Labor after Rudd goes?

[Julia]

Dead on the money. Besides whihc everyone I talk to in the ALP (which is many from state and federal levels of all different factions) love Rudd, referrring to him as Kevin and recount when they were last in his presence. Maybe Obama was not the only chosen one??

That's interesting. So presumably he does have the capacity to engage like a normal human being rather than a robot, everlastingly spouting meaningless multisyllabic words.

We might see a change in this when his opposition is as, um, direct as Tony Abbott. They seem more opposite than most political adversaries.

 

[Investor82]

We might see a change in this when his opposition is as, um, direct as Tony Abbott. They seem more opposite than most political adversaries.

sorry for my ignorance here - but did Tony Abbott actually win the leadership of the opposition? I have been away for the last three months, and heard that he was challenging, but never heard more...

News from Australia doesnt travel far...

 

[Julia]

sorry for my ignorance here - but did Tony Abbott actually win the leadership of the opposition? I have been away for the last three months, and heard that he was challenging, but never heard more...

News from Australia doesnt travel far...

You must have been in some obscure part of the world!
Yes, Mr Abbott won the three way contest between himself, Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey.

Joe Hockey was eliminated in the first ballot, then the play off between Abbott and Turnbull came out 42 to 41, so very close.

If you also missed the sequelae, Mr Turnbull in the following days did a spiteful little dummy spit whereby he rubbished Mr Abbott and Abbott's approach to dealing with climate change. Mr Turnbull seems now, thankfully, to have retreated to his corner.

Mr Turnbull was in the dying phase of his leadership sounding like a member of the Labor Party. Perhaps he might give consideration to getting off the fence and actually joining same. He could consider so doing his final gift to the Coalition. Certainly his continued presence on the back bench of the Coalition will do them no service.

 

[So_Cynical]

God help Australia if Labour get in for another term.

LOL...IF you say, IF

You actually think there's some doubt about this? Are the right wings of the liberal/National party's completely devoid of political reality.

IF

sorry for my ignorance here - but did Tony Abbott actually win the leadership of the opposition? I have been away for the last three months, and heard that he was challenging, but never heard more...

News from Australia doesnt travel far...

Ok so you have an excuse....so let me bring you up to speed....the Coalition self destructed and shifted the the far right and as a result of that will be in opposition for at least 2 elections, and you can expect a double dissolution (all senate seats )election after July next year.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I heard this excuse for a cricket commentator yesterday and it was cringemaking.

Even poor old Karl Marx would have made more appropriate comments than ole nerd Kev07.

Roll on Julia, you would make a better leader of the Party than Kev, and even though you are a woman, a better cricket commentator.

gg

 

[BradK]

My contacts .....

gg

LOL... your contacts! - on another thread, your 'contacts' told you they were a a few days away from catching bin Laden? Rudd gone after/ before the next election?

You need new contacts... unless of course bin Laden will lead the Labor Party to the next election???

Brad

 

[wayneL]

LOL...IF you say, IF

You actually think there's some doubt about this? Are the right wings of the liberal/National party's completely devoid of political reality.

IF

Ok so you have an excuse....so let me bring you up to speed....the Coalition self destructed and shifted the the far right and as a result of that will be in opposition for at least 2 elections, and you can expect a double dissolution (all senate seats )election after July next year.

Far right? Perhaps you should have another look at the political spectrum.

However your appraisal of the Liberals prospects at the next election is correct... not a chance in hell, barring divine intervention.

The reason for this is that KRudd, Dullard and Swine lack the ability of Gough and his band of philandering Marxists to be able to totally trash the economy within three years. They need more time.

 

[Julia]

Roll on Julia, you would make a better leader of the Party than Kev, and even though you are a woman, a better cricket commentator.

gg

LOL, gg. I regret to tell you that I know zilch about cricket, and have zilch minus 10 interest in it. Sorry. I realise that makes me un-Australian or something.

 

[SmellyTerror]

I don't understand how people fail to notice that both sides do exactly the same things when in government. There's no difference, bar the speeches and some very minor faffing about with high-profile but ultimately ineffectual policies. It's the same crap in a different shoe-box.

How do you NOT notice?

Talking about the present mob's handling of the financial crisis (good or bad): the other side's plans were, at the time, basically identical. They can say their targetting might have been better, but it was about the same amount of money and, from any independant commentator I've seen, had as much chance of being worse as better. There was basically no difference, and all they can say now is "well it was YOU who spent the money and not us, so, uh, even though we WOULD have spent the money if we were in a position to do so, we're still better". Pfff.

...and people get all apocalyptic over this stuff. Mainstream Left and Right became brands a long time ago, and they aren't any more different under the hood than Ford vs Holden. Or, more like a red Holden vs a blue Holden.

But on topic: if you think they'll drop Rudd in the next couple of years, I have a bridge to sell you. That you could even entertain the notion is proof that political partisanship causes localised brain damage.

(Localised since people with such insane political views can be perfectly intelligent and reasonable in all other matters - ie. no offense meant).

 

[wayneL]

I don't understand how people fail to notice that both sides do exactly the same things when in government. There's no difference, bar the speeches and some very minor faffing about with high-profile but ultimately ineffectual policies. It's the same crap in a different shoe-box.

How do you NOT notice?

Talking about the present mob's handling of the financial crisis (good or bad): the other side's plans were, at the time, basically identical. They can say their targetting might have been better, but it was about the same amount of money and, from any independant commentator I've seen, had as much chance of being worse as better. There was basically no difference, and all they can say now is "well it was YOU who spent the money and not us, so, uh, even though we WOULD have spent the money if we were in a position to do so, we're still better". Pfff.

