Turnbull for PM

[nioka]

Here I disagree. Turnbull is if the "Goldman Sachs Set" and would perpetuate the corrupt corporatism seen thus far ==>> IMO <<===

I may be wrong there, but that is my impression.

This is where I hope you are wrong. I think Turnbull WAS part of the GS set but I suspect that he has higher motives these days. If he was still a follower of the GS principles he would still be a merchant banker and not be wasting his time in politics. That is my impression.

Set a thief to catch a thief !!!!

 

[noco]

Throughout our history when the going got tough for Australia it is the Labor party that the people turned to. ie: Curtin*, Whitlam*, Hawke/Keating and now Rudd. In every case when the libs returned to power they rode on the back of the massive economic and strategic reforms that Labor enacted. ie; Post WWII boom, post Hawke/Keating superannuation, labor market and financial industry restrusture including the floating of the $A. They ride the boom and than they usually bust it and Labor is re-elected to patch things up again.

The shame is the Costello was not given the Chalice in time to fight the last election, I think he would have been a good PM, certainly better than the present contender will ever be if he got the chance, which I predict he will not. PS: Do not underestimate Malcolm. He is one of the most talented people in this country. Even better still he has not yet become a politician, but like all good things that will inevitable change.

*Curtin, Autralia needed a patriot to protect it in war.
*Whitlam's legacy is exit Vietnam and total review of Australia's then inadequate health system.

Wanton

Wanton, you're not serious are you? You are joking about Labor's history of course!!

Malcolm Tutnbull is Labor's best asset. That's why they are pleased he has back flipped.

Perhaps Turbull should join Rudd's gymnastics troupe.

 

[Julia]

Many of my friends are suffering the result of investing their life savings in schemes that robbed them of a happy retirement. This is the result of unfettered capitalism.

I'm not sure you should blame capitalism for what is more likely an individual's personal greed and/or ignorance.

I used to live in an age where you did not need to lock your car or your house and a handshake was all you needed to enter a contract. I treat investment as i would the security of all other things. ie watch out for thieves and those conspiring to take you down.

Whilst I don't ever remember not feeling the need to lock house or car, I share your regret at what seems like the loss of honour.

 

[GumbyLearner]

This is where I hope you are wrong. I think Turnbull WAS part of the GS set but I suspect that he has higher motives these days. If he was still a follower of the GS principles he would still be a merchant banker and not be wasting his time in politics. That is my impression.

Set a thief to catch a thief !!!!

You should read Spycatcher nioka. Turntable received notable acclaim in his silky days for that. But unfortunately I don't have much faith in the man because of the practices of GS and their marketing of loss making mortgages to only bet against them and then ask for dole payments from the US public to bail them out. Talk about a conflict of interest/profiting from position etc... in the US housing market... woeful !!!

No thanks Turntable. You can keep your dodgy schemes out of our system. Go back to the private sector where you can hurt the people less.

 

[nioka]

I'm not sure you should blame capitalism for what is more likely an individual's personal greed and/or ignorance.


Whilst I don't ever remember not feeling the need to lock house or car, I share your regret at what seems like the loss of honour.

I don't think that you can blame the individuals greed if they left their worldy savings in the hands of a trusted financial institution only to find that the trust was misplaced. Remember these people were brought up with trust as a given and the bank manager was respected as being a pillar of society.

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I lived for 25 years in a house where there wasn't even a lockable front and back door.In fact the front door was hardly ever shut. The car I learnt to drive with had an ignition switch, no key.

 

[GumbyLearner]

I don't think that you can blame the individuals greed if they left their worldy savings in the hands of a trusted financial institution only to find that the trust was misplaced. Remember these people were brought up with trust as a given and the bank manager was respected as being a pillar of society.

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I lived for 25 years in a house where there wasn't even a lockable front and back door.In fact the front door was hardly ever shut. The car I learnt to drive with had an ignition switch, no key.

I noticed that your sig says "Think outside the square".

Well what I can say is without any secret handshakes or other ridiculous allegiances.

Be yourself and protect your hard-earned. Because what is presently being served up in Canberra sure won't.

 

[nioka]

I noticed that your sig says "Think outside the square".

Well what I can say is without any secret handshakes or other ridiculous allegiances.

Be yourself and protect your hard-earned. Because what is presently being served up in Canberra sure won't.

I'll continue to think outside the square and manage to live and prosper with whatever either side dishes up. I have a flexible plan. I also have a clear conscience and sleep well at night.

 

[noco]

The latest News Poll appears to be favouring Tony Abbott more and more each week.

On a two party preferred Coalition 51% up 5%
Labor 49% down 5%

Persoanl ratings Rudd 50% down 6%
Abbott 32% up 3%

Abbott has to do little while Rudd shoots himself in both feet.

At last the Australian public are starting to wake up to Rudd's spin. lies and back flips.

 

[Julia]

It's good to see the government being slammed in the polls and to have lost their first place, but my guess is that it reflects more dissatisfaction with Mr Rudd than any particular liking for Mr Abbott.

Mr Abbott should be taking every possible advantage of the government's fall from grace to start talking about a few of his own policies or he will quickly lose that advantage, given the government's capacity to politically pick itself up again.

 

[Calliope]

It's good to see the government being slammed in the polls and to have lost their first place, but my guess is that it reflects more dissatisfaction with Mr Rudd than any particular liking for Mr Abbott.

