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Garpal Gumnut

Garpal Gumnut

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While I can understand why some people would want cyclists to pay registration, I feel that folk like me, who do not wear lycra, do not suffer crotch or contagious diseases, and who do not wear bicycle helmets, should not have to pay this proposed registration of cyclists.

gg

http://www.news.com.au/business/vic...or-bike-licenses/story-e6frfm1i-1225849400870

A MAJOR business lobby group wants cyclists to be licensed and have their bikes registered before riding on the road.

The Victorian Employers' Chamber of Commerce and Industry is calling for a debate on the issue and is running an online poll on its blog site.

Spokesman Chris James said cyclists were increasingly riding on roads with motorists and should be treated in the same way with an appropriate licence, road rules education and a registered bike.
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I think if that happens many current cyclists will go back to using the car.........which will increase congestion on the roads.

Not saying I agree or disagree with the proposal though I can see the reasons for wanting it.

cheers
 
MACCA350 said:
I think if that happens many current cyclists will go back to using the car.........which will increase congestion on the roads.

Not saying I agree or disagree with the proposal though I can see the reasons for wanting it.

cheers
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Macca, that could happen.

I feel though that the mad lycra mob like Tony Abbott and his mates should be made pay rego, as they are a considerable nuisance on the road. they travel in packs and attack other road users in their pelethons.

Folk like me who sachet about in civvies on slow bikes without helmets, should be exempt.

gg
 
MACCA350 said:
I think if that happens many current cyclists will go back to using the car.........which will increase congestion on the roads.

Not saying I agree or disagree with the proposal though I can see the reasons for wanting it.

cheers
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I sure can see the reasons for wanting it. It's called "money grab" - a new tax on everyday activities.
GG - it's especially guys like you that are targetted by this new tax. Because you don't buy an expensive lycra suit (taxed at 10% GST and Heaven knows what other add-ons!); because you don't wear a helmet (taxed ditto with GST, and expect to be cared for at community's expense when you fall and bruise your noggin); because you don't contribute enough to the Politicians' travel expenses etc...
How dare you save instead of consume!?! :banghead:

Forcing everyone to wear stack helmets was but a first step. Knee pads and other cotton-wool may have been introduced with the best intentions - but molycoddling our youngsters robs them of the chance to grow up learning by example: That taking risks can hurt. That taking one's mind off the job can lead to a fall. That they are NOT invincible. That they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
What do they do instead? Sue the Council for negligence because there was a tree they ran into. Sue the motorist for not anticipating that they would make a U-turn on the main road. Complain to their parents that the helmet wasn't expensive enough or had the wrong colour.
Is it any wonder that we have an increasing number of "young adults" who have never learned to consider the consequences of their actions? Who have never learned their limits? Who don't know where risk becomes dangerous? And who wake up in Hospital or in Hell because they had no measure for the pain that a tree can exert on a body when it stops your moving body?
 
Good. Hopefully this will stop the lycra wearing twits running red lights on St Kilda Road every day. I've nearly hit two this year. One was frighteningly close. In fact I couldn't care less if registration was FREE, as long as cyclists were able to be held accountable for their actions on our roads.
 
It's a good idea in principal but administratively :eek:

Also as noted above greedy state governments would see it as a tax grab and would perhaps ultimately try to charge some obscene amount like hundreds of dollars per annum.

A licence system for bike riders for a nominal fee may be better but again only if state politicians and bureaucrats have not simply got dollar signs going around in their heads.
 
gav said:
Good. Hopefully this will stop the lycra wearing twits running red lights on St Kilda Road every day. I've nearly hit two this year. One was frighteningly close. In fact I couldn't care less if registration was FREE, as long as cyclists were able to be held accountable for their actions on our roads.
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Amen to that.

Lets ride 57 abreast over a blind hill around a blind corner and wonder why we get hit by the evil murderer driving the car. :banghead:

They use the road how they like, so make them pay like everyone else.
 
pixel said:
I sure can see the reasons for wanting it. It's called "money grab" - a new tax on everyday activities.
GG - it's especially guys like you that are targetted by this new tax. Because you don't buy an expensive lycra suit (taxed at 10% GST and Heaven knows what other add-ons!); because you don't wear a helmet (taxed ditto with GST, and expect to be cared for at community's expense when you fall and bruise your noggin); because you don't contribute enough to the Politicians' travel expenses etc...
How dare you save instead of consume!?! :banghead:

Forcing everyone to wear stack helmets was but a first step. Knee pads and other cotton-wool may have been introduced with the best intentions - but molycoddling our youngsters robs them of the chance to grow up learning by example: That taking risks can hurt. That taking one's mind off the job can lead to a fall. That they are NOT invincible. That they are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
What do they do instead? Sue the Council for negligence because there was a tree they ran into. Sue the motorist for not anticipating that they would make a U-turn on the main road. Complain to their parents that the helmet wasn't expensive enough or had the wrong colour.
Is it any wonder that we have an increasing number of "young adults" who have never learned to consider the consequences of their actions? Who have never learned their limits? Who don't know where risk becomes dangerous? And who wake up in Hospital or in Hell because they had no measure for the pain that a tree can exert on a body when it stops your moving body?
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Pixel, I so agree. The nanny state is breeding a bunch of young people who have no comprehension of taking responsibility for their actions. Governments are determined to protect everyone from themselves, and in so doing will eventually extinguish initiative.

And yes, obviously, it's just another tax grab. Ridiculous to suggest that by paying a rego fee cyclists will suddenly develop responsible behaviour .
 
