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MACCA350 said:
The topic is not an April fools joke as it's been discussed in the media prior to April 1st.

Is that particular article is intended as an April fools joke, I doubt it and if it were it's a pretty lame attempt, not everything published on April 1st is an April fools joke.

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Agree, screw getting up next year then, everything, absolutely everything must be a joke if its on April 1st. :D :rolleyes:

Poor suckers who think its a joke....what was it again, oh yeah...One must fear for their trading accounts as well as their poor opinions. :p::D

Fact that the news sites posted it before and after the 1st, and that the Editor on that blog still commenting today saying hes been on Melbourne, Sydney and Perth radio about the issue kinda makes me think its not a joke, if it is, its VERY well thought out and planned I must say...and just a little bit lame ;)
 
Lets all lighten up a bit.

If its an April fools joke, its a good one.

If its not, it will never get up.

gg
 
Something that should get up is a $5 fee for all shoppers that use plastic to purchase under $50 of goods with the proceeds acculumated and given to the first person that pays cash.

That way shoppers would move through supermarket checkouts quicker.
 
drsmith said:
Something that should get up is a $5 fee for all shoppers that use plastic to purchase under $50 of goods with the proceeds acculumated and given to the first person that pays cash.

That way shoppers would move through supermarket checkouts quicker.
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Paying for plastic bags and especially not being supplied with any really annoys me no end. I mean if they don't supply bags for me to carry purchased goods they should carry the lot to my car!!

I've asked attendants a few times and been told their plastic bags are actually biodegradable, so the whole reason we are forced to pay is negated.

The only reason outlets have jumped on this is the cash they save........nothing more

cheers
 
There is some merit in having bikes registered.

Safety of brakes and body could be checked and there would be more pressure to keep bikes properly maintained, as well as general knowledge of road rules and regulations could be examined.

As it is now, even if all bike riders have driver’s license, they seem to have immunity to traffic lights, they ride on the road and footpath at their discretion and many behave as centre of the universe with total disregard for inconvenience that their actions might cause for other also legitimate footpath or road users.

If motorists can be fined for excessively too low speed for the road markings, I think that cyclists could be more mindful of other road users if they cannot achieve marked .

I for example do not execute my sacred cow status as cyclist, mainly because I fear for being accidentally killed, but also being mindful comes to my mind.
 
drsmith said:
Something that should get up is a $5 fee for all shoppers that use plastic to purchase under $50 of goods with the proceeds acculumated and given to the first person that pays cash.

That way shoppers would move through supermarket checkouts quicker.
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That's a bit over the top, isn't it? Lots of people just don't like to carry cash.
Some who have trouble with holding on to money simply don't trust themselves with the cash.
How long does it take for the credit card purchase to process? I'd say 20 secs top, especially with a chip and using a PIN.
Besides, by using the plastic you have free credit for a month.
 
Happy said:
As it is now, even if all bike riders have driver’s license, they seem to have immunity to traffic lights, they ride on the road and footpath at their discretion and many behave as centre of the universe with total disregard for inconvenience that their actions might cause for other also legitimate footpath or road users.
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Had a few beers tonight with a traffic cop mate that lives a few streets away.

I brought up the subject of bikes etc, some very interesting stories resulted.

He nabbed a bogan on a bike about a month ago for running a red light, turns out this bogan dropkick was on a bike because he had lost his driver's licence for numerous speeding and running red light offences.

The SA police have actually got a few people in civvies riding around beach areas and other popular areas on weekends and around school zones etc during the week.
Apparently those 4WD Mums dropping off their precious little offspring are not faring to well in some of the basics of road safety (anyone surprised ?).

Another rocket scientist in a 4WD driving with two wheels in a bike lane and with a couple of kids yelling (obviously prompted) at the two guys on bikes got a little surprise when she got pulled over by a patrol car and held until the two bikes caught up may now have a different view on road behaviour :D

I described to him some of comments by an earlier poster on this thread, he said he would love to meet you with a view to re-writing your horoscope but that it may be in your best interests to stay on the eastern side of the nanny state border :D
 
Julia said:
That's a bit over the top, isn't it? Lots of people just don't like to carry cash.
Some who have trouble with holding on to money simply don't trust themselves with the cash.
How long does it take for the credit card purchase to process? I'd say 20 secs top, especially with a chip and using a PIN.
Besides, by using the plastic you have free credit for a month.
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It is but since this is a whinge thread.....

