Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[wayneL]

Looks like the mining tax impasse is all but clear for a start - given Rudd nailed his credibility to the issue (and his ETS backflip), he was in a far less politically friendly position to make concessions than the way Julia has.

The talk of the Lib/National parties being more concerned with facing Julia in the polls than there were with Ruddy speaks volumes. Julia has a genuine chance of solidifying support for Labour, with a voting public that could no longer connect with Rudd (or had any idea what he stood for these days).

Sure, it is the appeal of the Aussie Ockerina and her rhetoric is first rate.

It depends on how quickly Aussies see through this and look at raw ideology/policy, to know whether this is what Australia wants, ergo, socialism.

 

[drsmith]

A fair question that deserves an answer. It might have been entertaining for the comrades, but people that want an answer to the question will lose respect for her with such nonsense.

That's taken her down several notches for me.

An unfortuante trend is that politicians increasingly see respect and getting re-elected as two different things.

 

[moXJO]

Looks like the mining tax impasse is all but clear for a start - given Rudd nailed his credibility to the issue (and his ETS backflip), he was in a far less politically friendly position to make concessions than the way Julia has.

The talk of the Lib/National parties being more concerned with facing Julia in the polls than there were with Ruddy speaks volumes. Julia has a genuine chance of solidifying support for Labour, with a voting public that could no longer connect with Rudd (or had any idea what he stood for these days).

And there is already talk of cutting the super increase and lowering of tax rates.

 

[drsmith]

And there is already talk of cutting the super increase and lowering of tax rates.

I suspect a mini budget of sorts will be released prior to the election.

 

[moXJO]

I suspect a mini budget of sorts will be released prior to the election.

I wonder if abbott is factoring in the rspt into his policies at all?

 

[trainspotter]

Rudd vs Gillard #2

IT'S FAIR to say the Revolutionary Socialist Party doesn't have a huge presence in Canberra.

But the party has taken the strategic step of putting up Kevin Rudd's nephew to run against new prime minister Julia Gillard in her safe Labor seat of Lalor.

Van Thanh Rudd, 37, hasn't seen his uncle the former prime minister since he stepped into the top job in November 2007, but says there has been some telephone contact during Kevin Rudd's "busy" reign.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...rd/story-fn5a6dkp-1225886812406#ixzz0sPwBNGov

*WARNING* The lunatics are on the grass *WARNING*

 

[wayneL]

An unfortuante trend is that politicians increasingly see respect and getting re-elected as two different things.

The blight on democracy.

 

[JTLP]

Posted in Depression thread:

http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...al-health-pledge/story-fn5tar6a-1225886457823

Did anybody see this story?

Good on Tony and finally some substance for an election. I like the idea of scrapping that stupid medicare after hours thing and the GP Superclinics...what the hell!

Gillard does not inspire confidence in me when she sweeps such pressing issues under the carpet (just to keep it relevant).

 

[drsmith]

The blight on democracy.

Indeed. A modern form of Rome burning while Nero fiddles.

Sadly, the Public Service is going down the same path.

 

[Apollo]

Following the political assination of Kevin Rudd I thought would be appropriate to replace the Rudd thread.
How can anyone be inspired by comrade Gillard when she flys to Brisbane in the Government jet to fund raise for the Labor Party. She was to have flown back to Brisbane today but thought better of it after the criticism she received from the press.
What a nerve this Prime Minister has in exceeding her privaliges!

This is my first post in here so be kind.
Been trying to find a forum on the super tax. In there a forum
on aussie stock forum only talking about this blasted super tax ?

She'll go the same way as Krudd did.

She's to vain to be PM.
Her face looks as though she's had a face lift and her hair looks as though its been dyed even more than usual.

Perhaps Swan will be the next leader.

I can see the ad campaign now, Bill Shorten pulling the strings with a puppet in Gillard below.

Polls are starting to turn against her now. Only took a week for this to happen. Usually new leaders have a good period for a few months.

Too much damage has been done.

Gillard should have dropped the blasted tax alltogether, but no she's pushing ahead with it.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

She's to vain to be PM.
Her face looks as though she's had a face lift and her hair looks as though its been dyed even more than usual.

Perhaps Swan will be the next leader.

I can see the ad campaign now, Bill Shorten pulling the strings with a puppet in Gillard below.

Polls are starting to turn against her now. Only took a week for this to happen. Usually new leaders have a good period for a few months.

Too much damage has been done.

Gillard should have dropped the blasted tax alltogether, but no she's pushing ahead with it.

I don't think we need to comment on physical features as they are not relevant to the debate. Though, ideology should be looked at because it affects people.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

What's wrong with being flippant.

I think she is very clever, probably more than Abbott.
Look how quickly she rose to the top. She has changed horse midstream at the right time and knows how to outwit her opponents.

A good example of quick thinking in Parliament:

JULIE BISHOP: Given that the Prime Minister has confirmed today that the same ministers will be conducting the same negotiations with the mining industry, for the same $12 billion outcome as before today's unprecedented political assassination of the former prime minister, what ...

(Jeering)

SPEAKER: Order!