Imagine the traffic chaos when bikes have to pay rego.
I for one will be happy not to have to worry about the cars parked in (and often driven in) bike lanes and the idiots who open car doors without looking.
If I am paying rego on my bike then I assume that I will be able to occupy the middle of any lane I want for as long as I want on any road the same as I would in either of the two cars I now pay rego on.

Maybe this is not such a bad idea.
 
Boggo said:
Imagine the traffic chaos when bikes have to pay rego.
I for one will be happy not to have to worry about the cars parked in (and often driven in) bike lanes and the idiots who open car doors without looking.
If I am paying rego on my bike then I assume that I will be able to occupy the middle of any lane I want for as long as I want on any road the same as I would in either of the two cars I now pay rego on.

Maybe this is not such a bad idea.
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A very good point Boggo.

You do have that right now except on freeways or where they have those sick bikeway green lanes in death defile at complex road junctions.

I sometimes exercise my bicycle right to the centre of a lane on 70 or 80kph roads, but its not really worth the hassle. Its a bit like those ramblers in the UK who walk through psychopathic landowners mung beans to exercise their right to walk on public pathways.

The coppers don't appreciate it either, especially if you are sans helmet and your bell don't work.

gg
 
I am as sick of cyclists as the next motorist, I am fed up with them riding in the middle of the lane at 30km/hr with me stuck behind them for 10km while there is a freaking bike lane to their left, and them riding side by side in a car lane, ignoring the bike lane, chatting while traffic builds up behind them unable to overtake (which of course means the cars are burning extra fuel, causing more pollution than if the cyclists were driving, which would allow everyone to get moving, not to mention the time wastage issue), and don't even get me started on the safety issues of some of these selfish twits... but making them pay rego isn't going to even begin to help anything.

It's just going to keep a few of them off the road, and the arrogant, selfish ones tend to be the ones with all their fancy gear who presumably ride lots and will put up with paying the rego. I don't see any reason to make the guy who wants to ride his bike down to pick up the local paper once a week have to take his car, while the bad ones still endanger and annoy us.

If any law needs changing, it should be allowing us to give the cyclists a bit of a nudge with the car when they're being dangerous or stupid without any responsibility for the resulting injuries. The number of times I've had to evade cyclists to avoid killing them due to their own selfishness or stupidity is insane, but of course, if I had not managed, I'd have been fine, they'd have been killed or injured, and I'd be the one in big trouble.

If I sound a little frustrated about the issue, try driving to and from Kinglake a few times a week (or anywhere else with similar cyclist activity) and see how long it takes for you to hate them too!

Maybe they could be forced to display free registration plates though, and we could mount video cameras on our dashboards, and footage of them could be forwarded to police resulting in massive fines.
 
I treadly about a fair bit, helmet on longer trips, but lycra is a fashion faux pas as far as I'm concerned. Plus there is additional points for overtaking the lycra clad posers when clad in stubbies and footie jumper :D.

I ride with two overriding principles.

1/ Not to piss off drivers.

2/ Assume all drivers are idiots/hate riders and/or do not see me.

This ensures:

1/ I am never abused

2/ I have less chance of being hit

It's not hard, it's just common courtesy mixed with self preservation.

However, like all of you I note the jaw dropping arrogance of some riders. WTF? What's that all about?

I just don't get it.

As above, I don't see rego actually improving anything and will just force casual riders into their cars. It's just more Orwellian big-state intervention, bureaucracy creation and revenue collection.
 
A MAJOR business lobby group wants cyclists to be licensed and have their bikes registered before riding on the road.
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The insurance industry lobbyists would be behind this.

With registration comes compulsory third party insurance in case your push bike runs into a car and injures the driver.:banghead:

In NSW, Compulsory Third Party Insurance is more expensive (where does all the money go???) than the Government registration fee. So cyclists better be prepaid for a considerable slug to register their vehicles. If this silly idea ever eventuates, you can blame those greedy insurance companies always on the lookout for a new "product" to sell.
 
Macquack said:
With registration comes compulsory third party insurance in case your push bike runs into a car and injures the driver.:banghead:
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What is the current course of action if a cyclist runs into a child or even adult pedestrian and causes serious injury or even paralysis which results in lifelong medical costs?

What happens in hit and runs involving cyclists, how can current victims identify a cyclist at a glance?

People accuse vehicles of being deadly weapons, which they are, hence there are measures in place to identify each one and cover costs of injury and property damage involved in accidents.

Cycles can also be a deadly weapon, so currently what is the course of action for similar incidents involving at fault cyclists?

cheers
 
Shame none of the smart investors/traders here are not switched on enough to not jump at fools gold when it comes to dumb jokes. One must fear for their trading accounts as well as their poor opinions.

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The topic is not an April fools joke as it's been discussed in the media prior to April 1st.

Is that particular article is intended as an April fools joke, I doubt it and if it were it's a pretty lame attempt, not everything published on April 1st is an April fools joke.

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MACCA350 said:
People accuse vehicles of being deadly weapons, which they are, hence there are measures in place to identify each one and cover costs of injury and property damage involved in accidents.

Cycles can also be a deadly weapon, so currently what is the course of action for similar incidents involving at fault cyclists?
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I agree but we should go further. I have seen a man being king hit by a p!ssed punter outside a pub that caused brain damage. How can we be assured that we can take action to identify these social menaces in the future? I think anyone out after sun set should be registered and display a illuminated registration number so when they are involved in a crime they can be identified. Preferably by surveillance cameras on ever single street.
 
Trembling Hand said:
Shame none of the smart investors/traders here are not switched on enough to not jump at fools gold when it comes to dumb jokes. One must fear for their trading accounts as well as their poor opinions.

:nono:
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lol

Dumb me, I picked up on it on 4/4 from news.com.au but I agree it looks sus on that blog on April Fools Day.

lol

gg
 
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