Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[MrBurns]

Me too, moXJO. Today's exchanges are hilarious.

I do my best

 

[jbocker]

Swan - second rate? When was he promoted?
He is a be-ute-y
(sorry couldnt help myself)

 

[Quincy]

I think I actually felt my brain twist in my head trying to do just that

That would require 3 things:
Thinking
Feeling, and a
Brain
My belief is that the 3 strikes rule makes your statement redundant.

What is that smell ???? Oh it's you Rederob, how nice to once again experience your rapier wit

ra·pi·er / ˈrāpēər/
• n. a thin, light, sharp-pointed sword used for thrusting.
∎ [as adj.] (esp. of speech or intelligence) quick and incisive: rapier wit.



I hadn't heard of "rapier wit" before. I like it.

There you go, you learn something new every day.

 

[inenigma]

 

[kincella]

I thought this was very appropriate to this subject........
since the weisel kids himself all of us are fools......when in fact only half the voting population put him up there.....

The philosopher Herbert Spencer once observed: "The ultimate result of shielding man from the effects of folly is to people the world with fools."

 

[Calliope]

They are laughing because they hoodwinked the poor suckers sitting opposite...as well as the country.

 

[rederob]

They are laughing because they hoodwinked the poor suckers sitting opposite...as well as the country.

They are laughing because Turnbull's ego is bigger than his brain.
They are laughing because Turnbull's "smoking gun" fired blanks, before blowing up in his hands.
They are laughing because a peculiar inference about the the grant of a ute was nothing more than a pecuniary interest on the register, from Grant.

 

[Timmy]

They are laughing because ...

Whoopee-cushiongate

 

[Calliope]

They are laughing because Turnbull's "smoking gun" fired blanks, before blowing up in his hands.

Of course, and they are fully entitled to gloat. The Labor dirty tricks boys engineered the sting, and it was very successful.

 

[rederob]

Of course, and they are fully entitled to gloat. The Labor dirty tricks boys engineered the sting, and it was very successful.

Laughable.
Not in bed with Julia?

 

[Calliope]

Laughable.
Not in bed with Julia?

I notice that your posts always descend to petty nastiness, when you don't have a rational response.

I could respond in the same vein, but I won't stoop to your level.

 

[rederob]

I notice that your posts always descend to petty nastiness, when you don't have a rational response.

I could respond in the same vein, but I won't stoop to your level.

I tend to rely on facts, or the best available information.
Your ilk are throwing around wild theories about the fake email: No evidence to back it up.
Add to that your contention that Swan misled Parliament. Again, no evidence, but if you repeat it often enough you will believe it.
Top it off with suggesting that Labour is up to "dirty tricks", when in fact it's most likely that Turnbull was up to something with Grech and other Party goons, and he got caught out.
As I said, your post was LAUGHABLE, as were Julia's earlier on, and in league with Burns and others.
As Rudd and Swan have said, put up or shut up.

 

[kincella]

as if....those two hyenas are not off the hook.....
oh and its obvious you have not bothered to read the emails......
where there's smoke there's fire.....

 

[Calliope]

I tend to rely on facts, or the best available information.
Your ilk are throwing around wild theories about the fake email: No evidence to back it up.
Add to that your contention that Swan misled Parliament. Again, no evidence, but if you repeat it often enough you will believe it.
Top it off with suggesting that Labour is up to "dirty tricks", when in fact it's most likely that Turnbull was up to something with Grech and other Party goons, and he got caught out.
As I said, your post was LAUGHABLE, as were Julia's earlier on, and in league with Burns and others.
As Rudd and Swan have said, put up or shut up.

Every improvement in communication makes the bore more terrible.

The internet must have been a godsend to you.

 

[Uncle Barry]

Good afternoon,
Good Comrade Red,
Please don't show your inner self with these nasty stabbing kinds of answers, if you canot come out with a clean straight forward answer, maybe its best you don't answer at all.

You being a wonderful supply of how the labour party thinks and works is amazing and your knowledge of how Mr krudd and swan think and what they do is totally valuable to me and I feel others are thinking the same way.
I thank you.

So please don't spoil it all, all your hard work at protecting the party with these cheap shots at nasty stuff, you can do better I feel.

