Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[rederob]

I think what is missing here is that people are starting to grow tired of the spin being placed on what is coming out of Canberra and the mood shift is being shown here in this thread. The times they are a' changing brother.

Some dots are missing.
The spin will keep coming.
But what will Turnbull do when finally he has to come clean?
He is claiming "privilege". It's the pollies version of the 5th amendment.
Turnbull is up to his eyeballs in the Grech affair and he's handling it by closing down all attempts to be questioned about it.
His days are numbered.

 

[MrBurns]

Some dots are missing.
The spin will keep coming.
But what will Turnbull do when finally he has to come clean?
He is claiming "privilege". It's the pollies version of the 5th amendment.
Turnbull is up to his eyeballs in the Grech affair and he's handling it by closing down all attempts to be questioned about it.
His days are numbered.

No politician will divulge his sources same as a journalist so he can legitimately hide behind that one.
BUT - someone wrote that email and it's up to the AFP to sort that one, and it wouldn't surprise me if it originated from the Labor camp to trap Turnbull.

And yes everyones sick of the spin, he's not even good at it, too obvious.

 

[rederob]

No politician will divulge his sources same as a journalist so he can legitimately hide behind that one.
BUT - someone wrote that email and it's up to the AFP to sort that one, and it wouldn't surprise me if it originated from the Labor camp to trap Turnbull.

And yes everyones sick of the spin, he's not even good at it, too obvious.

It's true that Turnbull can choose not to divulge his sources.
He will realise, however, that as there may be criminality involved, he stands judicial scrutiny and a possible jail sentence. I think that would be an excellent outcome for the Opposition as Turnbull has proved himself totally unfit for the highest office in the land.
Problem solved!

 

[Gamblor]

Ya gotta be kidding me rederob?? You honestly believe that this does not smack of collusion?? Information sent to his PRIVATE home fax?? Denials in parliament that he had not received information in regards to the whole torrid affair?? Mr Swan claimed he was not following the situation closely?? Which part of this are you not getting? I concede the whole matter is a dismal failure on the Libs behalf and the smoking gun has blown up in their face BUT really !! Even the hardest died in the wool Labor voter must realise at some time that MAYBE ... yes just maybe the hand was caught in the cookie jar.

The problem is it doesn't matter - at worst Swan tried to assist a mate and if that's something they think will turn an electorate they have another thing coming. If he got his mate a loan there could have been an issue but at the end of the day he got nothing so there is no issue. This whole situation is a joke and it's funny watching the desperation from the libs.

If anything there will be much more damaging information dug up against the libs in response to this childish smear campain

 

[Gamblor]

It's true that Turnbull can choose not to divulge his sources.
He will realise, however, that as there may be criminality involved, he stands judicial scrutiny and a possible jail sentence. I think that would be an excellent outcome for the Opposition as Turnbull has proved himself totally unfit for the highest office in the land.
Problem solved!

The funniest part is the Libs trying to compare this with Rudd and his AWB whistle blower. The fact Rudds info wasn't fraudulent doesn't even seem to register with these clowns.

 

[trainspotter]

The problem is it doesn't matter - at worst Swan tried to assist a mate and if that's something they think will turn an electorate they have another thing coming. If he got his mate a loan there could have been an issue but at the end of the day he got nothing so there is no issue. This whole situation is a joke and it's funny watching the desperation from the libs.

If anything there will be much more damaging information dug up against the libs in response to this childish smear campain

In the scheme of things you are right Gamblor ... it doesn't matter in the big overall picture that 18 months ago we had NIL debt and we are now 200 billion in the red. Every man, woman and child is now responsible for $733 per annum for the next 20 years. Slightly off topic I know but somehow valid.

The Libs are in disarray and have barely laid a glove on the Teflon Don known as Kruddy or Rudd 747. Malcolm Turnbull is no match for Kevin07 political/party machine nouse just as Mark Latham was not the answer to the Howard juggeranut. To say that Mr. Turnbull is guilty of going off half cocked is accurate. To imply he somehow had a hand in this poor attempt at a "childish smear campaign" is indefensible at best.

My point is that when the populace of this great land of ours are fed up to the back teeth at the B/S that streams from his mouth that we will have the right to vote him and his credit card tactics clean out of office. Once again the poor 'ol Libs will have to perform their neat hatchet job and toe cut the largesse and pay off that horrendous debt we now have draped around our neck like a millstone for the rest of my working life.

