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Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

Considering the latest news, do you believe Schapelle Corby is innocent?

  • No, not any more

    Votes: 49 13.0%
  • No, never have

    Votes: 184 48.7%
  • Yes, always have and still do

    Votes: 80 21.2%
  • I don't care. Show me the stocks!

    Votes: 65 17.2%

  • Total voters
    378
your readiness to overlook or side step the facts in your pursuit of your goal

Reality and the facts will not get in the way of your campaign to fight the false cause of this girl

tried in a ligitimate court in a sovereign country, found guilty (despite the court bending over backwards to hear evidence and wild conjecture and hearsay from all the conspiracy theorists) and sentenced.

It really is time to accept the facts and move on.

All the bleating in the world is not going to change the facts.

Nulla Nulla, please tell me which 'facts' you are referring to. Would it be the BULLDUST 'facts' that you, and every other Australian, have been deliberately and systematically fed by the main stream media, since just before Schapelle's verdict to the present day?

My support for Schapelle is based on the fact that she is a dear friend of mine, who I "love like a daughter." I also support her because she is innocent, is seriously mentally ill (despite what Channel 9 tried to convince you all of to the contrary, two nights ago), and because she needs to be released from prison very soon, or she will commit suicide.

My total belief in her innocence is based on the fact that I know her well enough to know that she didn't do it, I know her brothers well enough to know that they didn't do it, and on the mountain of REAL facts that me and my fellow supporters have uncovered in our YEARS of research.

So, with respect, it is you who are ignoring the facts, facts that you may not even be aware of.

If you wish to enlighten yourself, I invite you to check out the following article: http://schapellecorby-simbasgoogleb...03/why-i-support-schapelle-corby-why-you.html

As for the court bending over backwards to hear evidence, well I'm sorry, but this is simply not the case. They dismissed the testimony of all Schapelle's witnesses, including her sworn statement, they denied fingerprinting of the plastic bags, they denied forensic testing of the drugs, the Bali Police refused to weigh Schapelle's bags so a comparison could be made with the checked-in weight. They also denied access to CCTV footage from Denpasar Airport which would have corroborated Schapelle's version of events, in relation to what actually happened, and what was actually said, when the drugs were discovered in her bag.

The only evidence they took any notice of was the testimony of two Customs Officers and two Police Officers who were in the airport at the time. Their principle witness had a very poor command of English, and the two Police Officers could not even speak English, yet they were all very sure of what Schapelle had 'said', even though they would have had NO idea what she said.

Those on the panel of three Judges had never acquitted a defendant in their entire careers, so the chances that they would break with tradition and find Schapelle innocent, especially when they were ignoring all the evidence in favour of her innocence, was essentially zero!

Check out this song, if you wish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MI5eF8sfgY
 
I was under the impression her father is deceased.
Your battles on her behalf are admirable.

What other causes do you support?

gg

Yes, her father died of cancer on the 17th January 2008. He fought his illness for several years in a vain attempt to see Schapelle walk free before he died, but the injustice of her 20 year sentence won out in the end.

I am sponsoring two children overseas, one in Mexico and one in Kenya.

I also support a number of animal welfare and environmental organisations - IFAW, WWF, RSPCA, Animals Asia, Greenpeace and Oceanic Research. I regularly "Click to Donate" on the Care2 site and sign any Care2 petitions that I consider deserve my support.

What causes do you support?
 
Yes, her father died of cancer on the 17th January 2008. He fought his illness for several years in a vain attempt to see Schapelle walk free before he died, but the injustice of her 20 year sentence won out in the end.

I am sponsoring two children overseas, one in Mexico and one in Kenya.

I also support a number of animal welfare and environmental organisations - IFAW, WWF, RSPCA, Animals Asia, Greenpeace and Oceanic Research. I regularly "Click to Donate" on the Care2 site and sign any Care2 petitions that I consider deserve my support.

What causes do you support?

Honourable, the more I get to know you the more I get a warm feeling about you, I can't describe it any better, I'm even unsure which of the five senses its coming through.

I am not as honourable as you Honourable, I support the GGWF, the GGRF and the GGIF, three funds I set up in the days when the ATO were less punitive than they are now, to advance causes close to my heart.

You certainly are one for causes.

What first attracted you to fighting the good fight for Ms.Corby.

Was it before or after after Schapelle's father went to the great One in the sky.

