Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[Tink]

I will say sorry if you say sorry - says Turnbull

OMG now we are definitely back at school........

Hasnt this finished yet?

 

[Agentm]

the only smoking gun was the one that turnbull shot himself in the foot with

he is no leader, piont proven

libs need to move on or rudd will call an early election

 

[kincella]

When Kevin Rudd was in opposition he apparently obtained and used leaks to do exactly the same thing he is now accusing Turnbull of....
how about that...news today said Rudd turned up in parliament with leaks about the AWB.....and refused to reveal who his leaks were....
the hysteria now is to avoid scrutiny of the emails that have been released...and those emails do prove that Rudd lied on June 4th...when he said he had no infor about Grant...
when in fact the emails reveal he did enquire and was advised on the grant progress...in Feb

Peter Costello...where are you

 

[Quincy]

the hysteria now is to avoid scrutiny of the emails that have been released...and those emails do prove that Rudd lied on June 4th...when he said he had no infor about Grant...
when in fact the emails reveal he did enquire and was advised on the grant progress...in Feb

This was the point I was alluding to in my posts of yesterday morning. Post #'s 284 and 288.

 

[Gamblor]

When Kevin Rudd was in opposition he apparently obtained and used leaks to do exactly the same thing he is now accusing Turnbull of....
how about that...news today said Rudd turned up in parliament with leaks about the AWB.....and refused to reveal who his leaks were....
the hysteria now is to avoid scrutiny of the emails that have been released...and those emails do prove that Rudd lied on June 4th...when he said he had no infor about Grant...
when in fact the emails reveal he did enquire and was advised on the grant progress...in Feb

Peter Costello...where are you

The only reason people want the utegate leak named is because a fraud has taken place. You can try and compare that to the AWB situation but you're argument holds no water because the information leaked was legitimate.

If Rudd is implicated in the emails no amount of hysteria will stop him being held to account. Once again your argument holds no water.

Oh and Peter Costello is smart enough not to go near this with a 10 foot pole

 

[Calliope]

Paul Kelly;

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25680668-12250,00.html

Understand what is happening here. This is a concerted and co-ordinated Labor campaign to turn the public against Turnbull on character grounds and ensure that he is unelectable as prime minister. For Labor, it is the ultimate insurance. With Costello going, the Liberals have no more options: it is Turnbull or the bush. Even if unemployment does reach 8.5 per cent, the public will not vote for a change of government unless it trusts Turnbull. The more Labor's attack makes progress, the more scope it has to broaden the narrative to include aspects of Turnbull's business past.

Labor will probably succeed. They have mobilised government agencies (including the ABC) and services to dig up every bit of dirt on Turnbull. Like a modern day Galahad, Turnbull rode to the rescue of the Liberal left who are just a bunch of softies. Abbot is the only one who is capable of fighting back.

He probably thought that Parliament was a gentleman's club Even though he was raised in the hard-nosed business world he is just a babe-in-the wood up against the Labor Party machine. Howard could match them in their skullduggery, but even he would have been hard pressed against the Rudd spin machine with the media lapping it up. Those in power have all the power.

And now the precedent has been set. It is OK to mislead (lie to) Parliament and the people. It wll be open slather for the next four or five years.

 

[rederob]

And now the precedent has been set. It is OK to mislead (lie to) Parliament and the people. It wll be open slather for the next four or five years.

If you hold to the Opposition line, then you have a point.
The facts, as they stand, do not support a "lie".

On the other hand, if you are in Opposition you can call the Prime Minister to resign, without any evidence.
Oops, Turnbull relied on a "respected" senior bureaucrat named Grech and his damning testimony: Such watertight testimony that Grech actually qualified his evidence to the point of it possibly being "false".

Day by day day Turnbull digs himself a deeper hole. He set a trap for Rudd, hoping he would fall. But it seems Turnbull is the more likely victim of his own (not so very) clever ploy.

 

[GumbyLearner]

On a lighter note

Little Girl vs Former Merchant Banker turned politician

A politician was seated next to a little girl on the airplane when the politician turned to her and said, 'Let's talk. I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.'

The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said to the stranger, 'What would you like to talk about?'

'Oh, I don't know,' said the stranger. 'How about the banking crisis?' and he smiles.

'OK', she said. 'That could be an interesting and timely topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?'

The politician, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, 'Hmmmm, I have no idea.'

To which the little girl replies, 'Do you really feel qualified to discuss banking when you don't know ****?'

 

[rederob]

Mr Turnbull's heroic performance some minutes ago on the 7.30 Report prove that he can put both feet in his mouth at once. I applaud the man.

 

[MrBurns]

Mr Turnbull's heroic performance some minutes ago on the 7.30 Report prove that he can put both feet in his mouth at once. I applaud the man.

This whole thing has become an example of how not to answer a question.

If there's anything illegal of improper about this let the AFP dig it out, you certanly wont get too many confessions.

 

[GumbyLearner]

This whole thing has become an example of how not to answer a question.

If there's anything illegal of improper about this let the AFP dig it out, you certanly wont get too many confessions.

I noticed earlier in thread someone accused you of being a Liberal Party staffer?

Is that true? If not, what do you do for a crust?

 

[MrBurns]

I noticed earlier in thread someone accused you of being a Liberal Party staffer?

Is that true? If not, what do you do for a crust?

Ex real estate agent now in IT, I'm not right wing either but vote where the common sense lies, it's usually more apparent in the Libs

 

[scanspeak]

With Turnbull in charge, the Libs have zero chance of ever winning an election.
Labor would be wise NOT to push too hard for his resignation.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Ex real estate agent now in IT, I'm not right wing either but vote where the common sense lies, it's usually more apparent in the Libs

Databases, programming, networks...may I ask?

I'm an ex-transport worker but now I work part-time in education.

 

[MrBurns]

Databases, programming, networks...may I ask?
I'm an ex-transport worker but now I work part-time in education.

I build, run and sometimes sell successful web sites I guess would be the easiest way to put it.

 

[GumbyLearner]

I build, run and sometimes sell successful web sites I guess would be the easiest way to put it.

Innovative, hats off to you.

 

[MrBurns]

Innovative, hats off to you.

Thanks Gumby, it's paid off very well.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Thanks Gumby, it's paid off very well.

No probs. Nothing wrong with making some bucks if you've got the know-how and the dedication for success.

Anyway back to the debate.

 

[Julia]

I wonder if Mr Turnbull takes a look at his own performance after he comes off the 7.30 Report. If not, surely some of his colleagues or advisers should put him straight about what a complete disaster it was. He hit completely the wrong note at the start by attempting to make a joke of the whole affair, particularly the Albanese reference to Mark Latham, and (especially in the face of O'Brien's serious demeanour) he fell flat on his face.

I don't think I've ever seen a more embarrassing performance by the leader of a political party.

 

[GumbyLearner]

I wonder if Mr Turnbull takes a look at his own performance after he comes off the 7.30 Report. If not, surely some of his colleagues or advisers should put him straight about what a complete disaster it was. He hit completely the wrong note at the start by attempting to make a joke of the whole affair, particularly the Albanese reference to Mark Latham, and (especially in the face of O'Brien's serious demeanour) he fell flat on his face.

I don't think I've ever seen a more embarrassing performance by the leader of a political party.

All I can say to Mr.Turnbull is this.

Hey asshole, you accused the Prime Minister of this country of corruption?

You have no evidence.

Resign you're an asshole.