I noticed there is another Stock Forum with a Party operator there also, selling the message and protecting the party no matter the subject, and I now wonder if this a team play or just a Party directive maybe ?

Kind regards,
UB

 

[trainspotter]

Did you know that the six leading members of the Government from Mr Rudd down, the top six have a collective work experience of 181 years. But only 13in the private sector. If you take out of those 13 years the number that were spent as trade union lawyers, that total 11, of the 181 years only two years were spent in the private sector.

So the people who will rack up a net Federal debt minimum of 188 billion, the highest in our history, have virtually no experience in business.

So out of 181 years:

- no years spent running their own business
- no years spent starting their own business
- no years spent as a director of a family business or a company
- no years as a director of a public company
- no years in a senior position in a public company
- no years in a senior position in a private company
- no years working in corporate finance
- no years in corporate or business restructuring
- no years working in or with a bank
- no years of experience in the capital markets
- no years in a stockbroking firm
- no years in negotiating debt facilities with banks
- no years running a small business
- no years at the World Bank or IMF or OECD
- no years in Treasury or Finance.

But these people have plunged Australia into unprecedented debt, and now have the gall to rub our noses in it like a naughty puppy caught weeing on the carpet. BUT they do know how to put on a spin to get them out of trouble.

 

[kincella]

What a wicked web Wong weaves
Submit comment Olga Galacho

June 25, 2009 12:00am
HOW could the Federal Government have tangled itself up in so many knots over climate change policy that even Kevin Rudd is confused about which bits of legislation have been discussed in Parliament and which bits are waiting on the sidelines?

The whole debate on how the nation will lower carbon emissions has become a complete and utter fiasco.

No one is sure whether we will have policies this winter, this year or in fact ever, thanks to the government's inability to understand that in order to reduce carbon emissions you actually need laws that encourage investment in zero emission activities.

Even after thousands of pages of analysis produced by umpteen government, non-government and business organisations across the 19 months that climate change has been a red hot topic, it seems the government is still clueless.

Late yesterday, another spanner was thrown into the works when the Senate commendably passed a motion calling on the government to model the cost of achieving greenhouse emissions cuts of 40 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020.
and this bit.......
She has a great talent for spinning rhetoric, but it is merely long-winded and obscure hot air.

And as a legislator of meaningful emissions policy she has failed, failed, failed. Mr Rudd should remove her from the climate change portfolio and give this big task to a minister who better understands how to transition the economy to a low carbon future.

ogalacho@heraldsun.com.au
Phone: 9292 1775



http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25685985-5000117,00.html

 

[rederob]

as if....those two hyenas are not off the hook.....
oh and its obvious you have not bothered to read the emails......
where there's smoke there's fire.....

You would be wrong!
Having read the relevant emails I concluded, as I have posted, that Swan has not done anything less than a Minister should do; and that his Department has probably done a little more.
What is pivotal, and Turnbull knows it, is that "special" requires something more than convention allows. There is no evidence - yet - that Swan did anything "special". Instead, the Opposition has tried to tie-in Ford Credit and Grant, on the basis that Swan directed it. If Swan did, it's not written. And if it was "said" to Grech, we have a major "credibility" issue: His recollection may be "false".
If anyone is not off the hook, it's Turnbull. Oddly enough, if he is reeled in during the winter recess it will be via Audit or the AFP, or both, but not Rudd!

 

[dutchie]

Current position world wide:-

Politicians in power:

Time spent on governing = 1%
Time spent trying to stay in power = 99%

Politicians in opposition:

Time spent on considered and constructive assistance
to their countries governance = 0%
Time spent trying to get into power = 100%

Result = => World financial/economic/social crisis
(and this sort of sh#t)



.......... if only it was the other way around!

 

[trainspotter]

The facts are as follows:- A series of emails that emerged on Friday as a result of intense questioning of Treasury officials by the Opposition in Senate estimates hearings revealed:

 Mr Grant's case was handled personally by staffers in Mr Swan's office and by senior Treasury officials;

 Mr Swan was kept informed of the progress of the case, including via his home fax; and

 Treasury head Dr Ken Henry was also kept in the email loop as to how Mr Grant's application was being treated.

Me thinks Mr Swan has overstepped his duty of care as Treasurer perhaps? I wonder if the other car dealers received this kind of treatment from the omniscient Mr Swan?