Boat People

[Calliope]

It's the pull factor.

Rudd on Monday:
YOU'RE dealing also with a large part of the push factors which are operating worldwide, and that's what we're doing: responsible policy dealing with the global factors, with the push factors.

Palitha Kohona is Sri Lanka's permanent representative to the UN, on Lateline on Wednesday:

I THINK this talk about the push factor is an over-exaggeration. If there were, as I said, a push factor, why didn't they go across to India which is so close by, (35km) away from Sri Lanka? Instead they head all the way to Australia. It's the magnetic attraction of Australia that has brought these people to Australia's shores illegally.

 

[Happy]

It's the magnetic attraction of Australia that has brought these people to Australia's shores illegally.

Still First World Country with fast diluting resources.

Once we are not attractive any more, they will risk their life to go to greener pastures somewhere else.

 

[inenigma]

Denmark once had a very generous immigration policy and welcomed all and sundry with open arms. People of a certain religious flavour went to Denmark and accepted all the free handouts. And multiplied.

Denmark no longer has such a generous immigration policy because of what the previous immigration policy had begat them.

 

[Calliope]

Congratulations Kevin for fast tracking entry to our shores the most expensive immigrants any country has ever bought.

And not only that, these Tamils who have honed their extortion skills on the Oceanic Viking, know that when they get here. with these skills, they will never have to work again and will live on the public purse for ever. It is not surprising that native Sri Lankans dislike them.

When Rudd was asked if these people had been cut a special deal, he said;

"Absolutely not"

He is a psychopathic liar. His words will give encouragement to the thousands of boat people getting ready to head for our shores.

 

[bigdog]

Watch 2:00 PM tomorrow on channel 2 for Parliment Question Time.
-- tape it if you are at work.

There is every chance that Kevin will arrange for the "Senate Question Time" to be televised at the 2:00 PM timeslot!!

Rudd the Dud or Krudd!!

I will not vote again for the Dud or Krudd at the next election.

How can the Dud or Krudd run the country when he can not control our borders?

 

[bunyip]

Watch 2:00 PM tomorrow on channel 2 for Parliment Question Time.
-- tape it if you are at work.

There is every chance that Kevin will arrange for the "Senate Question Time" to be televised at the 2:00 PM timeslot!!

Rudd the Dud or Krudd!!

I will not vote again for the Dud or Krudd at the next election.

How can the Dud or Krudd run the country when he can not control our borders?

I can't imagine why anyone voted for the bastard at the last election!

 

[Julia]

His words will give encouragement to the thousands of boat people getting ready to head for our shores.

"The National Interest" is a current affairs programme on Radio National, broadcast noon on Sundays. Today there was an interview with the Minister for Immigration, Chris Evans.

He was asked about the queue (which many on the Left proclaim does not exist) of approved migrants, waiting to come to Australia.
These people have paid many thousands of dollars in fees for their application, plus more for providing health checks etc required by the government.
They have provided documentation as to their skills and their ability to bring benefit to Australia.

When pressed, Mr Evans conceded that there are approximately 30,000 such people already onshore in Australia, plus approximately 105,000 off shore.

They await a decision by the Australian government, although they have already offered proof of their capacity to make a decent contribution to our society, and paid for so doing.

We keep these people out while we admit asylum seekers unprepared to take their place in this queue and who have amply demonstrated their character via the blackmail they have so successfully employed while occupying an Australian Customs vessel for a month.

 

[bigdog]

Watch 2:00 PM tomorrow on channel 2 for Parliment Question Time.
-- tape it if you are at work.

There is every chance that Kevin will arrange for the "Senate Question Time" to be televised at the 2:00 PM timeslot!!

YES KEVIN HAS THE SWITCHED SENATE QUESTION TIME TELECAST TO 2:00 pm NOW
-- WHAT A COWARD!!

THE HOUSE OF REPS QUESTION TIME DELAYED TELECAST IS ON AT 1:25 AM TOMORROW MORNING WITH FEW TO WATCH HIM!!

RUDD THE KRUDD OR DUD.

 

[bunyip]

"The National Interest" is a current affairs programme on Radio National, broadcast noon on Sundays. Today there was an interview with the Minister for Immigration, Chris Evans.