 

[drsmith]

BUT - someone wrote that email and it's up to the AFP to sort that one, and it wouldn't surprise me if it originated from the Labor camp to trap Turnbull.

That would not suprise me either.

On another note, Kevin will want to be careful calling an early election on the basis that he considers the Coalition as being down for the count. The ALP Labor government of WA (Alan Carpenter) tried that last year and lost.

 

[Macquack]

In the scheme of things you are right Gamblor ... it doesn't matter in the big overall picture that 18 months ago we had NIL debt and we are now 200 billion in the red. Every man, woman and child is now responsible for $733 per annum for the next 20 years. Slightly off topic I know but somehow valid.

The Libs are in disarray and have barely laid a glove on the Teflon Don known as Kruddy or Rudd 747. Malcolm Turnbull is no match for Kevin07 political/party machine nouse just as Mark Latham was not the answer to the Howard juggeranut. To say that Mr. Turnbull is guilty of going off half cocked is accurate. To imply he somehow had a hand in this poor attempt at a "childish smear campaign" is indefensible at best.

My point is that when the populace of this great land of ours are fed up to the back teeth at the B/S that streams from his mouth that we will have the right to vote him and his credit card tactics clean out of office. Once again the poor 'ol Libs will have to perform their neat hatchet job and toe cut the largesse and pay off that horrendous debt we now have draped around our neck like a millstone for the rest of my working life.

Nice attempt at a balanced argument there Trainspotter, except you did not refer to the PM (Teflon Don... Kruddy or Rudd 747) by his real name yet gave that respect to the opposition leader (Malcolm Turnbull...Mr Turnbull).

Your bias would have been better camouflaged if you referred to the opposition leader as "turntable", "turncoat", "turnstile" or some other endearing nickname.

 

[trainspotter]

Nice attempt at a balanced argument there Trainspotter, except you did not refer to the PM (Teflon Don... Kruddy or Rudd 747) by his real name yet gave that respect to the opposition leader (Malcolm Turnbull...Mr Turnbull).

Your bias would have been better camouflaged if you referred to the opposition leader as "turntable", "turncoat", "turnstile" or some other endearing nickname.

No bias here Macquack ... through and through Liberal man myself and damn proud of it, worked for every cent I have and never been a member of a union or otherwise. As the MEDIA has been quick to anoint the chosen PM with such coloquial handles that I have aforementioned and so far the newspapers and others insist on calling Malcolm Turnbull, Mr. Turnbull and nothing else of any comic proportions, I reckon a clever journalist might one day write in a column somewhere:- "Mr Turnbull is exactly that .. he can turn BULLsh*t into caviar" ... until then I will stick to my camouflaged verbosity and slink away into the background.

 

[Buckeroo]

At the end of the day, I think everyone lost something from this debacle. Well, all except the media - I reckon they made a killing in advertising dollars from this whole affair.

Maybe, just maybe, it was the media who drafted the email!

Anyway, with the pizling that Turnbull received this week, he still got up and talked to the media to explain his side of things. He didn't hide as others did and faced the music front on. I do now have respect for the guy - hes got guts.

Cheers

 

[GumbyLearner]

No-one lost anything.

Mal Turntable didn't table anything!

He should RESIGN!

That's the core of the Westminster Parliamentary Democracy.

Goodbye. I could not put it more politely!

 

[rederob]

At the end of the day, I think everyone lost something from this debacle.

Weekend polls show Labor and Rudd "won" - both rose in popularity.
Turnbull nosedived.
Hockey touted by Lib kingmakers as next best thing.

 

[Calliope]

Weekend polls show Labor and Rudd "won" - both rose in popularity.
Turnbull nosedived.
Hockey touted by Lib kingmakers as next best thing.

Congratulations Rederob. You have had a good week. Not only has Labor's dirty tricks department clearly defeated the Lib's amateur attempts in this department, but to put icing on your cake, a further 200 of your beloved illegal immigrants have been welcomed to Christmas Island.

 

[trainspotter]

Felicitations to you Rederob and your army of card carrying socialists. You and your ilk have managed to slay the media dragon and keep those unrepresented swill on the other side of the senate self flagellating and navel gazing that will last for several weeks whilst the factions sort themselves out.