JULIE BISHOP: ...what policy change has occurred? Or is the change, what many suspect a new face but still same old Labor, same old tax?

JULIA GILLARD: I thank the same old Deputy Leader of the Opposition for her question.

(Laughter)

JULIA GILLARD: And wish her well as she serves her third leader.

(Laughter)

But did the question get answered without equivocation?

A leader that is flippant will not last long. It's ok, sadly, for voters to be flippant but they have no right to whinge if they are so.

 

[nulla nulla]

Personaly I am more concerned with the perception/reality that the numbers men of the labour party control the party absolutely and with complete disregard for the misinformed populace that vote for the members of parliament.

The numbers men control candidate nominations/selection at grass roots level;
The numbers men control the candidates elevated to ministries for the various portfolios; and (as has been proven within the last month)
The numbers men remove/replace anyone not doing their bidding.

The reality is, the maiden speaches the elected members of the labour party give when they get to parliament mean nothing. All their sprouting about, elected by the people for the people is just hollow retoric. All their sprouking while seeking election means nothing. The reality is they are there at the whim of then numbers men and if they put a foot wrong they are gone.

 

[Calliope]

Ms Gillard said this morning that the nation owes a debt of gratitude to Wayne Swan and Martin Ferguson for pulling off an agreement with the big miners on the big tax.

Wayne Swan? He was strongly behind this non-negotiable tax which he so hurriedly put together with Rudd, Gillard and Tanner after the budget.

Now the clown is claiming that the backdown is a great victory for tax reform and we can "move forward."

Martin Ferguson is the only one with any credibility.

 

[noco]

This is my first post in here so be kind.
Been trying to find a forum on the super tax. In there a forum
on aussie stock forum only talking about this blasted super tax ?

She'll go the same way as Krudd did.

She's to vain to be PM.
Her face looks as though she's had a face lift and her hair looks as though its been dyed even more than usual.

Perhaps Swan will be the next leader.

I can see the ad campaign now, Bill Shorten pulling the strings with a puppet in Gillard below.

Polls are starting to turn against her now. Only took a week for this to happen. Usually new leaders have a good period for a few months.

Too much damage has been done.

Gillard should have dropped the blasted tax alltogether, but no she's pushing ahead with it.

Appollo, firstly the super profits tax is now dead. It has been renamed the 'resource rent tax' which in effect is the same thing (very clever Julia Gillard) with a different name.

But I must admit she has shown some sanity in her negotiations with the miners, albeit at a cost in revenue of some $1.5billion.

She was perhaps in the invidious position being the new leader to be able to back down from the original concept put up by Rudd without losing face. If Rudd had relented, it would have shown him up as a weak leader.

Julia Gillard has once again made Rudd the scapegoat to make herself look as a hero in the face of the public. Very clever indeed.

 

[Knobby22]

Sure, it is the appeal of the Aussie Ockerina and her rhetoric is first rate.

It depends on how quickly Aussies see through this and look at raw ideology/policy, to know whether this is what Australia wants, ergo, socialism.

Australians want the middle ground and Australians want government for the people, not the rich or special interest groups.
Not the hard right that has failed the USA, not the hard left that has failed parts of Europe.
And we have been good at obtaining it from our politicians. Once a party moves too far in one direction, we dump them.

 

[Mofra]

An unfortuante trend is that politicians increasingly see respect and getting re-elected as two different things.

Was it Alan Greenspan (who has worked with every US President since Nixon) who once mentioned that anyone who is prepared to do what it takes to get elected isn't fit to run for office?

 

[trainspotter]

Appollo, firstly the super profits tax is now dead. It has been renamed the 'resource rent tax' which in effect is the same thing (very clever Julia Gillard) with a different name.

But I must admit she has shown some sanity in her negotiations with the miners, albeit at a cost in revenue of some $1.5billion.

She was perhaps in the invidious position being the new leader to be able to back down from the original concept put up by Rudd without losing face. If Rudd had relented, it would have shown him up as a weak leader.

Julia Gillard has once again made Rudd the scapegoat to make herself look as a hero in the face of the public. Very clever indeed.

Post of the month right here IMO. Love the word "invidious" when it is used correctly.

 

[Calliope]

Was it Alan Greenspan (who has worked with every US President since Nixon) who once mentioned that anyone who is prepared to do what it takes to get elected isn't fit to run for office?

One thing is sure. We elect politicians on party lines when usually the only thing we know about them is what their publicity machines tell us. We end up with a parliament of party hacks, who have minimal impact on running the country..

 

[wayneL]

Australians want the middle ground and Australians want government for the people, not the rich or special interest groups.
Not the hard right that has failed the USA, not the hard left that has failed parts of Europe.
And we have been good at obtaining it from our politicians. Once a party moves too far in one direction, we dump them.

Australians want their palms greased (even as their being screwed elswhere), hence middle class welfare and election pork barrelling. Is that government for the people.

BTW. Left and right are somewhat redundant terms. I have been accused of left AND right wing extremism, often over the same issues.

Was Bush right wing? In many ways no. What actually failed was neither left nor right, it was the attempt to interfere with economic cycles via stimulus... a perverted brand of Keynesianism.