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nomore4s said:
I'll agree with that, but Nealge or whatever his name is, is a serious dud - I can't believe he gets a game.
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Hi Nomores

If you look back through this thread I have been saying the exact same thing since the start of the season. Others (who seem to be closer to Victoria) say that he is just missing a good preseason and that he is playing with injury.

I can't see a star forward to build a finals team around in Neagle. He seems to have good hands but only gets 3-4 touches a game. Then again everyone was saying how slow Watson is, only 3 years ago.

You mentioned about "are we playing soccer or football" a couple of posts ago. Did you see the dive by the North player to get the 50m penalty last night.

Duckman
 
kennas said:
Ryder suspended? Huh?

Sounds like Lloyd will go, but no loss.
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With all due respect Kennas, with you being out of the country I think some of your comments regarding certain players are a little too "black and white", as if all your information is being recieved from Stats Sheets on Monday mornings.

For example, your opinion of Fletcher. His form over the past 6 weeks since coming back from injury has been outstanding. And despite LLoyd's "great games" being few are far between these days, there is no way you can say he is "no loss" if he doesn't play. It is arguable that he started the comeback yesterday just through his presence. And if you don't play him, now that Lucas is gone, the forward line looks very thin. On current form I'd play him before Neagle every time.

I agree his days are numbered, but he should be afforded more respect, even in these twilight years, than being called "no loss".

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
And what about that bloke that used to play on him in Juniors!!!???? Word is that he could have been anything!!!!!:D:D
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Had a chat to sam the other day, do they get these guys on the weights 24/7? He's gotten huge since i saw him last a couple of years ago.

I reckon he'll grow and become a important midfielder, the commentators give him a good rap nearly every week. His tackling is insane.
 
nomore4s said:
I'll agree with that, but Nealge or whatever his name is, is a serious dud - I can't believe he gets a game.
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That must be why we just signed him to a new contract and the GC recruiter, Scott Clayton, had been in touch with his management :cool:

He has played 11 games this year and has averaged 3.8 marks a game and 1.7 goals.

Extrapolate that out to 22 games and you have a young, big raw kid kicking 38 goals for the year on a modified training program, not a bad effort.

He is only going to get better.
 
Real1ty said:
That must be why we just signed him to a new contract and the GC recruiter, Scott Clayton, had been in touch with his management :cool:
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Yes but to be fair Real1ty, considering that Hunt is the GC's big signing to date, Scott Clayton is going through EVERY player up for contract in the AFL. Name player or not!!
 
lol, lots of duds get resigned, he actually needs to start delivering.

Real1ty said:
He is only going to get better.
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I'm not so sure about that. While he is slow, for me that's not the problem, it's the fact his work rate is poor (I actually think he is lazy). I don't care if he isn't fit or had a pre-season he can still work alot harder then he is.

While he might have potential I not so sure he can take the next step but for Essendons sake I hope I'm wrong.
 
nomore4s said:
lol, lots of duds get resigned, he actually needs to start delivering.
I'm not so sure about that. While he is slow, for me that's not the problem, it's the fact his work rate is poor (I actually think he is lazy). I don't care if he isn't fit or had a pre-season he can still work alot harder then he is.

While he might have potential I not so sure he can take the next step but for Essendons sake I hope I'm wrong.
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nomore4s said:
lol, lots of duds get resigned, he actually needs to start delivering.
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Do they? i would be interested in you naming some duds that get resigned?

Now i can name thousands of players that get resigned and turn out to be duds but none of them were proven duds when resigned.

The point is that no club signs a player they know is **** but not all players make the grade and in fact far more don't make it than do.

You say he needs to start delivering, then why doesn't the same apply to Dowler who has played 2 more games than Neagle?

What about Mitch Thorpe a very high draft choice who has done absolutely nothing to date?

Why are Hawthorn persevering with them?

The clubs know how much talent and and potential they have that's why they keep them. Now turning that potential into performance is another thing.

Why does he need to start delivering?