If my memory serves me correctly a very similar thing happened with your mob around 2001 with Kim Beazly who lost the election only to be replaced by Simon Crean who steered the good ship "Credit Card" straight onto the rocks. Roll on late 2003 when a media hatchet job landed the ever popular Mark Latham to the prize seat of Union Leader. After a particulary nasty and spectacular meltdown in the heat of battle he was replaced by Kim Beazley Mk 2 on 28 January 2005. The media savvy Kevin Michael Rudd performed the best Brutus act in Caucus and managed to backstab his way to victory on the 4th December 2006. To Mr. Rudd's credit he has managed to deflect any mudslinging thus far and retains the mantle of "Supreme Ruler" to this day.

This is the nature of politics. Cyclic and national mood swings are par for the course. It won't be long before the good citizens of Banana Republic Land will awake form their sleepy little coma and once again toddle off to the polling booths only to find themselves 200 billion dollars in debt. OUCH !

Hope I got the names correct and with just the right amount of bias Macquack !

 

[MrBurns]

Told you so ...hes also a full card carrying member of the gay mens club !
No wonder we all feel rear ended.

In fact he looks more gay than Bruno.

 

[Stan 101]

It won't be long before the good citizens of Banana Republic Land will awake form their sleepy little coma and once again toddle off to the polling booths only to find themselves 200 billion dollars in debt. OUCH !

The debt level is a recurring theme here at the moment. Are you trying to say that if Libs had not lost the last election, Australia would not be looking down the barrell of debt in the coming years? I'd really like to see some solid forecasts on how the Libs would avoid debt and keep the economy ticking over were they still in power.

In their last terms Libs lowered debt but they also did so at the expense of national infastructure. For instance, the national highway north of Noosa all the way to Cairns is a damn disgrace and in worse conditions than the nation roads of many third world countries. It's easy to save mone when neglecting much needed infastructure.

People have been concerned about water for years, yet the Libs did nothing about unifying a national pipeline or similar for the good of the nation during one of our most prosperous time in recent history.
Just what did the Libs put in place in the way of infastructure for the good of the nation whilst squirrelling away money?

It's a false economy to refuse to service the car and just keep driving it and driving it till it breaks catastrophically. Libs didn't worry about servicing anything, they would just blame the Lab party for all the breakdowns when Rudd took power.




Cheers,

 

[trainspotter]

Which one is Bruno?

 

[trainspotter]

Hiya Stan ... Yep that is exactly what I am saying. I believe the boys in the blue singlets have tapped the credit card a little too hard in my opinion. Ys, something had to be done to keep the country afloat. Giving $900 x 3 to the populace was probably not the greatest of fiscal policy I have seen. Not one job was created BUT it more than likely helped save a few.

How can I theorise if Liberal got in we would be better off ... I cannot. All I can do is look back at the public record and state categorically that when the Libs got in with Howard we had massive debt ratio then left behind by the Labor party. When he was voted out (and rightly so) the country had NIL debt. Hmmmmmm ? Recurring theme here or what? Labor gets in and spends like a drunken sailor then Liberal gets in and toecuts the economy and pays off debt.

Libs lowered debt? They paid the credit card off ...NIL/ZERO/ZOT/NUFFIN.

So, the road from Noosa to Cairns is in a state of disrepair? Who is in political power in QLD ? Anna Bligh is still at the wheel asleep I guess? Why hasn't she lobbied Herrr Rudd for $$$ to fix it? No wait ... she has just given up the fuel subsidy and Banana Benders now will pay what the rest of the country pays.

Oh, by the way come over to Western Australia where you pay $1.85 for fuel in the backlots (read Broome, similar to Cairns but not as pretentious) that do not have a bitumen road wider than a goat track.

 

[Knobby22]

Told you so ...hes also a full card carrying member of the gay mens club !
No wonder we all feel rear ended.

In fact he looks more gay than Bruno.

They are both straight.
Sacha's girlfriend is gorgeous.

 

[trainspotter]

Oh yeah Stan ... The Libs had enough foresight to create a future fund to protect the superannuation of all the Government employees. And left enough in the kitty for Kevin Achtung Baby to place 20 billion dollars into the building industry. Not much really. The Federal Road Funding Policy has been a joke as not a lot of the taxes raised form petroleum seem to go back to this cause.

Now here's a consideration. After the National Debt is paid off instead of voting Libs out of office why don't we get the Government to SPEND our taxes on Infrastructure/Hospitals/Schools etc.