Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[trainspotter]

"Tidur nyenyak semua dan mungkin kita memperoleh kebijaksanaan seperti yang kita usia".

Doth my eyes deceive me? Do I lay before me a wordsmith ?

"Sleep well all and may we gain wisdom as we age" in Indonesian? BAGUS SEKALI BAHASA INSONESIAN !!

"Jika Anda menjalankan dengan anjing berharap untuk bangun dengan kutu"

Impressive stuff. Guilty by the way .... IMO

 

[newbie trader]

Guilty by the way .... IMO

Guilty by way of fact.

 

[pilots]

On the first point, I'm not going to argue the point any further. You think your right, and I think I'm right. Even if there had been a motive for Schapelle to take drugs to Bali, and I don't believe there was, would she place the drugs in clear plastic bags, put these plastic bags on TOP of her boogie-board (no attempt to hide them), in an unlocked boogie-board bag, with her name on it, and attempt to take them to a country with the death penalty for drug trafficking? Would she then willingly open this bag to reveal them, without even being asked to do so by the Customs Officer? Would she then beg for every kind of investigation into her crime that she could think of, just to make sure that she really was found guilty? I don't think so!

Incidentally, did you check out the link on Aussie Gold that I provided?

On the second point, I did say COMMERCIAL quantities. I am well aware that there have been a few arrests of people over the years trying to take in small amounts for personal use, the most recent being Robert Mcjannett. He certainly made the news, just do a Google search and you will find plenty on him - see this link, one of many:
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/b...calls-in-addiction-doctors-20100331-reog.html

I don't have to check out what a reporter has said about Aussie gold, I have lived and worked in Indonesia, I have seen first hand how it works. Australian grass is up to six times more expensive than the local weed. Fact.
Now you say the sample they got was stolen, SO WHAT, why did the sister stop them from testing it, had they have got that to Australia or any other place, and the test said it came from south Australia, that would have been the end of it, BUT had the test said it came from Queensland, then she would have been in deeper poo than what she is in now. No matter what you say or do you won't get any help from the Australian Govt, she was busted with it.
When the customs officer asker her to open the bag, she said I AM IN TROUBLE AIN'T I, now what would make her say that??????????

 

[nulla nulla]

The marijuana was in two space bags, one within the other. With the air sucked out of these bags, they are significantly less bulky than when fully opened. As such, it would have been quite easy not to notice the extra bulk.

Secondly, it was her brother James who took the boogie-board bag to the Customs counter. Because the carry handle had been cut at some stage in the bag's journey to Bali, James dragged the bag to the counter. Because it was not his bag anyway, he would not have noticed whether it was heavier than before. The only opportunity that Schapelle had to notice the extra weight was in the two seconds it took her to pick it up and place it on the Customs counter. Even if she had noticed it then, it would have been too late anyway.

In my opinion this is crap. 4 Kilograms of marijuana would still be bulky even if it had been vacuum packed before being placed in the boogie bag.
Take 4 kilograms of butter or meat out of your fridge and see how bulky it is and feel the weight when you pick it up. This is not lead or gold which has a higher density/mass than plant material and would be low in bulk due to its' high mass density. It was marijuana, plant material.
A 4 kilo bag would be bulky and the additional weight in the boogie bag would be immediately noticeable.

 

[explod]

In my opinion this is crap. 4 Kilograms of marijuana would still be bulky even if it had been vacuum packed before being placed in the boogie bag.
Take 4 kilograms of butter or meat out of your fridge and see how bulky it is and feel the weight when you pick it up. This is not lead or gold which has a higher density/mass than plant material and would be low in bulk due to its' high mass density. It was marijuana, plant material.
A 4 kilo bag would be bulky and the additional weight in the boogie bag would be immediately noticeable.

Which is one of the reasons leading me to think she maybe innocent. If she knew anything about rustling, and by many of your accounts here she must have been big at it then she would not have been so obvious. I reckon she just had a nervous stammer when caught with the bag, probably thinking (but no time to think) of the implications for her Brother. And she has taken the rap. And us aussies do not dob.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Has anyone seen or heard of Honourable. It is 15mins shy of 24 hours since he last posted and he has many questions put to him that are as yet unanswered.

gg

 

[nulla nulla]

If she knew anything about rustling, and by many of your accounts here she must have been big at it then she would not have been so obvious..

Perhaps you you would be so kind as to provide several examples of the alleged "by many of your accounts" where I have made reference to "rustling".

I suspect you are generalising in respect of my posts in the same manner you appear to generalise in respect of the Scapelle Corby matter.

 

[explod]

Perhaps you you would be so kind as to provide several examples of the alleged "by many of your accounts" where I have made reference to "rustling".

I suspect you are generalising in respect of my posts in the same manner you appear to generalise in respect of the Scapelle Corby matter.

My error, smuggling is the word I wanted. I think the au*****ities in Indonesia were doing some pretty wild generalising, in fact the legal system there seems to be one big generalisation depending on who's paying. But was not having a go at you at all, if you think so then I am sorry for that.

There are no hearts it seems for the individual, Corby is on her own.

 

[Calliope]

And us aussies do not dob.

That's an amazing statement from someone who claims to be an ex-copper. If you had any connection with the police, you would know that the crime clean-up rate would be very low indeed without dobbers. The police are not very good at crime detection and have to rely heavily on informants.