How many goals did Lloyd, Fevola, Dunstall, Lockett kick in their first 11 games?

Lloyd - 20
Dunstall - 24
Fevola - 15
Lockett - 18
Neagle - 19

Supporters are far too impatient with big KPP players and they take time, sometimes lots of time.

Jay has had many set backs with his body and is still on a modified training program but his fitness is slowly improving.

Yes he needs to lose some weight and work harder and he has a long way to go and he may not even make it in the end but to call him a dud is wrong.

I still have a few contacts left within afl clubs and Jays talent is well known outside of Essendon.
 
Duckman#72 said:
Yes but to be fair Real1ty, considering that Hunt is the GC's big signing to date, Scott Clayton is going through EVERY player up for contract in the AFL. Name player or not!!
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Going through a list of players and making contact with their manager to gauge interest in a possible move are two different things.
 
Touchy.

Dowler is yet to prove himself but has shown some signs this year. Mitch Thorp is a dud and a huge disappointment and will be delisted or traded at the end of this year imo. Don't worry I think there are a couple of duds on Hawthorns list that need to start performing or be moved on.

You can have all the talent in the world but if you're not willing to work hard enough to make the most of that talent you won't be anything more then a bit player.

Neagle reminds me of Laycock, looks good at times but looks disinterested most of the time - neither of them work hard enough imo.

How long then before the heat should be applied to him? My point was that in his current shape & form he's lucky to be getting a game.

I hope he gets a good pre-season under his belt this year and performs next year just for you;).
 
nomore4s said:
Touchy.

Dowler is yet to prove himself but has shown some signs this year. Mitch Thorp is a dud and a huge disappointment and will be delisted or traded at the end of this year imo. Don't worry I think there are a couple of duds on Hawthorns list that need to start performing or be moved on.

You can have all the talent in the world but if you're not willing to work hard enough to make the most of that talent you won't be anything more then a bit player.

Neagle reminds me of Laycock, looks good at times but looks disinterested most of the time - neither of them work hard enough imo.

How long then before the heat should be applied to him? My point was that in his current shape & form he's lucky to be getting a game.

I hope he gets a good pre-season under his belt this year and performs next year just for you;).
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I'm going generalise in some areas here and not all of this is directed at you but the average supporter.

You say Thorpe is a dud.

Have you seen him playing juniors in Tassie? Have you seen him playing for the Box Hill Hawks regularly? Are you aware just how many injuries he has had so far?

Well you club has as have all the other AFL clubs and they can make an informed decision as whether someone is a dud or not, but you or the majority of supporters who call players duds can't, but it doesn't stop them.

Of course they will end up being right a lot of the time because most players don't make the grade and the average year span for a recruit is 4 years.

You can have all the talent in the world but if you're not willing to work hard enough to make the most of that talent you won't be anything more then a bit player.

Neagle reminds me of Laycock, looks good at times but looks disinterested most of the time - neither of them work hard enough imo.
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This is mostly true but not always.

Lockett was the laziest player you could see and for most of his career so was fevola but were they bit players? Of course not as they had so much more talent that it made up for their short comings.

I am not disagreeing with you that Neagle has to work harder and can look lazy and sometimes IS lazy but i am aware of his past history and some of the reasons for this so i can make an informed judgement.

Laycock has far less excuses than Neagle but also about half the talent.
How long then before the heat should be applied to him? My point was that in his current shape & form he's lucky to be getting a game.
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But that wasn't your point, your point was he was a "serious dud" and you don't know how he gets a game. Very different argument.

He gets long enough for his body to be able to give him a chance to show what he has on a consistent basis or his body gets to the stage where it won't let him play any longer. Considering we have just signed him to a 2 year contract he has at least 2 years.

Recruiters follow these kids sometimes from the age of 12 all the way through and they don't sign or resign duds it's just AFL is a very hard game to succeed in and the majority don't.

If being annoyed by people making broad uninformed statements makes me touchy, then so be it.
 