He was asked about the queue (which many on the Left proclaim does not exist) of approved migrants, waiting to come to Australia.
These people have paid many thousands of dollars in fees for their application, plus more for providing health checks etc required by the government.
They have provided documentation as to their skills and their ability to bring benefit to Australia.

When pressed, Mr Evans conceded that there are approximately 30,000 such people already onshore in Australia, plus approximately 105,000 off shore.

They await a decision by the Australian government, although they have already offered proof of their capacity to make a decent contribution to our society, and paid for so doing.

We keep these people out while we admit asylum seekers unprepared to take their place in this queue and who have amply demonstrated their character via the blackmail they have so successfully employed while occupying an Australian Customs vessel for a month.

Exactly.

I would suggest that a person has limited capacity for clear thinking if he or she can't see the blatant stupidity of the Rudd government's immigration policy, which can be summed up as follows.......

Accept people who have limited or no job skills, limited or no English, limited or no money, limited or no capacity to immediately slot into our society and lifestyle and start making a worthwhile contribution from day 1, will cost us huge money in welfare support, have come here illegally, and are from cultures and religions that are largely incompatible with the culture and religion of mainstream Australia.

Reject many people - e.g. white Zimbabweans - who have all the skills and attributes needed to immediately slot in and start making a significant contribution to our country, have applied through the legal channels to come here, and whose cultures, values and religion are completely compatible with mainstream Australia.

If anyone can see any sense in the above policy, then please explain it to this forum.

Forget all the emotional crap about how it's cruel and heartless to turn asylum seekers away.

Just put forward some simple, rational, commonsense arguments as to why we should accept unsuitable people who will be a burden on us from day 1, while at the same time reject suitable people who have the capacity to make a positive contribution to our country from day 1.

 

[Calliope]

Shame on you bunyip. What ever happened to the warm inner glow? I was only joking, WIG ia a very selective thing. There is a news item today that the residents of Logan City are objecting to the establishment of a place for the homeless in their neighbourhood. Wait for the punch line...they claim it is too close to a school

I suppose if they were homeless Tamils it would be OK.

 

[Buddy]

Bunyip, you must be one of those shameless, in-humane, red necked voting, racists that no pants Fraser was referring to in his rant over the weeked. Remember him, he was Australia's, arguably, worst P.M..

 

[bunyip]

Shame on you bunyip. What ever happened to the warm inner glow? I was only joking, WIG ia a very selective thing. There is a news item today that the residents of Logan City are objecting to the establishment of a place for the homeless in their neighbourhood. Wait for the punch line...they claim it is too close to a school

I suppose if they were homeless Tamils it would be OK.

Perhaps the homeless could be offered meals and accommodation in the homes of the do-gooders who say it's cruel and heartless to turn refugees away from Australia. According to the thinking of these people, we should be dishing out help open slather to anyone less fortunate than ourselves.
Well OK then - wouldn't this also include homeless people? What better and more immediate way to help them than take them into our homes?

So why don't the do-gooders do so? Perhaps because they have the common sense to realise that it's just not practical, and in fact could be quite dangerous, to open their homes to total strangers.
Well then, why can't these same do-gooders apply similar logical thinking to the refugee problem?
It's impractical, and potentially risky, to allow homeless, skill-less refugees from other countries to come into Australia. Particularly since many are from cultures and religions that have contempt for western lifestyles and values and religion.

It's proven fact - not just my opinion - that some of the people we've brought in have plotted to launch terror attacks against us.
I'm not suggesting that all refugees are or will be so inclined, but why the hell would we risk it when we don't need to?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Just put forward some simple, rational, commonsense arguments as to why we should accept unsuitable people who will be a burden on us from day 1, while at the same time reject suitable people who have the capacity to make a positive contribution to our country from day 1.

Compassion and humane are two qualities of mind that need to be engaged when "assessing" the boat people. The identifying of refugees from exploiters of the aforementioned qualities is the problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[bunyip]

Compassion and humane are two qualities of mind that need to be engaged when "assessing" the boat people. The identifying of refugees from exploiters of the aforementioned qualities is the problem that needs to be addressed.

Can you give any logical reason why our immigration policy should not be...

'Apply through the legal channels - no illegal immigrants will be accepted'?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Can you give any logical reason why our immigration policy should not be...