 

[pilots]

That's an amazing statement from someone who claims to be an ex-copper. If you had any connection with the police, you would know that the crime clean-up rate would be very low indeed without dobbers. The police are not very good at crime detection and have to rely heavily on informants.

Yes a X copper we know told us that 90% of all drug busts come from opposition drug dealers, the best way to shut down your opposition is to DOB them in. Honorable, I have a lot more questions for you.

 

[explod]

That's an amazing statement from someone who claims to be an ex-copper. If you had any connection with the police, you would know that the crime clean-up rate would be very low indeed without dobbers. The police are not very good at crime detection and have to rely heavily on informants.

Yes and I never cease to be amazed at the misunderstanding of old Aussie codes. From the Syney Rum Corp days the Aussies stuck together through thick and thin.

And about crime clean up of drugs, can assure you that you know little of policing to say that. The drug dealing community is very tight indeed and the consequences of dobbing in this usually becomes a sorry end in itself.

Getting back to Corby, there is an instinct to protect family and friends and the video clips of her expression at the time confronted indicated to me she may have been in this mode. What I am putting up a wild ideas to ballance the wild ideas about the hangum mentality and understanding (it seems to me) of law in society today.

 

[pilots]

Honorable, We are going to Singapore tonight for a week, have got my bags all glad rapt, and I am going to ONLY hand Carry bags, don't want to be in the same boat as your friend. Talk to you when we get back.

 

[nulla nulla]

What I am putting up a wild ideas to ballance the wild ideas about the hangum mentality and understanding (it seems to me) of law in society today.

So I take it this is an admission that you are simply posting wild ideas to counter what you see as other peoples wild ideas and there is no substance to your protestations of her innocence.

 

[moXJO]

And about crime clean up of drugs, can assure you that you know little of policing to say that. The drug dealing community is very tight indeed and the consequences of dobbing in this usually becomes a sorry end in itself.

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That’s a crock of ****e. And yes I do know just how big a dobbers the Aussie crims are. Even bikies dob their own members in, on the sly.

 

[trainspotter]

Some interesting stuff here:- http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/03/04/1109700677359.html

Twelve hours later, when the bag was opened at Ngurah Rai Airport in Denpasar, it was found to contain the boogie board, flippers - and 4.1 kilograms of top-quality hydroponic marijuana in two plastic bags, one inside the other, the size of a pillow case, placed in front of the boogie board next to the opening flap. It was the local customs officers' biggest marijuana intercept. Within 24 hours, the local media had dubbed Corby the "Ganja Queen". "They think she's beautiful," an interpreter said. "They're fascinated."

Shocked, at times tearful, Corby said she had never seen the marijuana before. She insisted it must have been inserted in her luggage during transit. So any video images showing the boogie board bag's size and shape while it was in Corby's care were important. Her defence lawyers asked for them. But the closed circuit TV at the Brisbane Qantas check-in was experiencing problems and any images recorded that morning were wiped 25 days later.

The weights of the bags were not individually recorded but together they totalled 65 kilograms. The four bags were recorded in Corby's name, the four tags clipped onto her boarding pass cover. The weight of these bags when they were checked in and their weight on arrival in Bali was crucial evidence to test Corby's claim. In Bali, customs and police ignored it.

Very odd to say the least ??

 

[explod]

So I take it this is an admission that you are simply posting wild ideas to counter what you see as other peoples wild ideas and there is no substance to your protestations of her innocence.

I do not say she is innocent at all, she has been tried and convicted. I just think the panalty is over the top and those that do not think so are a bit over the top also. And good crims and dealers do not dob unless there is a trade off.

I do not think Corby was a good crim and I do think she could have been trying to cover for her brother, but that's just my take.

 

[nunthewiser]

I have deleted my original post as some of it was no one elses business.

The crux of it was

explod, was you in the lost property office whilst serving as a police officer ?

please get your facts right when it comes to police detection methods and various groups of criminals.

 

[explod]

I have deleted my original post as some of it was no one elses business.

The crux of it was

explod, was you in the lost property office whilst serving as a police officer ?

please get your facts right when it comes to police detection methods and various groups of criminals.

And I still think that is insulting and prepared to take action on it unless we have a reasonable retraction

 

[nunthewiser]

And she has taken the rap. And us aussies do not dob.

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And about crime clean up of drugs, can assure you that you know little of policing to say that. The drug dealing community is very tight indeed and the consequences of dobbing in this usually becomes a sorry end in itself.

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And I still think that is insulting and prepared to take action on it unless we have a reasonable retraction

No retraction.

do as you wish.

Personally finding your unfactual storys and personal opinions which you attempt to pass off as facts rather insulting on my intelligence.

have a good day , ive said my bit . do as you wish, this thread a waste of typespace.

 

[explod]

No retraction.

do as you wish.

Personally finding your unfactual storys and personal opinions which you attempt to pass off as facts rather insulting on my intelligence.

have a good day , ive said my bit . do as you wish, this thread a waste of typespace.

It is a discussion forum where opinions should be ecouraged. In regard to police statements I would like a clear explanation of what is unfactual.

Of course many live in a cloistered nice world and do not swant that to be disturbed. The Corby case is in my view disturbing in regard to the long penalty to say the least. If I've strayed a bit due to my emotion over that then I am sorry but make no apologies either.

She was once someones child and her failure down the track is a failure on the part of us all as a society.