsmith]

This could make things interesting:

Full story: http://www.businessspectator.com.au...k-source-be-found-886YS?OpenDocument&src=hp14

Are the Coalition conceeding the miscalculation ?

This could be something made up by the ALP. On the other hand, the Coalition could be hiding behind the treasury leak aspect of this.

 

[trainspotter]

Gillard was offered three debates by Tony Abbott during the course of the electioneering to which she agreed to only one. Now she is accusing him of "running from an economic debate"? Ummmmmm ... wasn't she the one that said NO ? Me thinks she is gaining the upper hand on the high ground.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e-on-the-economy/story-fn59niix-1225903905156

 

[drsmith]

The Coalition seem to be having a problem or two with their webpage.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

There's nothing in the links.

 

[wayneL]

Gillard was offered three debates by Tony Abbott during the course of the electioneering to which she agreed to only one. Now she is accusing him of "running from an economic debate"? Ummmmmm ... wasn't she the one that said NO ? Me thinks she is gaining the upper hand on the high ground.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e-on-the-economy/story-fn59niix-1225903905156

It's a dangerous debate.

The best economics is hard-nosed and requires difficulty for many in the short term in order to obtain the best medium/long term result.

But the socialist bastids will argue for shorter term touchy feely concepts using a number of argumentative fallacies such as appeal to sympathy, argument by emotive language, straw man, argument by slogan, non sequitur etc etc etc... all to the detriment of medium/long term economic health.

It easy to villainize the correct economic approach under campaign circumstances as most people wouldn't have a clue and are only interested in what they are going to "get" from the government in the next three years.

It's a big problem for economic liberals and forces them to into the left hand side of the social liberal camp.

 

[Mofra]

Thinking about it realistically ....... what actually changes when there is a change in Government? Under both parties I still have managed to survive and truly have not noticed an amazing difference between either party? Both have failed to deliver any major reforms that I am aware of? Most of it is tweaking around the edges really !! Whoooopeeeee 2% off tax for companies. I just get slugged somewhere else.

The last major policy that I can actually credit that made any difference to Australia as a Nation was the GST. And barely even then. Some things went down and others went up ?? Still have the same money circling around just in different areas.

Real economic reform has stalled since the introduction of the GST (which by most measures has been a success, even if the implementation was largely ballsed up by the states). We're stuck with two major parties who come from ideological opposites who are now both so earnest in their clamour for the centrist vote they are barely distinguishable from each other.
No wonder this election campaign seems to be far more "presidential" than others, with more of a focus on the leaders than the parties - they just ain't that different folks.

 

[noco]

Lies, lies and more Labor Party lies by Wayne Swan. The man couldn't lie straight in bed if you paid him.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...obs-boost-claims/story-fn59niix-1225904135466

 

[Logique]

Is Leigh Sales of ABC Lateline running for PM at all? Now there's a 'ranga' I could vote for. Her profesionalism stands out like a beacon amongst the Kerrys, the Tonys and the Frans of the stable. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the commercial networks snap her up soon, I mean how long can a quality journo put up with that ABC crap?

Post-election I think it should be like that iced coffee advert on tv....I think we need to go for a coffee, Kerry, Tony and Fran.

NSW posters will have heard the follow up press, Abbott jumped down from the podium (a la West Wing), at the Town Hall debate, in a d'oh, why didn't we think of that moment for Labor. He did well, widely considered to have 'won', whatever that means.

 

[noco]

Is Leigh Sales of ABC Lateline running for PM at all? Now there's a 'ranga' I could vote for. Her profesionalism stands out like a beacon amongst the Kerrys, the Tonys and the Frans of the stable. Wouldn't be surprised to see one of the commercial networks snap her up soon, I mean how long can a quality journo put up with that ABC crap?

Post-election I think it should be like that iced coffee advert on tv....I think we need to go for a coffee, Kerry, Tony and Fran.

NSW posters will have heard the follow up press, Abbott jumped down from the podium (a la West Wing), at the Town Hall debate, in a d'oh, why didn't we think of that moment for Labor. He did well, widely considered to have 'won', whatever that means.

Getting down to the audience level played out well for Abbott.

In contrast, Gillard sat on a stool up top like a school teacher talking to a class full of kids. Her opening statement went something like this :- "now all those who reckon they could not meet their mortgage if they lost their job, please raise their right hand". OMG what an opening.

 

[basilio]

In contrast, Gillard sat on a stool up top like a school teacher talking to a class full of kids. Her opening statement went something like this :- "now all those who reckon they could not meet their mortgage if they lost their job, please raise their right hand". OMG what an opening.

Sounds very clever to me. Identifies right from the start how important employment is to people as far as keeping a roof over their heads. Neat trick too in saying "mortgage" rather than rent.

 

[noco]

Sounds very clever to me. Identifies right from the start how important employment is to people as far as keeping a roof over their heads. Neat trick too in saying "mortgage" rather than rent.

Fair suck of the sauce bottle basillio, it was a leading question.

I don't think there were many people in the audience who did not put up their hand.
Of course one would not be able to pay a motgage if they lost their job. So what is the point?

 

[trainspotter]

Sounds very clever to me. Identifies right from the start how important employment is to people as far as keeping a roof over their heads. Neat trick too in saying "mortgage" rather than rent.

Ummmmmmm ..... remind me never to go to an auction with you. Very bad things happen when you raise your right hand.

Could also explain as to why Gillard was deemed to lose the debate if she was being condescending and talking down to the people. Unfortunately did not watch the program so really don't have an opinion either way.

 

[drsmith]

Wayne Swan rules out a carbon tax/ETS in Labor's next term.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Very briefly, address Joe Hockey's question about a carbon tax. You would say an ETS.

Is there any likelihood of a second Gillard Government introducing an Emissions Trading Scheme within your next term?

WAYNE SWAN: Kerry, We've made our position absolutely clear. I know they're running a scare campaign that a carbon tax is coming because I saw their ads in North Queensland when I was there last night.

The Prime Minister has made it very clear that we are going to go out and achieve community consensus, which was fractured by Mr Hockey and the Liberals when they voted down the ETS. That is where the ETS is, it's voted down, it's voted down. We have to go back to the community and proceed how we go from here, thanks to Mr Hockey.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Okay. Now, brief response Mr Hockey.

JOE HOCKEY: What was that? Was that yes or no? That was just... The fundamental question is, are you going to rule out a carbon tax in the next term of the Government - yes or no?

WAYNE SWAN: We have made our position very clear. We have ruled it out. We have to go back to the community and work out a way in which we can put a cap on carbon pollution.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Okay...

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2981491.htm

 

[moXJO]

Wayne Swan rules out a carbon tax/ETS in Labor's next term.



http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2981491.htm

I wonder how NZ is doing with their carbon tax?

 

[noco]

News Poll shows Labor are ahead by 7.5%.

Looks like we are in for another 3 years of HARD LABOUR.

 

[trainspotter]

Not over yet noco. Still another week to go. Someone will make a monumental mistake and sway the great unwashed mases into the other camp. Education Policy out today from the Libs. Watch the media hacks swarm over this.

The Libs have not helped themselves with a Treasury blooper of 800 million by the way. Then they want the head of the source on a pike?? Suited them when they had Godwin Grech pumping them full of furphies.