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Atlas79 said:
You brought it up by spouting off in ignorance. "All people are born good" is factually incorrect. Like it, hate it, whatever, there's no need for opinion on it, that's the fact.

Maybe you should share you cure for psychopathy with the relevant authorities? They'd be delighted to hear from you I'm sure.
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You have not read it properly, good and instinctively good is not the same. Instinct is something as Yung pointed out that comes through the genes, it is our propensity to certain behaviour. However this is not going to be realised without the right social setting, as a seed cannot grow without the right soil, sun and moisture.

Again however, what you counter with has nothing to do with the wrongs of the Papacy
 
“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

-Robert Heinlein
 
Two priests are standing side by side at the urinal in the Vatican toilets, answering a call of nature.

One of the priests glances down and notices that the other priest is wearing a nicotine patch on his member.

"Trying to quit, are you"? he asks the priest.

To which the second priest replies "Yes I am."

The first priest says "Well, those nicotine patches are meant to be worn on your arm or shoulder - it's not going to work if you wear it on your member."

The second priest answers "Well actually it's working quite well - I've already cut back to four butts a day".
 
Atlas79 said:
“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

-Robert Heinlein
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Are you in that metaphor suggesting that some people are less than others. This is one of the important issues that the thrust of Dawkins and his followers seek to point out for attention.

The changes if they are possible will not come from gurus, they will come from gradual changes in community attitudes through more equality in education so that people can make objective free choices. Our role should be to try and do what is right, spread it, and hope that others also pick up the reins.

However the closed shop of the Papacy is of no help whatsoever from what I can see.
 
Explod, you are making the mistake of thinking that Atlas is capable of rational thought. A cursory look at his rantings will show that he is talking nonsense and what's more I think he knows he is talking nonsense. He fancies himself as a clown.

To take his posts seriously will only encourage him. Ignore him and he, like all show-offs, will pull his head in. A clown without an audience is a nobody.
 
spooly74 said:
LMAO

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Its beautiful, isnt it? :D but I was talking about donations for helping the poor with Dawkins Foundation
 

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weird said:
This whole attack on Catholic, is pathetic. No ads on TV, no hard sell, no brain washing. Should we appear more susceptible ?
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Sorry, caught this thread late, but am absolutley shocked that this could be left to go through to the keeper.

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I just don't know where to start, so I am not going to even start! :banghead:
 
bellenuit said:
I wonder what Jesus would say if he saw it. I doubt if he would approve.
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Well his father can see it, but he doesn't seem too concerned. Or perhaps he has become more tolerant than he was in the old days. when he would have put the slipper in for breaking the second commandment.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
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bellenuit said:
I wonder what Jesus would say if he saw it. I doubt if he would approve.
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I think Jesus knows the help and time that the Catholic Church puts towards helping people worldwide.

It took them years for people to build these beautiful Cathedrals and still I look at them in wonder in how they did it : )
 
bunyip said:
Tink

I have a couple of questions that I hope you have time to answer. They're not loaded questions that are designed to trap you - I'm genuinely interested in hearing your views on this, seeing as you're a practising Catholic.

My view is that popes, this one and all those before him, are nothing special as people, and for the life of me I've never been able to understand why they get such adulation and hero worship among Catholics.

My questions to you are....

* Do you, as a practising Catholic, go along with all the adulation and hero worship that millions of Catholics shower on the pope?

* Do you absolutely revere him like so many or your fellow Catholics do?

* Do you understand what they see in him?

* Or do you, in all honesty, wonder what all the fuss is about when it comes to Catholics' attitudes towards the pope?
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Frank D said:
Democracy is itself, a religious faith. For some it comes close to being
the only formal religion they have. Hence, why Krudd and other leaders
like Obama are worshipped, even though it makes no sense at all.

Sport is itself, a religious faith. For some it comes close to being the
only formal religion they have. Hence why Sports people are
worshipped.

The same can be said of the Pope.

Faith is a powerful thing and it's the foundation of humanity, whether
it's religious or not.
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Regarding your questions Bunyip, sorry took me so long. I think Frank has answered that one perfectly

I think I mentioned to you last time about the World Youth Day and how the atmosphere with the Pope was just wonderful. The peace and the gatherings of all faiths, not just Catholics, peaceful, friendly - was just the best.

I dont think I Hero Worship, but I see the Pope as a messenger of Peace, and where he walks, helping people - its just a nice feeling

I do enjoy watching his mass services, I know you wont understand that one : )
 
Tink said:
I think Jesus knows the help and time that the Catholic Church puts towards helping people worldwide.
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I hope he is also aware that the Papal attitude to contraception is responsoble for the deaths of thousands of Catholics in third world countries each year through AIDS and malnutrition.

I also doubt that these people will ever have the opportunity to join in tours of these cathedrals and "look at them in wonder". If they do, they may wonder why the church is more interested in material things than spiritual things.
 
It's pretty stupid - but funny - for non believers to try and use verses from the bible in a lame attempt to highlight a perceived aspect of a believers double standard.

A: they have no understanding of what the scripture they're using means, and

B; they look clumsy doing it

It's like watching some homonculous or something falling around with a massive sword trying to use it.
 
Fishbulb said:
It's pretty stupid - but funny - for non believers to try and use verses from the bible in a lame attempt to highlight a perceived aspect of a believers double standard.
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This is not scripture, but sound advice for anyone who may be tempted to respond to your nonsense posts;

Never argue with an idiot. They will only pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience
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Fishbulb said:
It's pretty stupid - but funny - for non believers to try and use verses from the bible in a lame attempt to highlight a perceived aspect of a believers double standard.

A: they have no understanding of what the scripture they're using means, and

B; they look clumsy doing it

It's like watching some homonculous or something falling around with a massive sword trying to use it.
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Fishbulb,as usual you are talking nonsense. this is the sort of sweeping generalisation we have all come to expect of you. It's a juvenile tactic people resort to when they know their argument has no legs and they have nothing useful to offer but still try and defend their position.

You don't have to be religious to understand the bible. Many of the worlds great bible scholars are non-believers

Most religious people have never read and have no understanding of the bible or the messages therein. They are content to believe the puerile mash fed to them by their priests.

Have you read the bible?? Do you understand everything in it?? No? I am sure your mother taught you about glass houses and throwing stones!
 
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