Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[GumbyLearner]

Howard simply refused to be put in the firing line, and made his staff scapegoats when the going got tough. He even let his most senior advisor and good friend fall on his (Howard's) sword when evidence that tested his credibility got too close for comfort.

Rudd has made several statement in the House about what he knows, and what his staffers advise. He has had his Departments search for the smoking guns that now appear in the media. Nothing has turned up. Rudd is now asking the Auditor General to "search".
In this matter Rudd is fully aware that the Senate can probe more deeply still, and that Labor does not have control of the Senate.

The most amusing aspect of this matter is that, for some reason, we are putting aside the millions of dollars of political party contributions that have in the past curried favours, and are now focusing on something that is trivial in the extreme when put into the broader context.

Grant had a right to know about the program which affected his business, and would have been well within his rights to speak to any parliamentarian about it. That MP would have had a duty of care to ensure Grant's request was acted on. Turnbull has turned a right of citizenry into a three ringed circus where he, as Ringmaster, is managing to call the shots. It is an act of great buffoonery where, as the curtain falls, he will be revealed as the Clown he is.

The main reason why I became a political atheist.

 

[Julia]

It will be interesting to see how this all works out.

He's called an inquiry into it.

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That's not due to be completed until end of July. By then something else will be more important.

The government's problems are as much about Mr Rudd and Mr Swan's categoric denials as about what they and their staff have done. This is as much about the obfuscation or the cover-up as the alleged crime - that the government asked public servants to give priority to a prime ministerial friend and political donor.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25662847-5017906,00.html

That's exactly right.
There's no issue with the car dealer's provision of the ute to Mr Rudd.
It was appropriately recorded on the Register.

If, as looks likely from the now published emails, Mr Rudd and/or Mr Swan sought preferential treatment for their friend, then it's probably no more or less than we'd expect. However, I absolutely agree with MoXJO about not accepting corruption however small it seems. These are taxpayer funds and must be used absolutely without prejudice or favour.

But the real problem is that when previously asked if any assistance had been sought for the car dealer, both Mr Rudd and Mr Swan denied this, and did so repeatedly. It's the lying (or misleading if one is being kind) that I have an issue with, if in fact that's what has happened.

Can you really tell I'm biased I think it’s more a dislike for the Labor party at present then being a lib supporter.

I feel the same. I'm a swinging voter, have voted for Labor both federally and state. Didn't vote for them last time, but thought Mr Rudd would be OK. I don't feel that way any more.

 

[GumbyLearner]

OzCar emails an elaborate hoax: Rudd

Kevin Rudd has branded leaked emails supposedly detailing his efforts to help a car dealer friend secure a taxpayer-funded loan an "elaborate hoax".

The emails were allegedly sent on Mr Rudd's behalf to Godwin Grech, the head of the Government's $2 billion OZ Car scheme, seeking financial help for Ipswich car salesman John Grant.

They were purportedly sent from the computer of Mr Rudd's senior economic adviser Andrew Charlton to Mr Grech.

But Mr Rudd's spokesman told the Daily Telegraph no such email ever existed.

"We believe the email is fake," the spokesman was quoted by the newspaper as saying.

"The opposition must rule out any involvement in the creation or distribution of this fake email."


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/827872/newspaper-publishes-ozcar-leaked-email

06:05 AEST Sat Jun 20 2009

If it is found to be a hoax, I wonder if Turnbull will do a Ralph Willis?

 

[MrBurns]

"The opposition must rule out any involvement in the creation or distribution of this fake email."

Thats a leading statement assuming the email is fake.

Tell you what .........if Rudd resigns because he's a terminal tosser and financial incompetent we'll call it quits. Fair enough ?

