Boxing

[bloomy88]

Yeah he's a fair weapon and a good bloke unlike that flog Mundine

 

[Wysiwyg]

Armenian born Victor Darchinyan of Australia, alias The Raging Bull, fights this month on the 12th. December in America against Tomas Rojas in the WBC superflyweight division. Doesn't attract as much attention as the heavier divisions but his record can't be denied.


Another boxer that doesn't get much recognition is Michael Katsidis from Toowoomba in Queensland. He is the interim WBO lightweight champion and is looking at a match up with Juan Manuel Marquez who was defeated by Mayweather Jr. September this year and the title fight would be near or the pinnacle of his career so far.

 

[Happy Profits!]

Hi Boxing fans,

Good to have our own little 'room'. I'm gonna 'drag' our some of the comments from the previous thread.

1) For Darchinyan fans in NSW, try to go down to Star City if you can, it's great to see his mother (or granny?!) blowing kisses to the screen whenever he scores! Good atmosphere THAT'S if they do show his fights. A (purported) mate of his told me that even Vic was grumbling that (paraphrase), "Why they always show Mundine fighting nobodies, I fight world titles. Also, they owe me, I lose big money on tables!" LOL!

2) Agree with you about Sugar, MRC, I too had him narrowly beating Cotto. Ditto the "styles make fights" comment. 'Ats why I still love boxing (even tho' I do watch *cough* MMA).

3) Um...i don't think Hatton is thinking retirement yet. There's talk that he wants to take on Cotto. Bad idea I think. IMHO, Cotto would pulverize him. He's custom made (there's that styles thing again) for Cotto's body hooks & uppercuts.

4) I quite liked Haye too - like you said, bunyip, he's "lean, fast, athletic, and a massive puncher" (altho' a bit chinny). Liked being the operative word. He did an effective job needling the K Bros. but when it came to the crunch, pulled out against both. I'm only 90% sure about this. Like MRC said, the "division is boring as hhell". I couldn't really be bothered keeping up to date. It's the tumbleweed division of boxing - how the glorious have fallen. I REALLY TRIED to remain interested but after forcing myself to sit thru' the 12 round abomination of Wladimir Klitshko v Sultan Ibragimov, THAT WAS THE LAST STRAW! Besides, that bloody 'jab jab jab <infinity>, 1-2' routine may be brain-deadening but it works. I agree that Haye would come up short. The division needs someone with EXPLOSIVE power like Tyson to clean it out. Sigh, I wish I could clone Corrie Sanders to ring Wladimir's bell again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YboPBVOHn9Q

Til' then, I can always relive the glory years of the Kings via video: Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton et al.

Addendum: Dunno how to aesthetically hyperlink Youtube footage to Corrie Sander's name, sorry!

Comic..book..knowledge..fail...ing...Ack! Don't know who that is! Can't..make..lame..name..refer...ence...

 

[Happy Profits!]

Boxing in/on the news

Welp, good to see that the Green Machine's victory over RJJ has elevated the media presence (spl?) of boxing in Aussie (Sydney metro at least ). The articles are lengthier and there are (shock horror) even pictures to go along with them. And not just Aussie boxers either (e.g. Vitali Klitschko's taking away Kevin johnson's Zero).

Firstly, congrats to Vic 'Raging Bull' Darchinyan for his 2nd round KO over Tomas Rojas. A short sharp hook aimed to "his chest", Rojas ducked and it was lights out. Sadly for Rojas, where and how he fell nailed any chances he might have had from recovering from the blow - looked to me like he hit the back of his head pretty hard against the hard edge of the ring. (ie. no canvas to absorb the shock). On the other hand, it was sort of sweet justice - right before the punch, Rojas was waving Vic in to his head.

Vic's manager, Elias Nasser, said that the anticipated rematch against Nonito Donaire (who scored one of the upsets of 2007 by knocking out Darchinyan) would generate interest comparable to Pacquiao v Mayweather....um, I think you're getting ahead of yourself, sport.

Of the fight itself, even tho' Vic undoubtedly has a lot of power, I think he relies on it too much. Given his amateur background, it was disappointing to see him abandon his jab. Where was the boxer-puncher who took down pound for pound top 10 Cristian Mijares? Instead, his lead hand was way down, ostensibly setting a trap for Rojas. Effective admittedly, but he was still getting popped. More than once or twice, he was caught lunging in with looping lefts and got counter-punched. Hell, he even did his 'crab' routine. Since 2004, he has been callling for a fight with Pacquiao - based on this performance and his previous one, he'd get ripped to pieces. He should concentrate on avenging his defeats to Donaire and Joseph Agbeko.

Oh btw, Barbara Gordon* and any others interested in Kostya Tzyu, ONE HD/ONE digital channel will be showing 'johnny Lewis Classics' tonight at 10pm - Tzyu v Hector lopez. Haven't seen this one, must record.



