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We have an 'Abbot for PM' thread but no Gillard for PM?

Timely as Rudd's trustyworthy rating has plummetted further in the polls (below even the Mad Monks).

It is apparent that the Labour caucus is well aware of this as Kruddy has hardly been sighted of late. Apparently he is 'governing the nation'.

So is Kruddy damaged goods enough for Gillard to assume the mantle? The pressure is building.
 
It would be a bad look for Labor to change at this stage although Rudd has to dig himself out of this mining tax issue and that won't be easy without losing face (or more face should I say). And Julia may still have some baggage to surface from the BER. My bet would be that Rudd will go to the next election as leader, win it but not convincingly. Gillard will then be given a chance some time over the course of the next parliament with Greg Combet as part of a leadership team. Abbott will probably be seen as unelectable and the Liberal Party may have to revert to a leader they tried before - at least MT would be hoping this would happen as this is the only reason I can see that he would be seeking re-election to the next Parliament. The Greens will have control of the Senate.

Would this be better for the country than the present situation??
 
Maybe the pitchfork is in his back now?
 

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I think Krudd will hold on till the election and probably get tossed out, Libs in and large Green gains. Penny Wong is the tough nut coming through, maybe not as leader but as part of a new team that will replace Rudd and reduce Gillard, who is nice but not up to the task IMVHO. The financial times will be hard in the next few years so Labour will be back four years hence.
 
Julia doesn't have 'the numbers' to become leader, she knows it too, this was the basis for her comment about having a better chance of playing FF for the Bulldogs.

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marklar said:
Julia doesn't have 'the numbers' to become leader, she knows it too, this was the basis for her comment about having a better chance of playing FF for the Bulldogs.

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Probably wouldn't want to run the risk of taking leadership then losing the election.
 
That would sure put the cat among the pidgeons. Maybe one or two may not be homing pidgeons and instead turn in to gooses.

I don't know who would be worse Gillard or Rudd, for both have made a mess of every project they have laid their hands on.
 
brianwh said:
It would be a bad look for Labor to change at this stage although Rudd has to dig himself out of this mining tax issue and that won't be easy without losing face (or more face should I say). And Julia may still have some baggage to surface from the BER. My bet would be that Rudd will go to the next election as leader, win it but not convincingly. Gillard will then be given a chance some time over the course of the next parliament with Greg Combet as part of a leadership team. Abbott will probably be seen as unelectable and the Liberal Party may have to revert to a leader they tried before - at least MT would be hoping this would happen as this is the only reason I can see that he would be seeking re-election to the next Parliament. The Greens will have control of the Senate.

Would this be better for the country than the present situation??
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I'd go along with your summary above, Brian. The thought of the Greens having control of the Senate is pretty scary, though.
I don't think much would change if Gillard replaced Rudd, except she is more personally popular apparently. She certainly doesn't appear to take herself so seriously and is usually even tempered.
No one ever puts up Stephen Smith's name as a contender, whereas I find him the best of the bunch.

noco said:
I don't know who would be worse Gillard or Rudd, for both have made a mess of every project they have laid their hands on.
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Certainly BER has been another perfect rorting vehicle, but I think Ms Gillard has handled the very militant teachers' union adeptly. She has stuck to her guns about the NAPLAN testing and I think Australian children will be the better for their teachers being finally called to account for the woeful standards of teaching in some schools.
 
Bushman said:
We have an 'Abbot for PM' thread but no Gillard for PM?

Timely as Rudd's trustyworthy rating has plummetted further in the polls (below even the Mad Monks).

It is apparent that the Labour caucus is well aware of this as Kruddy has hardly been sighted of late. Apparently he is 'governing the nation'.

So is Kruddy damaged goods enough for Gillard to assume the mantle? The pressure is building.
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I'll bet someone gave him a tap on the shoulder and said sit down, shut-up and listen (to your cabinet colleges) more.

Gillard does seem to be 'presenting' much better though, as deputy, but she may be one who preferes to be a king maker (or popular deputy) than king.
 
Did anyone watch Q&A on ABC tonight, whats the chances of getting Malcolm Frasier to run again?
 
I dont mind Gillard, I think she has done well, though I dont think it would be a right time for her now.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Could you elaborate on how she has done well?
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Compared to Rudd she's the reincarnation of Ghandi.

The only remotely successful Government programs as far as I can tell are MySchool and the introduction of a national curriculum. These both occurred under her direction.
Everything else has been a complete shambles - if I had to choose a Labour leader, she'd be my choice.


*She's also a Western Bulldogs supporter :D
 
Who knows what will happen between now and the election, but this I can tell you. RUDD has an extremely good chance of losing. I personally have never voted liberal before and I am without doubt going to do so in the next federal election and I have been a traditional hard core labour supporter. My Father in law the same, he refuses to vote for RUDD or GILLARD for that matter at the next election and likewise he will vote liberal, my wife is in the same position. So there is 3 votes that labour has lost from labour voting backgrounds and I can tell you that labour is extremely on the nose out there with many more people, plenty of people who voted RUDD last time have allready told me they won't be voting for labour next election.

Now of course some of those people are just mouthing off no doubt, but when people like myself, my wife and my father in law abandon labour then you can bet your bottom dollar that there are oddles of people in the same position as I.
 
kotim said:
Who knows what will happen between now and the election, but this I can tell you. RUDD has an extremely good chance of losing. I personally have never voted liberal before and I am without doubt going to do so in the next federal election and I have been a traditional hard core labour supporter. My Father in law the same, he refuses to vote for RUDD or GILLARD for that matter at the next election and likewise he will vote liberal, my wife is in the same position. So there is 3 votes that labour has lost from labour voting backgrounds and I can tell you that labour is extremely on the nose out there with many more people, plenty of people who voted RUDD last time have allready told me they won't be voting for labour next election.

Now of course some of those people are just mouthing off no doubt, but when people like myself, my wife and my father in law abandon labour then you can bet your bottom dollar that there are oddles of people in the same position as I.
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Voting for Abbott, a ring wing religious Howardite sort of contradicts your hard core Labor claim
 
IFocus said:
Voting for Abbott, a ring wing religious Howardite sort of contradicts your hard core Labor claim
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I think you will find a lot of hardcore labor supporters won't vote Rudd next election. A lot of insulation installers are mighty pi$$ed. So are their friends and family. I know guys that have voted labor from legal age that are changing their vote.
 

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