Did you know her father or was it just the injustice you felt had been perpetrated on his daughter, or was it when he developed cancer and couldn't survive the 20 year sentence placed on her by the Indonesian Justice system, and the cancer then won out in the end, leaving you to carry on the fight, or was it before that?

gg
 
What first attracted you to fighting the good fight for Ms.Corby.

Was it before or after after Schapelle's father went to the great One in the sky.

Did you know her father or was it just the injustice you felt had been perpetrated on his daughter, or was it when he developed cancer and couldn't survive the 20 year sentence placed on her by the Indonesian Justice system, and the cancer then won out in the end, leaving you to carry on the fight, or was it before that?

gg

In the early days of Schapelle's incarceration, I supported the family by donating money to their trust fund, something which I still do. It was when I first read Schapelle's book - "Schapelle Corby - My Story" (now entitled "No More Tomorrows" in the UK and US) that I felt compelled to become an active supporter. Since then it has occupied practically all of my spare time.

I have now read Schapelle's book 5 times, and have read Tony Wilson's book - "Schapelle - The Facts, The Evidence, The Truth," twice. Additionally, I have read thousands of posts on various forums, websites and blogs, and conducted independent Internet research.

The other organisations that I support (International Fund for Animal Welfare, World Wildlife Fund, Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals etc), I support financially only. I simply would not have the time to support them actively as well.

Yes, I did know Schapelle's father. As I have said already, I have known the family for 25 years.

Schapelle's father was dying from cancer before Schapelle's arrest in Bali. In fact, she was the family member living with him and caring for him at the time. She went to Bali simply to have a two week break from this very stressful task, and to help her sister Mercedes celebrate her 30th birthday. She certainly didn't go over there to create history by being the first and only person, ever, to import a commercial quantity of drugs into Indonesia from Australia.
Mercedes was over in Bali with her Balinese husband for a few months, giving their young children a taste of Balinese life before returning to Australia to live, and give their children an Australian education.

So, I was fighting for Schapelle's freedom before her father died, and I continue to fight for it now.
 
Well Honourable, it is good to have a cause to fight for, but you are in a significant minority because everything I have heard and read about this case is at a wide variance with your view of it.

I would however defend your right to express those views but your description of these past events is one with which I cannot agree.

gg
 
Nulla Nulla, please tell me which 'facts' you are referring to. Would it be the BULLDUST 'facts' that you, and every other Australian, have been deliberately and systematically fed by the main stream media, since just before Schapelle's verdict to the present day?

My support for Schapelle is based on the fact that she is a dear friend of mine, who I "love like a daughter." I also support her because she is innocent, is seriously mentally ill (despite what Channel 9 tried to convince you all of to the contrary, two nights ago), and because she needs to be released from prison very soon, or she will commit suicide.

My total belief in her innocence is based on the fact that I know her well enough to know that she didn't do it, I know her brothers well enough to know that they didn't do it, and on the mountain of REAL facts that me and my fellow supporters have uncovered in our YEARS of research.

So, with respect, it is you who are ignoring the facts, facts that you may not even be aware of.

If you wish to enlighten yourself, I invite you to check out the following article: http://schapellecorby-simbasgoogleb...03/why-i-support-schapelle-corby-why-you.html

As for the court bending over backwards to hear evidence, well I'm sorry, but this is simply not the case. They dismissed the testimony of all Schapelle's witnesses, including her sworn statement, they denied fingerprinting of the plastic bags, they denied forensic testing of the drugs, the Bali Police refused to weigh Schapelle's bags so a comparison could be made with the checked-in weight. They also denied access to CCTV footage from Denpasar Airport which would have corroborated Schapelle's version of events, in relation to what actually happened, and what was actually said, when the drugs were discovered in her bag.

The only evidence they took any notice of was the testimony of two Customs Officers and two Police Officers who were in the airport at the time. Their principle witness had a very poor command of English, and the two Police Officers could not even speak English, yet they were all very sure of what Schapelle had 'said', even though they would have had NO idea what she said.

Those on the panel of three Judges had never acquitted a defendant in their entire careers, so the chances that they would break with tradition and find Schapelle innocent, especially when they were ignoring all the evidence in favour of her innocence, was essentially zero!

Check out this song, if you wish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MI5eF8sfgY

And it goes on and on.
 
Honourable, I could not under stand why when they had some of the drugs, that she was caught with, that it was not sent away for forensic testing, had this of be done we would have known if the drugs came from Queensland or some other place. Now as you have had your finger on the pulse from the start of this case could you tell me who or WHY this testing did not go ahead?? Thanks..
 
There is a long history of people falling in love with jail-birds, even mass murderers. The jail-birds are is quite happy to use them for their own purposes.