 

[kincella]

they have had several weeks to destroy the evidence of the first email...except for the ones that Gech disclosed at the senate hearing yesterday...
just because you delete an email from your PC does not mean its vanished...and can not be found....
because rudd is such a control freak...and abuses his staff...is it 60+ have left...anyone of them would probably prefer to make a leak...
and I guess god help Gech....facing the wrath of the bad tempered pm, and the rest of the bully boys

oh gilliard...is so awkward, probably never seen a more ugly woman....and now with the unions offside....her job is not safe....she will not be a pm...

and Miss Wong wears the pants.....hehehehehe
wot a motley ugly little group holding the reins

and anyone notice...oates and mccrann now saying Costello was the best treasurer ever....thats an about face....
in fact there are quite a few about faces from the political reporters....
who have not been reporting for 2 years...just been saying what the pm tells them to say..... weisels...all of them
I dont like any of the weak libs either....
but at 51 Costello can have a break for 6 months while the libs self destruct...then take over the camp....turnbull and abbott should be gone by then...I would leave Joe Hockey somewhere he can be mentored for a future role
believe Costello is the only one to bring us out of this mess..............
ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[Calliope]

We all know that Rudd and his staff tell porkies.

This from The Punch.

The affair is reminiscent of the Sunrise Dawn Service fiasco where Mr Rudd emphatically denied that his office had been involved in any attempts to reschedule the Anzac Day Dawn Service, only for emails to emerge proving he had done just that.

The Sunrise affair went to Rudd’s candour and it suggested a bit of glibness and cleverness in his replies - but in essence it remained a silly kerfuffle over a TV show. The Grant affair is in a different category as it involves the disbursement of public money, suggestions of favours for friends, and as of today’s estimates hearings, the undeniable proof that Mr Rudd has either cocked up or cooked up his line of defence in the Parliament.

His staff also denied he had abused the tea lady on the plane, and that he threw a hissy fit over the hairdryer.

All little lies, of course, but good training for the big lie

 

[Quincy]

Swan hits back at Libs on OzCar email

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/827872/newspaper-publishes-ozcar-leaked-email

14:20 AEST Sat Jun 20 2009

"Reports today indicate that the opposition has sighted that fake email.

"I think Opposition Leader Mr Turnbull should provide full details of when they saw it and who gave it to them.

"This is absolutely essential to know because we have this smear campaign that's being mounted on the basis of a fake email.

"Mr Turnbull has a responsibility to outline how he saw it, where he saw it and who provided that to the opposition."

Shortly before Mr Swan spoke to reporters in Brisbane, Mr Turnbull told reporters in Sydney that the opposition had no involvement with the email.

 

[moXJO]

We all know that Rudd and his staff tell porkies.

This from The Punch.



His staff also denied he had abused the tea lady on the plane, and that he threw a hissy fit over the hairdryer.

All little lies, of course, but good training for the big lie

LOL you didn't start this website Calli?

http://kevinruddlies.com/lies/kevin.htm

 

[Timmy]

There's no issue with the car dealer's provision of the ute to Mr Rudd.
It was appropriately recorded on the Register.

Well if that's the case can we still call it Utegate? (please)

 

[kincella]

I think the UTE was another con to begin with...let people think rudd was a good old bloke, who just drove around in an old bomb ute......seems harmless enough......

 

[kincella]

I found this on a blog....

the question
I need to know, are there any laws/legislation / standards which ISP's MUST follow in regards to disaster recovery/backups?

For example, do certain records need to be kept for a certain amount of time and so on. If so, where can I find the specific documentation related to this?

the answer........
Yes their certainly are laws, ones that relate to work place injuries (stored till 2040), legally privileged information. Educational results. Court documents. Forensic Documents. Medical Documents. Internal office communications, Contractual information, a whole raft of requirements depending on the industry.

If you have a US office, or are incorporated in the US, they also have their requirements you need to meet under SOX/HIPPA etc. European Privacy laws are also very strict, if you interact with European countries you need to manage their data in accordance with the EU privacy laws, this may or may not impact on your storage/archival/recovery requirements.

