If all business cows in China are holy?

[Miner]

Folks

I thought to start this thread on the bullying and intimidating action of Chinese Government by holding a Rio executive in the name of espionage.

They now claimed that commercial sensitive materials were taken by offering bribe

That was a joke. As you ask any person doing business in China about the level of bribery and corruption there. It is irony that the level of corruption probably no less than that in Indonesia. China got away because of their massive financial power and population, Virtually all countries are now making their goods in China.

Question comes what happens next if Chinese companies totally denounce the copyrights of several products such as Sony, Panasonic and others and start imitation products without giving rats ?

How many bxxls will have our Prime Minister to say to his counter part if CHinese wants to show a lesson to Rio by sheer intimidation and hang the Rio personnel ? Probably they will leave the Aussie one but certainly hang their own country persons. They give xxit to us. They killed Tiernaman (sorry for spell) students, humilated Dalai Lama - who could raise any thing against them. We are all sold before China.

The damages IMO just started and wait and see with recent Chinese takeovers.

Rio has never had far sight and that was well proven their rejection of BHPB offer. Offering bribes by Australian companies outside Australia is an open secret. However Rio should have restrained when the Chinalco deal got cancelled.

What do you people think ?

 

[Sean K]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy ?

What did you want the title of the thread to say?

 

[Aussiejeff]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy ?

What did you want the title of the thread to say?

"Holy cow", batman???

 

[darnsmall]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

lol I'm watching Julie Bishop on Insiders say that no one should be held without charge, they've had him for a number of days now and has not had access to a lawyer or contact with anyone.
This is awesome!!!
I haven't seen hypocrisy like that since the liberal party and Guantanamo Bay...lol its great!!!
She thinks we're all idiots; just most of us.

 

[shag]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

you guys should look at the fonterra/san lu saga last year.
the fonterra exec's were pretty close to being arrested despite being clean, but they saw it comming and ran for cover.
fonterra is not in the scale of rio, and had far less time in china, but they lost all their technology and money and basically were thrown out. very valuable technology for the chinese.
it was the nasty melamine saga.
a few hundred million were thrown out the door in one go.

 

[darnsmall]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

not too fussed otherwise about what China's doing. we're not going to go to war with them. The US might, I'll move to middle earth if we do.

China's corrupt, massive, powerful, needed, feared. Foreign investment in China is a risk and it's probably not helped when they see us as trying to stop them from investing in Australia. I don't think our opposition parties will help our image in the Chinese eyes. And I think we should move away from China for investment and trade only if we can find another super power that can fill the gap they'd leave and be some how more morally stable; not likely.

So I think we just need to accept that this is the nature of the beast. We had the US before and its likely it will now be China. And they'll spend less trying to cover their tracks and their corruption they'll just do it and tell us to swallow it or piss off...fair enough. We were the surrogate state of the US for a while now we have an opportunity to align with China. Let's do it, make some money and hope we don't lose to many people their Guantanamo

 

[matty2.0]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

The relationship with the Chinese is too important IMO. We should sacrifice those Rio executives for the greater good.
China means big $$$ to us ... and we risk too much if we get into political arguments over them.

 

[Calliope]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

The relationship with the Chinese is too important IMO. We should sacrifice those Rio executives for the greater good.
China means big $$$ to us ... and we risk too much if we get into political arguments over them.

I think Rudd is giving off signals that Hu is expendable, while outwardly showing righteous indignation.

 

[matty2.0]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

I think Rudd is giving off signals that Hu is expendable, while outwardly showing righteous indignation.

Rudd's a smart guy, don't underestimate him. He knows how to play the political game. He definitely knows China that's for sure.
Malcolm Turnball is silly I think to just immediately jump in and say we should go after the Chinese straight away ... doesn't understand a thing about foreign affairs. China is huge, and Australia has a fantastic position with the rise of Asia this century. Many western countries like the USA and Europe would love to be in our position.

Chinese culture is a bit different. There's this thing called "face value". You have to show respect, and if you don't ... they won't immediately tell you that you are disrespectful, but they will show it to you in other ways ... like what is happening with Rio right now.
Watch what they do, not what they say. Same thing with the US currency ... they keep telling the US that they have faith in the US dollar and they won't sell US treasuries ... however behind the scenes, they are banding together with Russia, Hong Kong, Japan and other nations to set up a non-US based reserve currency.

 

[shag]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

Folks

I thought to start this thread on the bullying and intimidating action of Chinese Government by holding a Rio executive in the name of espionage.

They now claimed that commercial sensitive materials were taken by offering bribe

That was a joke. As you ask any person doing business in China about the level of bribery and corruption there. It is irony that the level of corruption probably no less than that in Indonesia. China got away because of their massive financial power and population, Virtually all countries are now making their goods in China.

