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OH !! So the jet she is using belongs to all of us? Is this like the mineral wealth that belongs to all of us and the greedy big miners are not giving us a fair share? So therefore we should be asking for our fair share of the jet she is using? I like the philosophy Calliope. :D
 
only in australia would a kath and kim clone become prime minister, perhaps hawke was a clone of hoges
 
BrightGreenGlow said:
Errr this has been happening since day dot Julia. Does anyone remember Rudd flying his mate around the world for free a few years back? :banghead:
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Actually, no. What was the Rudd's mate thing all about?
Of course Ms Gillard should use the RAAF jet for official government business.
But that is absolutely distinct from Labor Party business.

I don't personally care much what she does, but think if she's trying to so differentiate herself from Rudd, she should be taking every opportunity to look lily white and to be careful to give no one any opportunity to criticise her.
 
This was the private use of a taxpayer funded air service. Gillard attempted to spin her way out of it..she was just following the usual guidelines you see, and they [Coalition] know that..

This is the concern - that everything seems to be viewed through the prism of the Canberra political bubble. It's called out-of-touch and unaccountable to electors. Labor are the party-in-a-bubble.

What are the chances of some forensic questioning from 7:30 Report/Lateline etc?

At least the ABC will be going to a 24 hour ALP roundup...er...news...tv channel, so they'll be easier to avoid in favour of more balanced broadcasts.
 
Wysiwyg said:
Yeah a Greyhound bus ticket would be much more palatable from every single taxpayers point of view. :rolleyes:
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If she bought a standard plane ticket, the cost of her security would still (presumably) come from the public purse - and the RAAF aircraft would be sitting idle, pilots & maintenance crews still employed on the same salary.

All in all, she probably took the option that is cheaper for the public.
 
noco said:
Julia, the official Australian Government debt as at 15/02/2010 was $122billion. Add something like over $100,000,000 per week since then you can easily calculate around $150billion to date.
The Government's deficit for 2009/2010 is $58billion.
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Noco could you provide a link to the source suggesting the debt is up to 150 billion. I just received the quarterly report from the local liberal MP who states the budget is in deficit by 40.8 billion so I would love to inform him that his figures are incorrect and its actually 122+ billion. Thanks in advance
 
overhang said:
Noco could you provide a link to the source suggesting the debt is up to 150 billion. I just received the quarterly report from the local liberal MP who states the budget is in deficit by 40.8 billion so I would love to inform him that his figures are incorrect and its actually 122+ billion. Thanks in advance
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Not up to me to answer for Noco. I was also looking for a link for this figure.
But, overhang, debt and deficit are two different things.

This sums it up:
Debt?
Deficit?

What are they?
What's the difference?
The national debt...

...is the net accumulated borrowing by the federal government.

It's the difference between all the money that our federal government
has ever spent and all the revenue that it has ever collected since our
nation's inception.

The annual federal budget deficit...

...is the amount that our federal government borrows each year. [1]

It's the difference between what the federal government spends and
the revenue it receives during a particular year.

So each year's deficit is added to the existing debt. When revenue exceeds spending,
it's called a surplus, which subtracts from the debt.
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Julia said:
Not up to me to answer for Noco. I was also looking for a link for this figure.
But, overhang, debt and deficit are two different things.

This sums it up:
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Debt is the amount of money a Government borrows and pays interest on that money untill paid back.

Deficit is the amount of money a Government spends in excess of their income.

I posted a link(#250) a couple of days ago from Barnaby Joyce stating the Government debt was $147billion and still borrowing $95million per day.

The Government deficit 2009/2010 was $58billion.
 
Bushman said:
We have an 'Abbot for PM' thread but no Gillard for PM?

Timely as Rudd's trustyworthy rating has plummetted further in the polls (below even the Mad Monks).

It is apparent that the Labour caucus is well aware of this as Kruddy has hardly been sighted of late. Apparently he is 'governing the nation'.

So is Kruddy damaged goods enough for Gillard to assume the mantle? The pressure is building.
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This is my first post so be kind.

I think she will go the same way as Rudd, into unemployment.

Is there a forum about the super tax in here or elsewhere.
Been trying to find one, but no luck.

I want to know what this so called new deal is about.
Thanks in advance.
 
Mofra said:
If she bought a standard plane ticket, the cost of her security would still (presumably) come from the public purse - and the RAAF aircraft would be sitting idle, pilots & maintenance crews still employed on the same salary.

All in all, she probably took the option that is cheaper for the public.
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This post is pretty well spot on. The cost of security, co-ordinating schedules with airline departure/arrival times, inconvenience to other members of the traveling public on the flight involved and downtime for the pm, are all off set/eliminated by using the priministerial aircraft.

I'm surprised no-one checked to see if she expected an inflight meal or abused the flight crew.
 
nulla nulla said:
This post is pretty well spot on. The cost of security, co-ordinating schedules with airline departure/arrival times, inconvenience to other members of the traveling public on the flight involved and downtime for the pm, are all off set/eliminated by using the priministerial aircraft.
I'm surprised no-one checked to see if she expected an inflight meal or abused the flight crew.
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Fair enough, but she's not completely off the hook, because there was still a judgement call to be made - does she attend a fund raiser in Brisbane, for an ALP backbencher, or instead save the time and expense and send an apology. I think the party and the backbencher would have understood under the circumstances.
 
Thanks Julia and Noco for the answer, I actually thought that surplus was when we were in the black. So does this mean that when labor says they will be back in surplus in 2013 they just mean that in 2013 government spending will not exceed debt?
 
Thats correct, the budget in surplus in 2013 is when the government starts paying back the debt it has built up. $1billion out of up to $150 billion still leaves a lot of work to do.
 
PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has apologised for using the image of a severely disabled man in an election pamphlet without permission.

But the family of the man, who is in his late 50s and lives in an aged-care facility, remain furious about the pamphlets, distributed in Ms Gillard's electorate of Lalor.

They say the apology, issued today as Ms Gillard announced a $277 million program for mental health services, has come too late.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/fed...et/story-e6frfllr-1225897599803#ixzz0urkZ1J6b
 
Bushman said:
We have an 'Abbot for PM' thread but no Gillard for PM?

Timely as Rudd's trustyworthy rating has plummetted further in the polls (below even the Mad Monks).

It is apparent that the Labour caucus is well aware of this as Kruddy has hardly been sighted of late. Apparently he is 'governing the nation'.

So is Kruddy damaged goods enough for Gillard to assume the mantle? The pressure is building.
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Hey Bushman - you started this thread a month before we got our first female PM, and I haven't checked everything in between to see if you've come back to it.

A bit like Gillard herself, you must also be wishing you could step into the time machine huh?

Except that you would only go back to NOT start this thread (and perhaps put in a few well-chose Lotto numbers to make yourself a multi-millionaire).

Gillard would be going back to unwind the embarrassment!

So c'mon! I'll take a reply to this post as a defacto step into a time machine. C'mon Bushman, C'mon. The rest of the electorate are going into a time machine of their own on Federal election night 2013 (72% if you believe today's polls)

C'mon Bushman:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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