There was a woman in a wheelchair in Qld some years ago who fell in love with a mass murderer. He led her on and they even got married. Her campaign eventually got him an early release, but to be deported. Of course as soon as he got out he gave her the big A.
 
Honourable, I could not under stand why when they had some of the drugs, that she was caught with, that it was not sent away for forensic testing, had this of be done we would have known if the drugs came from Queensland or some other place. Now as you have had your finger on the pulse from the start of this case could you tell me who or WHY this testing did not go ahead?? Thanks..

Honorable, I note in your Blog that you said no one takes Drugs to Bali as you can get them cheaper in Bali than in Australia, WRONG, WRONG. The cost of Australian Drugs in Bali can be up to six time more than the local drugs cost. All so you must be very careful who you buy Drugs from in Bali, you can be set up very easy. All of the expats who live in Bali will tell you the safest way to buy Drugs it to ONLY deal with a Expat, one who live in Bali is the best to deal with. The company that I worked for still has a staff house in Bali, I see many of the works who still work in Indonesia, the Drug trade is alive and well, AND VERY COMPETITIVE, they don't like any new kids starting up.
 
you are in a significant minority because everything I have heard and read about this case is at a wide variance with your view of it.

Yes, those like me who say that Schapelle Corby is innocent, and that her family were not involved in the drug trade, are in the minority these days. This is all thanks to a media smear campaign against Schapelle and her family which is unprecedented in Australian history.

Gandhi once said, "Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. An error does not become the truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it."

Have you ever read "Schapelle Corby - My Story" by Schapelle & Kathryn Bonella - Schapelle's side of the story? Have you ever extended her that courtesy before forming your opinion about her?

Have you ever read "Schapelle, The Facts, The Evidence, The Truth" by Tony Wilson, a former chief police reporter for the Melbourne Sun News Pictorial and the Gold Coast Bulletin?

Even though I have no doubt about Schapelle's innocence, I have made it my business to keep abreast of what the media is saying and I have a large archive of press releases going back years. My opinion is, therefore, based on an appraisal of ALL the information available, both for and against.
 
There is a long history of people falling in love with jail-birds

Calliope, I never said that I have fallen IN love with Schapelle, I merely said that I love her like a daughter.

Every ardent supporter of Schapelle loves her, because those who know her, know what a lovely, selfless and compassionate person she is - not the drug smuggling bitch that most of you think she is.

We also admire her strength and courage in facing up to the horrors she has been subjected to, for as long as she has. However, her strength and resolve is waning, she is hanging on by a thread, and she simply must be sent home soon.
 
Yes, those like me who say that Schapelle Corby is innocent, and that her family were not involved in the drug trade, are in the minority these days. This is all thanks to a media smear campaign against Schapelle and her family which is unprecedented in Australian history.

Ever heard of Lindy Chamberlain? Innocent incarcerated under a trial by media .... sounds familiar? In this instance she was actually innocent ... or was she? Anyways .... The mistake Schapelle made was that she was not with Indonesian Economics Minister, Aburizal Bakrie son just like Michelle Leslie who only got 3 months for posession of two ecstasy tablets whilst in Bali. You remember her? The one who wore a burqa to court and announced she was a practicing Muslim for years .... once released she was back to the tight fitting clothes and party girl lifestyle. Smart girl with very good advisers on how to work the media to your favour. I think the rather large donation to the arresting officers families to offer vague and conflicting reports of the incident probably helped as well.
 
Yes, those like me who say that Schapelle Corby is innocent, and that her family were not involved in the drug trade, are in the minority these days. This is all thanks to a media smear campaign against Schapelle and her family which is unprecedented in Australian history.

Agree with you honourable. The other matter that does disturb me is that few people care for anything outside their own circle and a lot of comments on this thread confirms that.
 
Honourable, I could not under stand why when they had some of the drugs, that she was caught with, that it was not sent away for forensic testing, had this of be done we would have known if the drugs came from Queensland or some other place. Now as you have had your finger on the pulse from the start of this case could you tell me who or WHY this testing did not go ahead?? Thanks..

This is the thing that bugged me too
 
Honourable, I could not under stand why when they had some of the drugs, that she was caught with, that it was not sent away for forensic testing, had this of be done we would have known if the drugs came from Queensland or some other place. Now as you have had your finger on the pulse from the start of this case could you tell me who or WHY this testing did not go ahead?? Thanks..

Pilots - why were the drugs not forensically tested? Good question.