You also have The Privacy Act, and Freedom of Information Act, you may or may not need to meet. ISP's also have requirements under the Telecommunications Act. If you as an ISP are involved in Telecommunications Intercept, and store/process that information, you have a further requirement for archive as defined under the PSM (Protective Security Manual) which refers to the ISM (Information Security Manual) Formerly ACSI33, this stipulates requirements for the storage and archiving of audit information etc. If your ISP has had such data, I suggest you discuss it with your liaison officer inside Attorney Generals Department, and they can help inform you of your requirements.

What state is 'Central Coast' in? There are state laws - SA has the State Records Act - http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/manage...gislation.html. I'm sure 'Central Coast has similar requirements.

Federal Requirements are covered by the Archive Act 1983 (An Act relating to the preservation and use of archival resources, and for related purposes) - Last updated 11/2008
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legi...nImageResource


Aren't you glad you asked that question


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which i think is BuLL****. unless we're a public company, how long we keep records for us entirely up to our own corporate governance

Absolutely not. Worker on your site inhales asbestos during a work place accident. Your required to keep correspondence etc about that incident until 2040 (in SA at least). Sure the company may like to delete the information tomorrow so there is no evidence of neglect/negligence (ie, oops we forgot to tell him) etc, but if you do, you are now breaching another law. Some laws are very 'odd' other laws have a basis of common sense and for the protection of people. This is one of the latter.
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ref;
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=773936

and here is the legislation....you will note....most govt records have to be archived.....so if it was there..they will find it

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/1C7081057CA1E510CA257458003089A7/$file/Special+Access+1988_without+footer.pdf

 

[JTLP]

they have had several weeks to destroy the evidence of the first email...except for the ones that Gech disclosed at the senate hearing yesterday...
just because you delete an email from your PC does not mean its vanished...and can not be found....
because rudd is such a control freak...and abuses his staff...is it 60+ have left...anyone of them would probably prefer to make a leak...
and I guess god help Gech....facing the wrath of the bad tempered pm, and the rest of the bully boys

oh gilliard...is so awkward, probably never seen a more ugly woman....and now with the unions offside....her job is not safe....she will not be a pm...

and Miss Wong wears the pants.....hehehehehe
wot a motley ugly little group holding the reins

and anyone notice...oates and mccrann now saying Costello was the best treasurer ever....thats an about face....
in fact there are quite a few about faces from the political reporters....
who have not been reporting for 2 years...just been saying what the pm tells them to say..... weisels...all of them
I dont like any of the weak libs either....
but at 51 Costello can have a break for 6 months while the libs self destruct...then take over the camp....turnbull and abbott should be gone by then...I would leave Joe Hockey somewhere he can be mentored for a future role
believe Costello is the only one to bring us out of this mess..............
ggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Abbott can go..Turnbull no.

Turnbull is charismatic, intelligent, financially sound & knowledgeable and would IMO make a fantastic 2 way team with Costello. "Working Australians" (this phrase really grinds my gears) don't look kindly at Turnbull because he retains these qualities...especially the fact that he has a fortune in excess of $200m whilst the "Aussie Battlers" struggle to pay their home loans

Australia has such a massive tall poppy syndrome problem it's sickening...

 

[Julia]

Well if that's the case can we still call it Utegate? (please)

Of course we can. Such a title is just too good to give up.

 

[Calliope]

SMH today

Rudd and Swan are not taking a backward step and neither are reckless men. But Swan has been made to look silly. He has repeatedly told Parliament Grant received no special treatment.

The emails tabled at the inquiry yesterday, however, showed Mr Grant's request for assistance with credit was deemed important enough to keep the Treasurer, the departmental secretary Ken Henry, and the Treasurer's most senior staff apprised of developments. No other dealer referred to Treasury received such attention.

Because they all knew that Rudd would throw a fit if they didn't pull it off. And he would have us believe that they didn't keep him well informed.

 

[Stan 101]

* You accuse media and board members of jumping to conclusions and no proof (except the fact it's sitting in his driveway and his mate has a massive favor loan)

Well there is no proof anything untoward has happened yet. As mentioned it's on the record. It should be simple enough from the metadata in the emails to track the origin.