...and people get all apocalyptic over this stuff. Mainstream Left and Right became brands a long time ago, and they aren't any more different under the hood than Ford vs Holden. Or, more like a red Holden vs a blue Holden.

But on topic: if you think they'll drop Rudd in the next couple of years, I have a bridge to sell you. That you could even entertain the notion is proof that political partisanship causes localised brain damage.

(Localised since people with such insane political views can be perfectly intelligent and reasonable in all other matters - ie. no offense meant).

The reason for this is populism. If populism dies a deserved death we will once again see a clear divide. But as long as people accept political bribery, hold self interest above the greater good, both parties will inhabit the same ground.

It's our fault, not their's.

 

[SmellyTerror]

Agreed.

The media knows what sells better than they ever have before, and pollies know how to feed it to them. Nothing like honesty or ideological integrity stands a chance.

Look at how the media love to leap onto any sniff of "party disunity". Yet party unity is institutionalised lying. A party that always agrees with the leader is not a democratic institution, it's a fan club. And thanks to the media and the public's hysterical need for the most sensationalist reports available, that's exactly what we have.

Fan clubs.

 

[cashcow]

The reason for this is populism. If populism dies a deserved death we will once again see a clear divide. But as long as people accept political bribery, hold self interest above the greater good, both parties will inhabit the same ground.

It's our fault, not their's.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is quite possibly the most concise and accurate summary of the Australian political landscape ever to grace these fora.

I don't own any equities at the moment, but I log on here for gems like this

 

[trainspotter]

Who said "People get the government they deserve" .... was it Benjamin Franklin? Forward thinking dude if it was. Ebb and flow of the political landscape in Banana Republic is dependent on the populace and their financial position. Labor comes in and spends like a drunken sailor, interest rates goes up etc, we get sick of the gerrymandering then we vote in Liberal who toecut and tighten the belt to a point where the unrepresented rabble once again toddle off to the polls and cast their vote appropriately. Labor = CREDIT CARD mentality. Liberal = SCROOGE idealogy.

 

[condog]

Who said "People get the government they deserve" .... was it Benjamin Franklin? Forward thinking dude if it was. Ebb and flow of the political landscape in Banana Republic is dependent on the populace and their financial position. Labor comes in and spends like a drunken sailor, interest rates goes up etc, we get sick of the gerrymandering then we vote in Liberal who toecut and tighten the belt to a point where the unrepresented rabble once again toddle off to the polls and cast their vote appropriately. Labor = CREDIT CARD mentality. Liberal = SCROOGE idealogy.

So accurate its scary....problem is I like to control the credit card rather then let Kevin 07 spend it and then ask me to repay it....Nothing p----- me off more then having to pay taxes for non contributors big screen tv's

 

[Julia]

So accurate its scary....problem is I like to control the credit card rather then let Kevin 07 spend it and then ask me to repay it....Nothing p----- me off more then having to pay taxes for non contributors big screen tv's

Ah, my thoughts exactly. So frustrating, especially when he is being so widely lauded by so many for this.

 

[condog]

Support for Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has taken a dive, according to the latest Newspoll in today's Australian newspaper.

The poll shows the number of voters satisfied with Mr Rudd's performance is down six points to 52 per cent.

He is still preferred prime minister, but his rating has slipped three points to 57 per cent.

Meanwhile Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's rating is up 2 per cent to 25 per cent.

On a two-party preferred basis, Labor is ahead, but the gap is closing.

Labor fell slightly from 56 to 54 per cent, while support for the Coalition increased by the same margin to 46 per cent.

Is our rudderless ken doll leaders poor performance finally starting to be noticed by the masses.... Have they finally realised that they now have to repay massive govt debts used for non essential services and big screen plasmas....

Time to get your act together Mr Rudd , you have an election coming and will be judged harshly for blowing our financial future.......

 

[Aussiejeff]

Ah, my thoughts exactly. So frustrating, especially when he is being so widely lauded by so many for this.

You can take a large proportion of that "lauding" with an even larger grain of salt, Julia, since the mass media today is largely in the pockets of whoever is the incumbent ruling government.

Labor (as liberals did before them) are now spending a HUGE amount of taxpayer's hard-earned disseminating countless "backslap" articles & ads to the various media outlets. Media manipulation by pollies has reached a new zenith.

sickening, ain't it?

 

[GumbyLearner]

LOL... your contacts! - on another thread, your 'contacts' told you they were a a few days away from catching bin Laden? Rudd gone after/ before the next election?

You need new contacts... unless of course bin Laden will lead the Labor Party to the next election???

Brad

ROTFL

 

[Logique]

For me, Julia Gillard has been exemplory and so far I have no fault to find. She is articulate, intelligent, has humour, compassionate and is an excellent speaker on the floor of parliament. She puts 80% of the boofhead males in both houses to shame.

It's about policy, not some sort of theatre.
Gillard is a mouthpiece, the sort of cookie-cutter spin machine that Labor specializes in. If she ever gets the leadership, watch for an explosion of middle class welfare, for People-We-Approve-Of, that is. And everyone will subsidize this via higher power and water bills, otherwise known as the carbon tax. Or as I like to think of it, the universal paid maternity leave and childcare tax.
When it comes to leadership, best to know what you're actually going to be getting.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

My contacts in the NSW Right of the ALP tell me they are contemplating the unbelievable.

Getting Gillard up as PM before the August election.

Internal polling shows that Rudd is on the nose particularly with Bogans, Holden and Ford drivers, little old blokes, folk with red , black or blond hair, or tints, and those with a mortgage in that State of Disrepair. His polling is even worse than published so far.

Gillard seems to have trust, and the NSW Right is planning a coup, in return for more Right Wing clout on the Front Bench Federally as they will be out of office in the State Election.

gg