Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[rederob]

Goodness me rederob you are in fine form today !! Phillip Coorey is merely reporting on the Herald/Nielsen poll. Does this take brains? What about the Morgan/Galaxy/Newspoll polls? I am sure they will all say that Malcolm Turnbull has lost traction and credibility. That is a gimme. Brains ... what brains comrade?

Oh dear you are not at all bright!
That's a "Galaxy" poll you have tabled, and Coorey has quoted from a separate one. There was also a third poll.
I merely indicated that your statement about Labor losing ground was incorrect.
So to is your attribution to Coorey.
It's becoming a bit of a trend in this thread to tell lies, isn't it?

 

[trainspotter]

Name calling will get you everywhere rederob. I tabled the Galaxy poll which evidenced the trend of voter no confidence in the two party preferred system. I did point out that Coorey had used the information from the Herald/Nielsen poll and not the Galaxy poll. I also pointed out that Malcolm Turnbull has lost traction and credibility. What part of this do you fail to understand?

Galaxy found the Coalition's primary vote fell two percentage points over the month to 30 per cent, against a one percentage point rise for Labor to 44 per cent. On a two-party preferred basis, the Coalition vote fell one percentage point to 44 per cent and Labor's rose one percentage point to 56 per cent.

So on this matter I concede that Labor has actually risen 1 percent and not lost ground as I had predicted (Damn listening to channel 9 in the mornings)

As for the matter of typing untruths in this thread ... I will treat this with the contempt it deserves.

 

[kincella]

poll for the preferred opposition leader......costello 43%, turnbull 24, hockey 15, abbot 11.....so plenty think the same as I....

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22073824-5013404,00.html

 

[trainspotter]

poll for the preferred opposition leader......costello 43%, turnbull 24, hockey 15, abbot 11.....so plenty think the same as I....

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22073824-5013404,00.html

Whilst I am in such a conciliatory mood and know when to admit that I am wrong, I humbly apologise for my opinioned rant about Peter Costello. Seeing how he has quit politics and is most unlikely to return and is about as useful as a bicycle to a fish the poll seems a bit pointless really. I only remember that the people and or polls did not like him because of his swarthy arrogance. And there was that perpetual smirk on his face too. Bummer for him.

 

[kincella]

last week peter said he would quit....but he just needs to nominate for his seat of higgins and he is back in the game by 30.6.09... and the fiasco of turnbull since that date.....must have everyone running for cover....idiot turnbull

rudd does a whole lot of faces...licks his lips, kidding he is not smirking....
we need a responsible person in there...regardless if you think he smirks or not...versus a non smirking irresponsible tool.....plenty of tools around to choose from

 

[Calliope]

poll for the preferred opposition leader......costello 43%, turnbull 24, hockey 15, abbot 11.....so plenty think the same as I....

Unfortunately they are grasping at straws. None of that four will ever lead the Liberals back to the government benches.

 

[trainspotter]

Well, let's hope he does. But I am of the belief that he will not re-enter politics or be no match for the everyman Kevin Rudd who appeals to the electorate by being a chameleon. At the moment he is enjoying too good a ride with the press, sort of reminds me of Nero Caesar actually, he fiddles whilst Rome burns. Back to the Peter Costello thingy .. can you imagine the headlines "Costello does the hokey pokey" you put one foot in, you put one foot out. You get the drift. Credibility would be shot, media circus, skeletons in closet about why the Libs didn't do enough in the glory years while he was Treasurer, lotsa baggage to carry. Once again this is only my opinion. The Libs will wander around aimlessly in the political wilderness until the population of Banana Republic Land wake up to themselves.

 

[Calliope]

http://images.smh.com.au/2009/06/28/608037/420mucci-420x0.jpg

A hyena pack hunts in Canberra
Paul Sheehan
June 29, 2000

Illustration: Michael Mucci
Wildlife programs on TV are wholesome, but they are often heavily censored, especially those depicting life on the plains of Africa. The editing always draws a veil at gruesome moments, such as when a pack of hyenas have brought down their prey. Hyenas don't wait for their food to be dead.

They start to rip and tear while there is still life and movement, before the eyes of their prey glaze and natural opiates puts the animal into numbed shock. It is nature's in-built protection for violent death.

We got the uncensored equivalent live on TV last week, when our federal leaders descended on their prey, eyes gleaming, bloodlust in the air, red meat on the floor. There were five men operating as a pack - Kevin Rudd, Anthony Albanese, Lindsay Tanner, Tony Burke, Chris Bowen - with an intent to leave a shredded political carcass on Capital Hill.

 

[awg]

You got that right. It was a well crafted sting. The young men Rudd surrounds himself with have plenty of talent.

It was "bust a mole 101"

I know for a fact that the most highly sensitive docs are distributed with tiny differences, so if it comes to light they KNOW where it came from ( if they have leak suspects)

The PS leaks like a sieve, but there is absolutely no excuse if you get caught.

I used to work in the PS, and the policy was that you would be arrested by Federal Police, at your desk, in full view of your collegues, in the event of serious breaches.

Embarrassing the Treasure and PM is as bad as it gets

 

[rederob]

So on this matter I concede that Labor has actually risen 1 percent and not lost ground as I had predicted (Damn listening to channel 9 in the mornings)

As for the matter of typing untruths in this thread ... I will treat this with the contempt it deserves.

As you admit to typing an untruth, so should you deserve to be treated with contempt, as you kindly point out.
Pity your colleagues can't admit to their untruths.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Red and Train,

Wouldn't you agree that a prerequisite for politics is not to tell the truth.

Whenever a politician says something I assume the opposite will occur.

So I think that they all have been telling porkies, Rudd, Swan and Turnbull.

gg

 

[Calliope]

Pity your colleagues can't admit to their untruths.