* You condone corruption

I think I poorly asked in my own "weird' way what corruption actually is. Where does favours or donations stop being simple contributions and start becoming bribes or corruption?
Big business offering huge donations to party coffers is deem legitimate yet it allows the direct ear to those in power. It is legal but in my eyes it is legalised corruption. You interperatation may vary.

I mentioned I condone minor corruption. Yes I do, certainly. If I have a client in the hotel industry and I am offered free dining once a month under the guise of business relations I accept. To me, that is corruption. The hotellier would not give such an invite unless they thought there was some benefit to them somewhere down the line.

If I need to keep a client or bring them to my way of thinking, the first thing is dinner, drinks, and a show. This in my eyes is also corruption in my eyes. Again, your concepts may differ. The client gets freebies and I get what I want. Win - Win.
I can assure you I would have not gained "important" clientele if such ongoing arrangements did not take place. My soul despises it at times, unless I genuinely enjoy the company of the client, but I still condone it.
So yes I condone minor corruption. At least my understanding of it.

* You jump to conclusions and accuse me of corruption, which is in itself hypocritical

See above my explaination of minor corruption. Yes I was wordplaying with you. It was to juxtapose toward my other post. Yes I do thin a little too laterally sometimes. You are right to feel a little raw. No malice was intended, I assure you. I thought I put some smily faces into the equation to negate the seriousness.

* We both get more confused

I live in a world of confusion. I enjoy it to some extent. It allows for new ideas to arise. I enjoy free thinking. I put it down to Edward DeBono. Damn that man's many hats.


I don't expect you to agree. I'm happy for you not to. I hope I have given a little insight or clarity to my previous posts, though.



Cheers,

 

[Quincy]

Utegate: Federal police called in

PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd says the Australian Federal Police will investigate whether someone impersonated a public servant and made up a fake email that is at the centre of the OzCar scandal engulfing the government.

Mr Rudd said Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull had claimed to be in possession of documentary evidence that indicated his office had lobbied on behalf of Ipswich car dealer John Grant.

Mr Turnbull had now changed his tune and his integrity was at stake, he claimed.

"Today Mr Turnbull is in full retreat on this claim,'' Mr Rudd told reporters in Canberra.

"How easy it is in the business of national politics simply to throw mud at people and then having thrown the mud to run away.

"Mr Turnbull's done that today.''

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25663243-5001021,00.html

June 20, 2009 04:04pm


Another investigation announced by Kevin Rudd.

 

[MrBurns]

The King of spin is trying to turn it all back on Turnbull, Turnbull isn't the one who mislead Parliament and lied through his teeth ...........thats Rudds specialty.

I meet people regularly now who don't just dislike him they hate his smarmy smart **** guts and I can see their point.

 

[moXJO]

Well there is no proof anything untoward has happened yet. As mentioned it's on the record. It should be simple enough from the metadata in the emails to track the origin.

,

I would say it's a printed copy that was handed over to the press.

 

[Quincy]

The King of spin is trying to turn it all back on Turnbull, Turnbull isn't the one who mislead Parliament and lied through his teeth ...........thats Rudds specialty.

I meet people regularly now who don't just dislike him they hate his smarmy smart **** guts and I can see their point.

I would imagine that by now, this issue is receiving world-wide coverage.

One can only imagine the fall-out if the investigation proves that the subject E-mail is authentic and came from the Prime Minister's Office.

 

[kincella]

I think you can all now forget about whether there was an email or not....
I believe there was an email...and it will be located....hence the bluff by Rudd...
I think Rudd has woken up to the fact that the email is on the record and will be found....no matter how hard him and his mates tried to delete it....
no wonder Grech....was trying to tell the truth...he probably knows a bit more about the archive laws...

so now the pm is saying....
he wants the Fed Police to find out....'who impersonated a PS'
hohoho...so a fake person used the PM's PC to send a fake email
right...try pulling the other leg....this one is not responding

PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd says the Australian Federal Police will investigate whether someone impersonated a public servant and made up a fake email that is at the centre of the OzCar scandal engulfing the government.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25663243-5001021,00.html