Reality...somehow I agree with you,
As a crows supporter I had doubts whether Bock or Vince would ever really make it in the Afl(both played for local club Woodville West Torrens)
Since then I have faith in the talent scouts and recruiters that have much more insight and homework on players than I have.
 
Duckman#72 said:
With all due respect Kennas, with you being out of the country I think some of your comments regarding certain players are a little too "black and white", as if all your information is being recieved from Stats Sheets on Monday mornings.

For example, your opinion of Fletcher. His form over the past 6 weeks since coming back from injury has been outstanding. And despite LLoyd's "great games" being few are far between these days, there is no way you can say he is "no loss" if he doesn't play. It is arguable that he started the comeback yesterday just through his presence. And if you don't play him, now that Lucas is gone, the forward line looks very thin. On current form I'd play him before Neagle every time.

I agree his days are numbered, but he should be afforded more respect, even in these twilight years, than being called "no loss".

Duckman
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I do read more that the stats sheet. Bomber TV is handy when overseas.

Yes, very difficult from oveseas, and I don't have a complete handle of what's going on.

Can't remember what I said about Fletcher, I doubt I would have bagged him, a legend, and still awesome value anywhere on the ground.

I may be off the mark with Lloyd. Yes, he is a 'presence'. I think I want my Captain and full forward to be more than that though. Maybe he's inspiring the others to go out and get reported on the eve of the finals?

On the surface of it, I think he's let us down this year as the top played player. And I think he would be thinking that too, and thus, why he's probably going to retire. Maybe I'm being disrespectful of a club champion, but sometimes you just have to call it as you see it. But, as you say, I'm a long way away.

Don't get me wrong Duckman, I am a mad Essendon supporter, and past player. Well, U/19s and twos anyway.
 
kennas said:
I may be off the mark with Lloyd. Yes, he is a 'presence'. I think I want my Captain and full forward to be more than that though. Maybe he's inspiring the others to go out and get reported on the eve of the finals?

Don't get me wrong Duckman, I am a mad Essendon supporter, and past player. Well, U/19s and twos anyway.
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No problems there Kennas. I know we both see through the "Red and Black Goggles".

In the cold hard light of "the day after" the bias against Essendon by the Channel 10 is even more apparent. On Saturday Walls and Quartermain were saying things like..."Will this be the last time we will ever see Lloyd play? If he gets 6-8 weeks he must consider if it will be worth going on."

On the Offsiders yesterday, Caroline Wilson said that he will possibly just get 2 weeks, and Gerard Whately even suggested there was an argument to get him off completely. The bigger story to them was the poor behaviour and ridiculous stance taken by Hawthorn officials, players and supporters. There is talk of Campbell Brown being fined by the AFL for his comments. And it was pretty poor form by Clarkson to come out after the game and say "Essendon don't deserve to be in the eight" - after beating Hawks twice, Carlton twice, St Kilda, Collingwood and drawing with Brisbane during the season!!!

It wasn't even as if Lloyd king hit him, he was just hard at the ball. Brereton, Diper, Vandenberg etc would must be embarrassed by the outcry.

It is a pity more Hawks don't follow Nomores example.

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
The bigger story to them was the poor behaviour and ridiculous stance taken by Hawthorn officials, players and supporters. There is talk of Campbell Brown being fined by the AFL for his comments.
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I must admit as a Hawthorn supporter I'm pretty embarassed by the way Hawthorn and Campbell Brown have carried on about the whole matter. While it wasn't good it wasn't that bad either.

I wonder what Brown's old man is thinking?
 
The crows are going to destroy Essendon this Friday night! I will be at Footy Park singing pride of South Australia!

I dont follow Essendon, but i have an old mate Jay Nash who plays for them, what has happened to him? Injured?
 
Ashsaege said:
The crows are going to destroy Essendon this Friday night! I will be at Footy Park singing pride of South Australia!

I dont follow Essendon, but i have an old mate Jay Nash who plays for them, what has happened to him? Injured?
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Good luck, you will probably beat us.

Jay must have been a good friend.

:rolleyes:
 
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