Question comes what happens next if Chinese companies totally denounce the copyrights of several products such as Sony, Panasonic and others and start imitation products without giving rats ?

How many bxxls will have our Prime Minister to say to his counter part if CHinese wants to show a lesson to Rio by sheer intimidation and hang the Rio personnel ? Probably they will leave the Aussie one but certainly hang their own country persons. They give xxit to us. They killed Tiernaman (sorry for spell) students, humilated Dalai Lama - who could raise any thing against them. We are all sold before China.

The damages IMO just started and wait and see with recent Chinese takeovers.

Rio has never had far sight and that was well proven their rejection of BHPB offer. Offering bribes by Australian companies outside Australia is an open secret. However Rio should have restrained when the Chinalco deal got cancelled.

What do you people think ?

nz shut up extremely quickly over human rights abuses in china under the very socialist labour regime, once the FTA between the two was signed.
it was extremely hypocrytical of them given their usual rhetoric during their regime and supposed ideals.
i can't see rudd doing anything different.
BHP was very smart to allow rio to do the dirty work this year unless it all really blows out geopolitically.

 

[gordon2007]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

"The Rudd government's response is pathetic. What happened to our Mandarin speaking Prime Minister - he's turned out to be a dim sim. A week has passed and the government has only now visited Hu. Absolute joke. We expect a bit of Kung Fu to get the matter sorted and we end up with oragami."

That's friggin funny as hell. I nearly pissed myself laughing so hard. Read it online via news.com. It was someone's response to an article about rio and china.

http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,25768484-2,00.html

 

[matty2.0]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

"The Rudd government's response is pathetic. What happened to our Mandarin speaking Prime Minister - he's turned out to be a dim sim. A week has passed and the government has only now visited Hu. Absolute joke. We expect a bit of Kung Fu to get the matter sorted and we end up with oragami."

That's friggin funny as hell. I nearly pissed myself laughing so hard. Read it online via news.com. It was someone's response to an article about rio and china.

http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,25768484-2,00.html

Sounds like Turnball.

 

[Glen48]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

Here is a bit of Chinese logic, the way to save money on piling's and as they are underground no one will know.

 

[matty2.0]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

yep ... more iron ore needed ...

 

[knocker]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

The relationship with the Chinese is too important IMO. We should sacrifice those Rio executives for the greater good.
China means big $$$ to us ... and we risk too much if we get into political arguments over them.

remember Pig Iron Bob? Sent lots of ore to Japan and came back our way a few years later.

Australia has let way too many from places where corruptions is a way of life into the country. Most are good decent people, but I can not help suspect that a fair load of unsavoury types have entered and manged to infilitrate to positions of power. See what greed does.

 

[knocker]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

Here is a bit of Chinese logic, the way to save money on piling's and as they are underground no one will know.

Holy cr@p!!!! Was anyone in the building when it collapsed?

 

[knocker]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

Rudd's a smart guy, don't underestimate him. He knows how to play the political game. He definitely knows China that's for sure.
Malcolm Turnball is silly I think to just immediately jump in and say we should go after the Chinese straight away ... doesn't understand a thing about foreign affairs. China is huge, and Australia has a fantastic position with the rise of Asia this century. Many western countries like the USA and Europe would love to be in our position.

Chinese culture is a bit different. There's this thing called "face value". You have to show respect, and if you don't ... they won't immediately tell you that you are disrespectful, but they will show it to you in other ways ... like what is happening with Rio right now.
Watch what they do, not what they say. Same thing with the US currency ... they keep telling the US that they have faith in the US dollar and they won't sell US treasuries ... however behind the scenes, they are banding together with Russia, Hong Kong, Japan and other nations to set up a non-US based reserve currency.

Have not seen Krudds smiling face lately. What is he doing nowdays lol

 

[sammy84]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

The relationship with the Chinese is too important IMO. We should sacrifice those Rio executives for the greater good.
China means big $$$ to us ... and we risk too much if we get into political arguments over them.

Nice to see you have a spine. What other human rights should we forget in the search of greater monetary growth? I'm guessing you would be happy to sacrifice a lot so long as it doesn't affect you personally.

 

[Happy]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

...
Australia has let way too many Chinese into the country. Most are good decent people, but I can not help suspect that a fair load of unsavoury types have entered and manged to infilitrate to positions of power. See what greed does.

I would say it this way:
Australia has let way too many from countries that bibery and corruption is way of life.

Not that we didn't have any of that in Australia without them, but not long from now it will be way of life here too.

 

[knocker]

Re: Are all business cows in China are holy?

I would say it this way:
Australia has let way too many from countries that bibery and corruption is way of life.

Not that we didn't have any of that in Australia without them, but not long from now it will be way of life here too.

True I will rephrase that post as it is not meant to be rascist.