Mr Abbott should be taking every possible advantage of the government's fall from grace to start talking about a few of his own policies or he will quickly lose that advantage, given the government's capacity to politically pick itself up again.

I agree Julia. The polls show that they haven't warmed to Abbott. It is frustrating that the Coalition can't take advantage of Rudd's gutlessness which the media is now exposing daily. It has been clearly demonstrated that Rudd is no leader but just a cunning opportunist.

And yet Labor will win the election. The one to gain most from his exposure will be Ms Gillard and certainly not Turnbull who Rudd turned, and is now tainted.

 

[drsmith]

Mr Abbott should be taking every possible advantage of the government's fall from grace to start talking about a few of his own policies or he will quickly lose that advantage, given the government's capacity to politically pick itself up again.

The first bit of Henry Tax Review Malcolm Turnbull should be instructed to read is the resources rent tax. His skills should then be turned to negotiation with the miners.

The Coalition could gain much by reaching agreement on the detail of the RRT with the mining industry before the government does.

 

[Pivotonian]

nioka, I think there is a pretty good argument that the distortions caused by state interference in fact cause many of the problems with our system of "corrupt capitalism" as you put it. The Australian housing market and the US banking system being two recent examples of massive government intervention preventing a much needed correction and producing a worse longer term outcome as a result.

What makes us think that a bunch of government bureaucrats are better equipped to "manage" the economy than the market itself?

I'm not necessarily arguing for complete laissez-faire capitalism, but I am saying that had we let the market deal with the issues, the short term pain may have been even sharper but the long term result would have been much better. We had a massive boom, and every boom needs a proper bust to correct the distortions and return to "rationality". Like the Greeks right now, we didn't want to take our medicine and as a result we will end up paying a bigger price.

Nothing should ever be "too big to fail".

Oh, and there's no way I'm ever voting for Tony Abbott. The prospect of him being PM is about as scary as it gets.

 

[springhill]

This guy makes me ill, Abbott has Gillard on the ropes, she can't lay a glove on him and today Turnbull comes out and bags the Libs "Direct Action" plan. Must be good for Gillard to have her greatest ally in opposition camp.
What a self serving sack of ****.

 

[noco]

This guy makes me ill, Abbott has Gillard on the ropes, she can't lay a glove on him and today Turnbull comes out and bags the Libs "Direct Action" plan. Must be good for Gillard to have her greatest ally in opposition camp.
What a self serving sack of ****.

I were Abbott, I'd be telling Turnbull to either pull his head in or p..s off to the Labor side of politics.He is certainly not a team player. Perhaps Gillard put him up to it.

 

[Julia]

Agree entirely with both above.
However, Mr Turnbull is doing himself no favours with his behaviour. His colleagues and the electorate will be duly noting his egocentricity and lack of loyalty.

 

[Knobby22]

The conservatives in Britain have voted for massive climate action to a level of 50% less emmissions with the backing of big industry as England seeks to change its reliance on (old) energy and reduce its climate change footprint.

Malcolm knows this and is looking at his standing long term. He may succeed for it is not the hard right conservative idealogues that select the party in power as they always vote the same way.

We shall see if his judgement is good come the next election or whether Abbott method of following the Republican negativity model is successful. Abbot does have to his advantage a cabel of shock jocks willing to distort to support him but again I think they mainly preach to the hard right. You know in the USA, they have actors to be fake callers to push the point rather than real people, fortunately we have not lowered ourselves to this level.

Interesting times.

 

[sptrawler]

The conservatives in Britain have voted for massive climate action to a level of 50% less emmissions with the backing of big industry as England seeks to change its reliance on (old) energy and reduce its climate change footprint.

Malcolm knows this and is looking at his standing long term. He may succeed for it is not the hard right conservative idealogues that select the party in power as they always vote the same way.

We shall see if his judgement is good come the next election or whether Abbott method of following the Republican negativity model is successful. Abbot does have to his advantage a cabel of shock jocks willing to distort to support him but again I think they mainly preach to the hard right. You know in the USA, they have actors to be fake callers to push the point rather than real people, fortunately we have not lowered ourselves to this level.

Interesting times.

Well Knobby Englands answers should be interesting. I can see now why the push for a softening of the uranium mining ban.

 

[nioka]

Turnbull is a small L liberal that would attract those voters that only voted green so they didn't have to vote for Gillard or Abbott. He is more likely to get senate power that any of the others. He is a capitalist at heart and a damn good one at that. Abbott will be delighted with the precedent set by the NSW government regarding retrospective legislation and will be working out what he can do in that regard. He will have more non core promises than Costello ever thought possible. A drovers dog will defeat Gillard. It is long term and control of the Senate that should be the goal.

 

[springhill]

The conservatives in Britain have voted for massive climate action to a level of 50% less emmissions with the backing of big industry as England seeks to change its reliance on (old) energy and reduce its climate change footprint.

Is this even achievable? Or feel good politics? Was there a time frame for this? I doubt a realistic one.

You know in the USA, they have actors to be fake callers to push the point rather than real people, fortunately we have not lowered ourselves to this level.

I would not put the house on that.

 

[IFocus]

Turnbull has just said what the media wont and Abbott has been caught out but the show will go on and Abbott will take it as a free kick but it is possibly a sign to come once we get to 18 months out from a election.

The problem for Abbott is if a carbon tax is passed and the boats stop and the NBN is progressed to a point of no return he will become a nobody and the leadership will be up for grabs.

So hence all the shrill from a desperate man yes interesting times ahead.