Pollen testing of the marijuana could have determined where it was grown. Forensic testing of any skin fragments or hair found amongst the drugs could have determined the identity of the person who packed the drugs.

As such, had Schapelle really been guilty, she was taking a great risk when she signed an authorisation allowing the Australian Federal Police to forensically test the drugs. In a case like this, the AFP's brief is to assist the Prosecution, not the Defense. As such, it would have been very much to the Prosecution's advantage to have these tests conducted. Had Schapelle been guilty, these tests would have proved it conclusively.

Strangely though, the Bali Police refused to allow the AFP to have a sample of the drugs for testing, and did not conduct any tests themselves.

Why they refused to hand over a sample of the drugs to the AFP, why the AFP didn't object, why the Australian government didn't object, and why all the drugs were later burnt, before Schapelle's avenues of appeal were exhausted, in contravention of International law which requires at least a sample of evidence to be preserved, are questions to which we have never received satisfactory answers.

We have chased answers to these questions from the AFP, the DFAT, and the Attorney General's Department, utilising the the Commonwealth Ombudsman, and have come up against a brick wall in every case.

So, the question everyone should be asking is, who is covering up what?
 
So, the question everyone should be asking is, who is covering up what?

Only a stab in the dark and just my wild theory.

AFP looking for brownie points due to other matters going against them. Those looking after AFP wanting good media for elections coming up, the zero tolerance squeaky clean image had been working a treat up to that time.

And if we think of the do not care attitudes we have amongst us here, it fits. That's probably why the K may not want to interfere either. Election coming up and Corby guilty by media, what a shocking woman she must be.

Come Sunday we can smile for the camera and all forgiven, repent and you are absolved from you sins my Son
 
Honorable, I note in your Blog that you said no one takes Drugs to Bali as you can get them cheaper in Bali than in Australia, WRONG, WRONG.

Pilots, Australia is a drug importing nation, not a drug exporting one. Drugs are brought into Indonesia from a number of other countries, and the people doing it are often caught, as the book "Hotel Kerobokan" by Kathryn Bonella clearly shows. Australians do, however, bring drugs into Australia, the attempt by the Bali 9 to do so, being a classic case.

If commercial quantities of drugs were regularly coming into Indonesia from Australia, it stands to reason that there would have been more arrests for this offense. And yet, Schapelle's arrest is the only one recorded, in history. There have been none before, or since.

The suggestion that Australian marijuana is available in Bali, and much sought after by Westerners, is a myth, created by a journalist called Matthew Moore, who wrote a piece on the 26th May 2005 for "The Age" newspaper entitled - Why Australian Marijuana is a Big Hit in Bali. It was deliberately written to convince the Australian public that Schapelle had a motive to take marijuana there.

While investigating for his book "Schapelle - The Facts, The Evidence, The Truth," Tony Wilson went to the back streets of Kuta one night and got amongst the drugs dealers to ask them about Australian marijuana (Aussie Gold). Some dealers soon disappeared after offering him various drugs, but five dealers agreed to talk to him. This is what he says in his book:

All of them told me they had never heard of hydroponically grown Australian marijuana with its trademark big seed heads being smuggled into Bali.

"That's bull, man. If that type of weed was on the market, then we'd know about it," said one dealer.

All the dealers I spoke to said they had not previously heard of Schapelle Corby or her sister Mercedes. "We have talked amongst ourselves since Corby was arrested, and we don't know them."

I also spoke to a number of expats and foreigners who had lived in Bali for lengthy periods and they also doubted the 'super dope' theory. "You would have to bring in heaps to cover your costs from Australia and look at the risks you would face with each shipment to a country that has the death penalty for drug offences, and uses it," said Dave, formerly of Melbourne, but then a three-year Kuta resident.

Check out this link: http://mooresaussiegold.blogspot.com/
 
Honarable, Sorry mate but you have got it VERY WRONG. The company that I used to work for still have a staff house in Bali, they have up to ten Expats staying in it 50% of the time, now some of the young ones do dabble in drugs, you cant stop them, they can tell you that for years the local grass is jungle grown, the Gold from Aussie has ten times more THC in it, MORE bang for your dollar, I have crew changed many many times in Bali, IT IS TRUE.
Now only last week some Dhead was caught trying to take Drugs in to Bali, LOTS of people have been caught doing it, its just that not all of them end up in the news.
Getting anything in to Bali is EASY, all you have to do is pay the right people.
Now as to the testing of the Drugs, the Corby team had samples of the Drug she was caught with, why did they not test it????????????
 
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