As I have said before you shouldn't accuse other posters of lying when you know your hero Rudd is a serial liar. Perhaps you should also treat him with contempt.

 

[rederob]

As I have said before you shouldn't accuse other posters of lying when you know your hero Rudd is a serial liar. Perhaps you should also treat him with contempt.

Am happy to let you do your best.
I shall reserve mine for appropriate occasions.

 

[trainspotter]

Ooooooohhhh rederob you poor misguided Laborite, when did you become blind to objective truth? Your poor attempts at trying to pin the tail on the donkey is so far left of field that I am sure that you have forgotten as to why you are actually in here. Your opinion is inefectual as much as most of your rambling Labor loving posts. It is people like you that keep the party machine fervent in their belief. It is disappointing because for awhile there I thought you were a worthy adversary. Such a shame .. a crying shame.

My opinion that Labor had slipped in the polls was exactly that, an opinion that I opined for public view. For this I have fallen on my sword and apologied enmasse to the collective. Surely you of all people have never made a margin call that did not turn out the way you expected.

As for the contempt charges. Take it up with Herr Rudd and his cronies and ask them if their abuse of power in the Senate is anything to go by.

Harumph comrade red. I pity you to your bilndness.

 

[Calliope]

Actually utegate week was a good week for the country. At the rate the Rudd government has been getting the country into debt, a week of doing nothing has saved the taxpayers billions of dollars.

 

[rederob]

My opinion that Labor had slipped in the polls was exactly that, an opinion that I opined for public view.

So let's do "threadgate".
At 9.22am you responded to my post of 6.54am, in which I made clear and unambiguous reference to poll outcomes.
At 12.56pm you made this statement; "Labor loses ground in same poll but not as newsworthy".
Your defence is that in the 6 hours you had to review polling data on the impact of "utegate" you chose not to, and instead proffered an "opinion".
Turnbull had an opportunity to check the veracity of an email that he chose to use in calling for a Prime Minister to resign.
You had an opportunity to check the information that you now wish to claim as an "opinion".
You have either shown poor judgement, or have lied.
As a lawyer, I would vigorously argue the case for the latter based on your history.
As a good hearted person, I will concede your humanity.

 

[gooner]

Well, let's hope he does. But I am of the belief that he will not re-enter politics or be no match for the everyman Kevin Rudd who appeals to the electorate by being a chameleon. At the moment he is enjoying too good a ride with the press, sort of reminds me of Nero Caesar actually, he fiddles whilst Rome burns. Back to the Peter Costello thingy .. can you imagine the headlines "Costello does the hokey pokey" you put one foot in, you put one foot out. You get the drift. Credibility would be shot, media circus, skeletons in closet about why the Libs didn't do enough in the glory years while he was Treasurer, lotsa baggage to carry. Once again this is only my opinion. The Libs will wander around aimlessly in the political wilderness until the population of Banana Republic Land wake up to themselves.

trainspotter

Completely agree.

But the real reason people will not vote for Costello is that smirk - it just gives an image of being arrogant. Turnbull has the same problem. Personally I would not vote for either of them.

 

[Julia]

Back to the Peter Costello thingy .. can you imagine the headlines "Costello does the hokey pokey" you put one foot in, you put one foot out. You get the drift. Credibility would be shot, media circus, skeletons in closet about why the Libs didn't do enough in the glory years while he was Treasurer, lotsa baggage to carry. Once again this is only my opinion. The Libs will wander around aimlessly in the political wilderness until the population of Banana Republic Land wake up to themselves.

I hadn't thought about that potential problem for Costello, but yes, you're probably right. However, on his past record for verbal jousting, I'd expect him to give as good as he received. Academic anyway, as he's showing no signs of changing his mind.

 

[Calliope]

Forget about Costello. It would be too damaging to his inflated ego to sit on the front bench and be torn to shreds by the pack of hyenas as illustrated in post #488 plus Gillard. He only shines when the situation is reversed, and he's in control.

 

[trainspotter]

So let's do "threadgate".
At 9.22am you responded to my post of 6.54am, in which I made clear and unambiguous reference to poll outcomes.
At 12.56pm you made this statement; "Labor loses ground in same poll but not as newsworthy".
Your defence is that in the 6 hours you had to review polling data on the impact of "utegate" you chose not to, and instead proffered an "opinion".
Turnbull had an opportunity to check the veracity of an email that he chose to use in calling for a Prime Minister to resign.
You had an opportunity to check the information that you now wish to claim as an "opinion".
You have either shown poor judgement, or have lied.
As a lawyer, I would vigorously argue the case for the latter based on your history.
As a good hearted person, I will concede your humanity.

rederob... I thank you for your suggested humanity seeing that you are a lawyer and all. I now understand your egregious attempts to be seen as the victor. Seeing as I live on the west coat the time diiferential is a moot point to establish a timeline. But I defer. Your response of requesting whether or not "brains" of a trainspotter was comparable to a Phillip Coorey symposium of a Herald/Newspoll poll was the ire of my contempt. Unfortunately I do not have this thread hardwired to my cerebral cortex and unfortunaltely had to spend some time on a business transaction rather than jousting the finer points of who was on first and such. If you care to look back on my response you will see a full conceding apology to you and the collective readers of this thread, for this mistake and I also blamed channel 9 news for my preferrred stance on this matter.

To imply that a "lie" has been somehow misconstrued "throughout" this thread is by far one of the better goading positions I have seen by anyone let alone a lawyer. Do I need your approval to suggest my history is somehow flawed? Tsk tsk old boy ... you should read some more lawyer books to do better than that.

Once again I reitereate that I thought of you in a far higher opinion than I do now. My mistake, I will not let that happen again.