* Mmm, looks like a yummy Adam Hughes version. Or Brian Bolland. Too small to see.

 

[MRC & Co]

Out of interest Happy Profits, which boxing forum do you post at? I can tell by your lingo you are a regular around those parts. I used to do a bit back in my boxing days, but haven't for many years now.

 

[Fishbulb]

Hey fight fans, what do you think of tournaments such as the one seen on the newer digital stations, such as Strikeforce?

Do you think the mixed martial arts scene will ever detract from boxings numbers?

Personally speaking I love the mixed martial arts bouts. I also really like boxing, but I think there's a possible danger of boxing being seen as too fettered by the younger more thrill seeking fight fan, and may eventually be seen as old school.

 

[chrislp]

Do you think the mixed martial arts scene will ever detract from boxings numbers?

Yes. Personally I think the heavyweight division in boxing is the main drawcard, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson. Boxing was without a doubt very popular from Dempsey's time to Tyson's time.

Tyson was at his best in the late 80's which is quite a long time, considering we are still waiting, between superstars.

For some reason I have never been interested in the lower weight divisions so can't comment on boxing since then.


Watching MMA though is like a breath of fresh air after waiting years for some decent champions, even the lower weight divisions are entertaining.
Special mention to Fedor Emelianenko though for being perhaps the greatest fighter of all time.

Apparently the UFC has a show in February with an unconfirmed fight line-up & it sold out quicker then the Green- Roy Jones Jnr fight. Can't find a link but was in the SMH yesterday.

 

[Fishbulb]

Thanks chrislp.

Probably be a long time coming till MMA has the same cred as boxing does though. Don't you think? Boxing has huge tradition, where MMA is - at this stage, a brightly lit, and quite lurid presentation in comparison. And this coming from a fan.

If it lasts long enough to get some real history, I'll be happy, but I think it may be in danger of becoming just another wrestling melodrama in the way that fights are choreographed. I have no evidence for this, it's just a gut feeling about its possible direction. I hope it never happens.

 

[lukeaye]

Thanks chrislp.

Probably be a long time coming till MMA has the same cred as boxing does though. Don't you think? Boxing has huge tradition, where MMA is - at this stage, a brightly lit, and quite lurid presentation in comparison. And this coming from a fan.

If it lasts long enough to get some real history, I'll be happy, but I think it may be in danger of becoming just another wrestling melodrama in the way that fights are choreographed. I have no evidence for this, it's just a gut feeling about its possible direction. I hope it never happens.

The format is very new, that is correct, but the arts they use are not.

You could argue that the two most prominent styles in that MMA ring are muay thai and ju-jitsui.

Both of these have been around longer then boxing, so there is plenty of culture and history to back it.

These days people just want action, they want blood, they want to see people get hurt. MMA brings this.

You are right, the old champions were what its was all about, and here is why we enjoyed watching them more.

They slugged it out, they wanted to put each others noses through the back of their heads. These days, you watch the likes of lennox lewis and floyd mayweather, argueably the best of this generation, they are purely tactical strategical fighters. For them it was about preservation and beating their opponent on this scorecard.

In my opinion we all have a primeval urge to want to see two people beat each other up, the problem with boxing today is it is more about winning on the scorecard, the tactic is to hit lightly, quickly and not be hit.

You watch tyson fight, if that doesnt getting you pumped for a fight then nothing will. You watch lennox lewis fight and i garantee you change the channel to MMA

So i say to the boxers out their, harden the **** up. Go for knockout or go home. If i wanted to watch strategical dancing for 1 hour i would have gone to the ballet.

 

[MRC & Co]

You are saying Lennox Lewis hits lightly and quickly? LOL.

There have been defensive fighters around for decades, if not centuries, Benny Lennon, Willie Pep, Pernell Whitaker even Jack Johson etc etc.

Just as there are still big hitters, now Manny Pacquiao and I can ramble many more.

Boxing is doing bigger PPV numbers than in a long time, some said MMA was detracting from it, but it appears there is not the case, the numbers and stats speak for themselves. Both, I think, compliment eachother, I never followed MMA, but I now watch the main guys and some up and comers I see who I think have talent. But boxing is still my main fighting sport. I'm sure many die hard MMA fans are the same. Just like when you go to an Asian food region, many stores which are similar, but differentiated, but attract customers in bulk.

 

[Fishbulb]

The format is very new, that is correct, but the arts they use are not.

You could argue that the two most prominent styles in that MMA ring are muay thai and ju-jitsui.

Both of these have been around longer then boxing, so there is plenty of culture and history to back it.

These days people just want action, they want blood, they want to see people get hurt. MMA brings this.

You are right, the old champions were what its was all about, and here is why we enjoyed watching them more.