When queuing at the checkout I always seem to cop the person in front that for the purchase of $10 worth of goods they swipe the card, type pin, transaction rejected, opps, sorry, wrong card, try this one, start process again, perform transaction and then halfway through decide they would like some cash out as well, redo transaction, sign receipt and by that stage there's a queue 10 deep at the checkout.

Perhaps a $5 fee where the initial transaction is rejected (or a change is initiated by the customer) might be sufficient. ;)
 
drsmith said:
... since this is a whinge thread.....
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We can probably have CASH ONLY checkout with indicated FEE for card customers, so if they want, they can avoid the fee and cash customers can avoid card queue or at least make calculated decision if it is worth to go to card line.

Having said that, I would hate to see fee for cash payment in CARD line! :)
 
In most states, if not all, the cost of administering the motor vehicle registration system for cars is greater than the revenue received. So it is not a revenue raising exercise - the benefit comes from the tie-in to CTP, mandatory inspections and crime detection/prevention. These are social/community benefits and it is hard to put a monetary value on them but we generally accept that they are worth the administrative costs of the system.

The administrative costs of a bicycle registration system would almost certainly outweigh the revenue raised so unless the the social benefits of such a system are considerable and obvious then no politician would seriously consider it (except of course those politicians in opposition who know they will not have responsibility for the system and are merely pandering to populist sentiment and the shock jocks).

Cyclists may cause some occasional inconvenience to us at times but it is fairly minor in the overall context of things and registration is hardly likely to affect it.

Some psychological research has indicated that a primary cause of motorist irritation to cyclists is because a cyclist assuming/asserting his right to a piece of the road upsets the "pecking order" value system held by some motorists where status is determined by the type/power/etc of the car.
 
A simple system for licencing cyclists

In WA children under the age of 12 can ride legally on the footpath so to get from A to B they can use the same facilities as pedestrians.

A licencing system would therefore need to cater for those aged 12 and over.

Where a person all ready has a motor vehicle this would also be their cyclist's licence. Their only requirement is that they would need to have that licence with them when they are on their bike as they do when driving a car.

For the remainder (mostly older school children) licences would need to be obtained by the time they turn 12. This could be done through the school, free of charge and in one lot for each class where the students are turning 12 that year. Such a licence would be valid for 6 years (until the child turns 18) and should then be renewable for a nominal fee if that person has not by that time acquired a drivers licence. As with adults, children 12 and over would be expected to carry their licence with them when riding a bike.

Fines and demerit points for infringements could then be administered in the same way as for other road users. In the case of a minor their licence would therefore need to contain the details of their parents/legal gardian(s) for the payment of fines.

A licenced rider should always be able to ride a bike on the road (no upper limit to demerit points for push bikes) but minors who attract enough demerit points to prevent them from going for their drivers licence at minimum age should wait until those demerits have fallen below that threshold (if you can't obay the rules of the road on a bike then how are you going to do it in a car ?).
 
and registering bicycles will improve cyclist behaviour how exactly?
there's not enough police around now to control hoon motorists...

non cyclists need to understand several things:
- it is legal for cyclists to dominate a lane.
- cyclists have taken to dominating lanes because it many motorists drive aggressively and carelessly past single cyclists, side swiping them or trying to run them off the road.

- I ride a road bike in a peloton frequently, and it is a weekly occurance for twit motorists to blow their horn and get all incensed because a peloton took up the whole lane.....at the speed limit!!!!! How many times have I been out before 6am on a Sunday morning to have some redneck in a ute with trade tools in back, yell abuse, blow horn, spit etc, only to pull up 2km up the road to get the morning paper or milk.

Critics of cyclists en masse need to understand that it is motorists who are breaking the law in an unsafe manner the majority of the time. If the law controlled motorists as they are supposed to, then cyclists wouldn't have to take protective measures, like riding in large packs. When motorists think a cyclist is fair game to play chicken with, or run off the road, they show how pathologically stupid they are, in that they are prepared to fracture someone's pelvis, ribs, wrists, legs, so they can get their carton of milk 10 seconds quicker.

Let's face it. Many motorists use the roads to compensate their egos and sense of powerlessness at home, work, in relationships, etc. And most break the speed limit for want of not being smart enough to organzie their time better.

I consider I always ride in a safe and courteous manner, and never break road rules.

The rule to make people register their bikes is a stupid reaction by impractical lounge lizards. Most of the cyclists I see break the road rules are poorly parented school kids and bmx bandits flitting around inner suburbs. The police already have the powers to fine cyclists who break road rules, just as they have the power to fine motorists.

edit: the reason cyclists wear bright colored lycra is to be seen earlier by inattentive motorists, and to stop clothing getting caught in the bicycle, or on vehicles that think it is funny to drive as close as they can to 'scare' cyclists. Also tighter lycra doesn't flap in the wind either, so allows a cyclist to hear better what is happening around them.
 
