Border Security Rudd Weak

[-Bevo-]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26344992-421,00.html



I guess this will now open the flood gates for every person seeking a better future to just get onto the right tide, wait for the wind and head south for the coast of Australia, scuttling their ship within sight of an Australian vessel.

For a smart person Mr.Rudd sure makes some dreadful decisions.

gg

Some major Rudd bashing going on in the readers comments of that story GG, people starting to wake up about the government they elected, even my parents who only ever vote labour are shaking there heads.

 

[Calliope]

You think these forums have any effect on anyone? Not me.

We just post on stuff we're annoyed with or happy with. As long as we don't use words that tend to be flagged by echelon (if you're paranoid) we're unnoticed mostly, and what we say goes into the ether and is forgotten.

But thanks for the welcoming words anyway.

I agree with you Fishbulb. Most of what we say on these threads is either unread or ignored, The only exceptions are when you strike a kindred spirit or someone who thinks they are much smarter than you and try to put you down.

We shouldn't kid ourselves that we are influencing anyone. As I mentioned on another thread, reams have been posted by the sceptics and the believers on global warming with no conversions to my knowledge.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Is ths "spin" from Mr.rudd or just plain lying?

Asked on Fairfax Radio if the asylum seekers got special treatment, he said: ''Absolutely not. This is consistent with the overall approach we adopt to processing of individuals at any centre around the world.''

In addition to rapid resettlement, the Sri Lankans will receive English lessons, around-the-clock access to Australian officials and counsellors, and free phone calls to their family at home.

Lets read it again from the Sydney Morning Herald.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/our-newest-australians-leave-the-boat-20091113-iepi.html

He says no deal.

But yet........

I realise one cannot believe politicians but lies can be too blatant.

Asked on Fairfax Radio if the asylum seekers got special treatment, he said: ''Absolutely not. This is consistent with the overall approach we adopt to processing of individuals at any centre around the world.''

In addition to rapid resettlement, the Sri Lankans will receive English lessons, around-the-clock access to Australian officials and counsellors, and free phone calls to their family at home.

Perhaps all refugees get this, or do they ?



gg

 

[Tink]

Thats exactly right Julia, it is against International Law.

The media is having a field day with this.

Looks like some of them have family in Sydney and have asked if they can take the children

 

[Calliope]

My intent in starting this thread was to point out the floodgate theory.

The more easy a passive entry exists via sea, over which we presently have little control, the more exponential the possibility is of an increase in the volume of illegal entry to this country via that route

I wondered at the time what your intent was, considering we already had a duplicate thread on "Boat People" started 10 days earlier.

 

[Tink]

I wondered at the time what your intent was, considering we already had a duplicate thread on "Boat People" started 10 days earlier.

You got to have Rudd Weak on the heading - sheesh

Doesnt have the same effect

Political football

 

[Julia]

You got to have Rudd Weak on the heading - sheesh

Doesnt have the same effect

Political football

Tink, perhaps I'm being a bit slow, but can you explain this post. I have no idea what you are meaning. Ditto remark above about family in Sydney, what is that about?

The following could reasonably go on any of several threads at present.
It's a very amusing commentary by "Counterpoint" satirist Patrick Cook about some current events. Well worth a listen.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2009/2737377.htm

 

[Calliope]

The following could reasonably go on any of several threads at present.
It's a very amusing commentary by "Counterpoint" satirist Patrick Cook about some current events. Well worth a listen.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2009/2737377.htm

Excellent Julia. Satire cuts through the pompous bulls-sh*t propaganda every time.

 

[bigdog]

Rudd the Dud the leader of a rabble!!

Can not control the borders and should we trust him running the country?

 

[bloomy88]

Rudd the Dud the leader of a rabble!!

Can not control the borders and should we trust him running the country?

Probably not I would have thought

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

How many more boats are coming across the Indian Ocean since Rudd capitulated to a bloke called "Alex"?

What a response from the Prime Minister of Australia.

While he's stuffing about in Singapore and Copenhagen, the boats and people smugglers are getting in to top gear.

gg

 

[Calliope]

I love it. The President of Indonesia has given Rudd the finger. While Rudd claimed he was having meetings with him in Singapore, Bambang Yudhonono was doing his best to avoid the obnoxious p***k. The Indonesian solution has gone pear shaped. Bambang Yudhonono has even cancelled his proposed visit to Australia.