'Apply through the legal channels - no illegal immigrants will be accepted'?

That is the policy. My previous post gives reason why this is not adhered to.

 

[Asti]

I received this information in an email the other day. I have not checked its accuracy but it makes for interesting reading.

The Australian Federal Government provides the following financial assistance:-

FOR AN AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Allowance $253.00
Weekly Spouse Allowance $56.00
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $0.00
Total Yearly Benefit $16,068.00


FOR AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/REFUGEE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA
Weekly Allowance $472.50
Weekly Spouse Allowance $472.50
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $145.00
Total Yearly Benefit $56,680.00


Hmmm... Something to think about...

After all, the average Australian Aged Pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40-60 years...

 

[bunyip]

That is the policy. My previous post gives reason why this is not adhered to.

No, that is not the policy.

Legal immigrants are those who apply through the legal channels to come here.

Those who arrive on Australian soil or in Australian waters without having applied through the legal channels are, by definition, illegal.

 

[noco]

I received this information in an email the other day. I have not checked its accuracy but it makes for interesting reading.

The Australian Federal Government provides the following financial assistance:-

FOR AN AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Allowance $253.00
Weekly Spouse Allowance $56.00
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $0.00
Total Yearly Benefit $16,068.00


FOR AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/REFUGEE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA
Weekly Allowance $472.50
Weekly Spouse Allowance $472.50
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $145.00
Total Yearly Benefit $56,680.00


Hmmm... Something to think about...

After all, the average Australian Aged Pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40-60 years...

Thanks for that research Asti. That is absolutly absurd. I wish the media would publish those figures for all and sundry to see. No wonder the SRI Lankans are insisting on coming to Australia.

Hope Andrew Bolt gets to see these figures. He'll have a ball.

 

[Calliope]

It's impractical, and potentially risky, to allow homeless, skill-less refugees from other countries to come into Australia. Particularly since many are from cultures and religions that have contempt for western lifestyles and values and religion.

It has long baffled me why the feminist movement is not up in arms that we allow people into this country whose religion precludes them treating women as equals. Perhaps their argument is that their women like being treated as chattels. Many women in Afghanistan and Pakistan don't agree but they get short shrift if they stand up for their rights.

I think it is because our laws regard religious beliefs as sacred, and any criticism of their practices, however nasty, will land you in hot water. You will certainly be branded a racist. This is usually enough to shut you up.

 

[Julia]

Compassion and humane are two qualities of mind that need to be engaged when "assessing" the boat people. The identifying of refugees from exploiters of the aforementioned qualities is the problem that needs to be addressed.

That's a very impressive sounding statement, but I'm not really sure what it means. Could you put it in more simple terms?

I received this information in an email the other day. I have not checked its accuracy but it makes for interesting reading.

The Australian Federal Government provides the following financial assistance:-

FOR AN AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Allowance $253.00
Weekly Spouse Allowance $56.00
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $0.00
Total Yearly Benefit $16,068.00


FOR AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT/REFUGEE LIVING IN AUSTRALIA
Weekly Allowance $472.50
Weekly Spouse Allowance $472.50
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance $145.00
Total Yearly Benefit $56,680.00


Hmmm... Something to think about...

After all, the average Australian Aged Pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40-60 years...

This is complete nonsense. It does the rounds on the internet every now and again, starting about four years ago.
Repeat: there is absolutely no truth in this rubbish.

No, that is not the policy.

Legal immigrants are those who apply through the legal channels to come here.

Those who arrive on Australian soil or in Australian waters without having applied through the legal channels are, by definition, illegal.

This evening I was talking to a woman I know slightly who came to Australia with her parents about 15 years ago from South Africa.

They adhered to the official application process, provided personal, medical and career documentation, and in addition were sponsored by someone already living in Australia who had to guarantee them for two years.
This meant that if they were unable to find work on arrival, their sponsor would be entirely responsible for them in every way, i.e. accommodation and living costs, health costs, everything.

The cost of making this application was many thousands of dollars.

They had to wait for more than two years before being admitted to Australia.

Both parents, and the woman I know, quickly found work soon after arrival, and continue to be self supporting and contributors to their local community.

I don't think it needs to be spelled out how galling people like this who have pursued immigration through the legal channels find the subversion of the proper process such as we are currently seeing.