SusanW said:
non cyclists need to understand several things:
- it is legal for cyclists to dominate a lane.
- cyclists have taken to dominating lanes because it many motorists drive aggressively and carelessly past single cyclists, side swiping them or trying to run them off the road.
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Might be legal for them to do so, but crikey, are they on a death wish?

Car or Truck versus Bicycle - no questions about who's going to come off second best.

I ride a treadly every morning to the beach. I never under any circumstances attempt to dominate a lane. They don't call them deadly treadlies for no reason.

Yes I wear lycra - a lycra rash vest :D
 
Pity that cyclists are given so many rights, pity that they feel compelled to execute their right and also pity that motor vehicle drivers behave so badly.

Since I am often on one or the other side of the fence I get the pleasure of fighting for my life on the bike as well as trying to calm my nerves behind the wheel, as often GROUP of 2 riders makes the point to execute their rights to the whole lane, sometimes 1 rider tries to be as far right on the lane not to leave enough romm to be overtaken on the left side.

Fine by me, but I am often their back-up car as I wait for legal opportunity to overtake them.
Unfortunately cars behind me overtake me and them, of course breaking double unbroken line and or few other rules.
Sometimes gets that bad, that I simply stop if I can as I don’t want to be one to run over clipped rider by another car.

Hope that some rules will change one day, if not, from time to time we will read about bike rider’s injury or death, same as we get often the dose of dog attacks.
 
SusanW said:
- I ride a road bike in a peloton frequently, and it is a weekly occurance for twit motorists to blow their horn and get all incensed because a peloton took up the whole lane.....at the speed limit!!!!! How many times have I been out before 6am on a Sunday morning to have some redneck in a ute with trade tools in back, yell abuse, blow horn, spit etc, only to pull up 2km up the road to get the morning paper or milk.
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Unfortunately some cyclists in a peloton think they are in ther own little Tour de France.

There have been a few occasions when I have leaned on the horn to a cyclist. One instance was on a 4-lane divided carriageway (2-lanes each way) when I was overtaking a peloton. One rider decided to go from the back of the peleton to the front cutting across into the right hand lane without looking as I was going past. I think in that instance I said something rude as well.
 
1. Most cyclists also own a car, so they're already paying rego.

2. Almost every cycle on the road means one less car between you and the lights, one more car park available, less demand for petrol, less degredation of the road surface, less pollution. Drivers should be paying THEM.

(I drive though, because I am a lazy, lazy man).

3. But idiots are idiots. Well spotted. Some idiots ride bikes. We don't like those idiots. Of course, idiots in cars are more likely to kill my kids, so the rider idiots aren't top of my list of hates. If you want to propose an idiot tax, I'll vote for you.

On second thoughts, there already is an idiot tax: lotteries. :p:

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That's a bit over the top, isn't it? Lots of people just don't like to carry cash.
Some who have trouble with holding on to money simply don't trust themselves with the cash.
How long does it take for the credit card purchase to process? I'd say 20 secs top, especially with a chip and using a PIN.
Besides, by using the plastic you have free credit for a month.
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Damn straight. And some shops (Coles for sure) let you put the card through while the cashier is scanning the items. So all you need to do to pay is enter the pin. That's at least as quick as giving cash and getting change.

And if we're going to wave the idiots about that get their cards rejected, I'll counter with the grannies who spend ten minutes hunting through their purses for exact change.
 
SmellyTerror said:
Damn straight. And some shops (Coles for sure) let you put the card through while the cashier is scanning the items. So all you need to do to pay is enter the pin. That's at least as quick as giving cash and getting change.

And if we're going to wave the idiots about that get their cards rejected, I'll counter with the grannies who spend ten minutes hunting through their purses for exact change.
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What about the self check out registers. I love e'm. Using them I can eliminate another form of human contact from my life.

Its so tedious having to live in a city, or country for that matter, were other people have to occupy my space. God help them if they actually inconvenience me by 10 secs by blocking my speedy travel to the next red light or with conversation at a checkout.
 
Trembling Hand said:
What about the self check out registers. I love e'm. Using them I can eliminate another form of human contact from my life.
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Shoplifter's dream, those things. Dunno what they were thinking.

Look, all I want is for the people around me to recognise that I'm unique and special and they should all just gtf out of my way. Is that too much to ask?
 
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