It's going to be a long night for Rudd's spin doctors.

 

[Wysiwyg]

I love it. The President of Indonesia has given Rudd the finger. While Rudd claimed he was having meetings with him in Singapore, Bambang Yudhonono was doing his best to avoid the obnoxious p***k. The Indonesian solution has gone pear shaped. Bambang Yudhonono has even cancelled his proposed visit to Australia.

It's going to be a long night for Rudd's spin doctors.

Yeah I saw that on the news. The Bambang cold handshake and brush-off, the dirty looks, the sour face. All Kev could do was smile.

 

[Mofra]

How many more boats are coming across the Indian Ocean since Rudd capitulated to a bloke called "Alex"?

What a response from the Prime Minister of Australia.

While he's stuffing about in Singapore and Copenhagen, the boats and people smugglers are getting in to top gear.

GG,

Given the majority of refugees arrive in Australia by plane, I'm a little curious as to why you seem so upset about the minority of boat arrivals.

I guess part of the question refers to media conditioning - are people now conditioned to find the term "boat people" highly emotive enough to ignore the majority of plane arrivals?

 

[Calliope]

GG,

Given the majority of refugees arrive in Australia by plane, I'm a little curious as to why you seem so upset about the minority of boat arrivals.

I guess part of the question refers to media conditioning - are people now conditioned to find the term "boat people" highly emotive enough to ignore the majority of plane arrivals?

Plane arrivals are much cheaper and easier to process and they have to have passports, and they are easier to turn around.

Boat arrivals usually don't have passports, they are very costly to process, and people smugglers decide which ones come here. And the "highly emotive" do-gooders get upset when we try to send the imposters back, because it is highly publicised by the media.

 

[Mofra]

Plane arrivals are much cheaper and easier to process and they have to have passports, and they are easier to turn around.

Many have false passports and can take a long time to process - detention centres are not set up exclusively for boat arrivals, they generally contain a mix.

Boat arrivals usually don't have passports, they are very costly to process, and people smugglers decide which ones come here. And the "highly emotive" do-gooders get upset when we try to send the imposters back, because it is highly publicised by the media.

I'd say neither the right nor left are too concerned by those who have applications for refugee status cancelled, althought he far left (including self-proclaimed anarchists) and the far right are never happy regardless of the situation.

As for the term "highly emotive" do-gooders, I have found the further left at least have a grasp on the facts, as opposed to those further right who tend to fill the void left by the absence of NRA in Australia.

 

[Calliope]

As for the term "highly emotive" do-gooders, I have found the further left at least have a grasp on the facts, as opposed to those further right who tend to fill the void left by the absence of NRA in Australia.

I'm not surprised. It's not hard to see where you are coming from. Why do you ask questions when you already know the answers?

 

[pilots]

Plane arrivals are much cheaper and easier to process and they have to have passports, and they are easier to turn around.

Boat arrivals usually don't have passports, they are very costly to process, and people smugglers decide which ones come here. And the "highly emotive" do-gooders get upset when we try to send the imposters back, because it is highly publicised by the media.

You will find that all most all of the plane arrivals are working, they can't get on welfare as they would found to be over stayers. The boat people are all wanting a HOUSE, WELFARE, HAND OUTS, can we afford that.

 

[Mofra]

I'm not surprised. It's not hard to see where you are coming from. Why do you ask questions when you already know the answers?

That wasn't intended as a personal attack, although your posting and language make your political bias fairly clearso I can understand how someone looking for balance can appear threatoning. I was merely responding to the need to try and denigrade the opinions of others with derogative terms by offering a counter view. By the way, sentences without question marks at the end are generally not questions.

 

[Mofra]

You will find that all most all of the plane arrivals are working, they can't get on welfare as they would found to be over stayers. The boat people are all wanting a HOUSE, WELFARE, HAND OUTS, can we afford that.

No, the plane arrivals applying for refugee status was my reference as per my post.

I'd like to know how you can substantiate the claim for handouts being specific to boat people - in my experience refugee claims for support are not significantly different regardless their route of arrival. It is also worth noting that many of the plane arrivals are non-genuine refugees as well so are refused status and sent home.

I personally don't see the importance in noting difference between method of arrival - an economic migrant is not a refugee is not an economic migrant, and method or arrival does not change this fact.