They slugged it out, they wanted to put each others noses through the back of their heads. These days, you watch the likes of lennox lewis and floyd mayweather, argueably the best of this generation, they are purely tactical strategical fighters. For them it was about preservation and beating their opponent on this scorecard.

In my opinion we all have a primeval urge to want to see two people beat each other up, the problem with boxing today is it is more about winning on the scorecard, the tactic is to hit lightly, quickly and not be hit.

You watch tyson fight, if that doesnt getting you pumped for a fight then nothing will. You watch lennox lewis fight and i garantee you change the channel to MMA

So i say to the boxers out their, harden the **** up. Go for knockout or go home. If i wanted to watch strategical dancing for 1 hour i would have gone to the ballet.

I'm in two minds. On the one hand, I like it when it becomes aggressive, but on the other, I appreciate a clever fighter. I personally don't like to see a fighter get hurt in a brawl, but they know that it's probably going to happen going into a bout.

Do you watch KO Boxing on C31? - Melbourne only, but it's a great show. They showcase many upcoming hungry fighters and some of these guys, judging by what you've said here, you'd like I'm sure. I know I do.

Yeah Tyson was one scary mutha in his heyday. I remember watching him enter the ring on the few fights I saw televised, and the excitement was unmistakeable. The guy was a genuine fighter. Too bad he stooped to biting guys on the ear later on.

 

[lukeaye]

You are saying Lennox Lewis hits lightly and quickly? LOL.

Obivously he is a super heavy so he doesnt hit softly. But he is a preservation fighter. Sorry not a figher a dodger. He does not hit as hard as mike tyson thats for sure though.

What i im saying is the gerneal population doesn't like to watch fights like this. They dont appreciate that strategical approach. The crowd roars when a big punch is thrown and connects, not when a figher is scoring well.

Give the people what they want.

MRC do you know why the PPV numbers are higher? Because more families now have tv's then they did before. Because more people have foxtel then there was before. Those numbers prove nothing for popularity.

Thats like saying music is not as popular as it was before because record sales are down? No its because everyone downloads there music. Same thing.

 

[lukeaye]

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Yeah Tyson was one scary mutha in his heyday. I remember watching him enter the ring on the few fights I saw televised, and the excitement was unmistakeable. The guy was a genuine fighter. Too bad he stooped to biting guys on the ear later on.

He was an animal. And it appealed to our inner animal.

He only bit his ear because he kept on getting headbutted.

I would have done the same thing, (maybe not bite and ear but something crazy) do you know how much it hurts and how much it takes out of you getting headbutted? Try knocking your forehead against somebody elses really softly, its not nice.

 

[Fishbulb]

lukeaye, I think you're making excuses for bad behaviour there. Tyson, as great a fighter as he was, has certain ..... issues.

Again, a great fighter in his day.

 

[MRC & Co]

MRC do you know why the PPV numbers are higher? Because more families now have tv's then they did before. Because more people have foxtel then there was before. Those numbers prove nothing for popularity.

So all of a sudden, in the last couple of years, the % increase in PPV numbers correlates closely with those of new cable connections? I don't think so. Go get proof, I will take whatever bet you want to make....

 

[lukeaye]

So all of a sudden, in the last couple of years, the % increase in PPV numbers correlates closely with those of new cable connections? I don't think so. Go get proof, I will take whatever bet you want to make....

Ok so what time period would you like me to compare to?

Think about it, it makes perfect sense.

 

[aramz]

Hey guys great topic!

I am a big fight fan myself and also am an amatuer kickboxer, should be turning professional in 2010. I practise muay thai which is kickboxing with knees and elbows. Are any of you guys fans of muay thai? Do any of you watch it on foxsports? I remember wysiwyg mentioning something about k-1 on another thread. I train all the time and atm am trying to educate myself in trading. Sometimes it gets so hard to find the time as i finish training so late and trying to monitor trades and read books on trading late at night after a hard session is really tough. Good to see some fight fans out there.

Here are some fight photos of mine i thought i'd share with some fellow aussie stockers:
Flying knee

Overhand right

Headkick

 

[nunthewiser]

Follows a bit of kickboxing ............Thinks that in his heyday " The preacher mcfee" was the fella to watch for explosive presicion and skillful play.

In current Aussie Boxing i do enjoy watching Mundines skill and speed when he not dribbling sheet and showboating.

Daniel Dawson is a friend and also enjoy his slugging style and watching him develop it over the years..

 

[chrislp]

If it lasts long enough to get some real history, I'll be happy, but I think it may be in danger of becoming just another wrestling melodrama in the way that fights are choreographed.

The UFC is very melodramatic which I don't really like personally. Good fighting roster but I don't know if it's an American thing but it is a bit silly sometimes.

PRIDE FC was the most legitimate MMA championship IMO & it's such a shame to see it gone. Fighting at it's finest, must see viewing if you are a fan.

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[chrislp]

Anyway just a taste of PRIDE below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mxgaQGOXIc