Asylum-seekers 'dead, missing' in explosion on way to Christmas Island

[Solly]

"THIRTY-FOUR suspected asylum-seekers injured in an explosion aboard their boat off the Western Australian northwest coast will be taken to Australian hospitals for treatment."


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25341744-421,00.html

If they are genuinely seeking asylum, fleeing persecution and are willing to travel half way around the world and take unbelievable risks to maybe one day be "Australian" how can we deny these people a "fair go"......?

 

[Bobby]

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If they are genuinely seeking asylum, fleeing persecution and are willing to travel half way around the world and take unbelievable risks to maybe one day be "Australian" how can we deny these people a "fair go"......?

Stuff them ! :321:

 

[waza1960]

Why should these people get a fair go? They are jumping the queue ahead a people just as deserving who are going through the proper channels. So the labor party ridiculed the Coalition government policy on border control for years but so far I see Krudds approach as a total disaster i.e increases in boat numbers reaching our shores with all the inherent risks to the alleged refugees and to our own Navy personnel and then kicking out Aussies out of hospital beds (Broome)to make way for these people and the smugglers make a nice profit also and the best the government can do is put the minister on TV and say we are talking to Indonesia to change their laws what a joke

 

[pilots]

"THIRTY-FOUR suspected asylum-seekers injured in an explosion aboard their boat off the Western Australian northwest coast will be taken to Australian hospitals for treatment."


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25341744-421,00.html

If they are genuinely seeking asylum, fleeing persecution and are willing to travel half way around the world and take unbelievable risks to maybe one day be "Australian" how can we deny these people a "fair go"......?

Solly, Little Johnny had them under control, now we have hey big spender in charge, and we are over run with low life. I will welcome any one here, as long as they come in the proper way.
Tell me this, they have the money to travel around the world to get here, WHY not do it the proper way.

 

[numbercruncher]

Dammit, more pressure for our struggling Hospital system ....

 

[noco]

"THIRTY-FOUR suspected asylum-seekers injured in an explosion aboard their boat off the Western Australian northwest coast will be taken to Australian hospitals for treatment."


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25341744-421,00.html

If they are genuinely seeking asylum, fleeing persecution and are willing to travel half way around the world and take unbelievable risks to maybe one day be "Australian" how can we deny these people a "fair go"......?

Looks like children overboard again, only its real this time.

I would like to know how many others meet a watery grave trying to get here.

We will never know! Mr Rudd has blood on his hands by relaxing the laws.

 

[Julia]

Solly, not a lot of support so far for these people. And if indeed it does turn out to be true that they have sabotaged their own vessel by pouring petrol over it and igniting, injuring Australian Navy personnel in the process, you can bet your life any shred of sympathy that may have existed for them will evaporate pretty quickly, including mine.

The Howard government had this under good control,maybe were too rigid in some instances, but looks like under Rudd we will be back to the previous times of being overrun by would be immigrants to take advantage of our generous health care and social security.

But no worries, we don't mind paying more taxes to look after these people.
Never mind those who are dutifully applying for a place here under the established system.

 

[nunthewiser]

I suppose suggesting that we blow them outta the water when they enter our territorys would be deemed as inapropriate?

 

[Happy]

Why should these people get a fair go? They are jumping the queue ahead a people just as deserving who are going through the proper channels. So the labor party ridiculed the Coalition government policy on border control for years but so far I see Krudds approach as a total disaster i.e increases in boat numbers reaching our shores with all the inherent risks to the alleged refugees and to our own Navy personnel and then kicking out Aussies out of hospital beds (Broome)to make way for these people and the smugglers make a nice profit also and the best the government can do is put the minister on TV and say we are talking to Indonesia to change their laws what a joke

If anything we should make it harder to migrate to Australia especially for queue jumpers.

They can be anybody including the bad guys.
If they come form Indonesia, our minister should talk to Indonesia how to send them back and put them through correct immigration channels.

 

[derty]

I suppose suggesting that we blow them outta the water when they enter our territorys would be deemed as inapropriate?

I think if you did you would get a standing ovation from the crowd here.

May you all never face situations so dire that you spend all you have and risk the life of yourself and your family to escape.

 

[metric]

"THIRTY-FOUR suspected asylum-seekers injured in an explosion aboard their boat off the Western Australian northwest coast will be taken to Australian hospitals for treatment."


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25341744-421,00.html

If they are genuinely seeking asylum, fleeing persecution and are willing to travel half way around the world and take unbelievable risks to maybe one day be "Australian" how can we deny these people a "fair go"......?

mate, there is a que. these people are que jumpers. they pay big money to get on those boats.......

 

[Surly]

I think if you did you would get a standing ovation from the crowd here.

May you all never face situations so dire that you spend all you have and risk the life of yourself and your family to escape.

Derty,

If the situation was that dire perhaps they would of escaped to a nearby country not one thousands of kms away. They head here as we are a soft target and a preferred place to live not the next safest port of refuge.

AFAIK Afghanistan is a land locked country, so they have crossed borders to get here.

cheers
Surly

 

[kitehigh]

Derty,

If the situation was that dire perhaps they would of escaped to a nearby country not one thousands of kms away. They head here as we are a soft target and a preferred place to live not the next safest port of refuge.

AFAIK Afghanistan is a land locked country, so they have crossed borders to get here.

cheers
Surly

Well said Surly, it is a know fact that they cross many countries before making the final push onto Australia. We are known as a soft country that has great social security and people smugglers advertise these facts to the would be refugee.

If it was up to the screaming left they would just throw open the doors and soon we would have 100's of thousands of these social refugees flooding into the country. You only have to look at the UK to see how things have turned out after unchecked immigration.

 

[Gspot]

Helicopters and planes seaching and airlifting to hospitals in Perth etc for serious emergencies.
That is alot of dollars and resources spent on illegal immigrants that us good taxpayers fork out, while our aged Australian (taxpayers their whole life) must be asked to wait longer for their own surgery.
When the world is festering with so many humans and not much else, I have alot of other ways to spend our tax dollars.

 

[Calliope]

John Howard's statement; "We're going to decide who comes to Australia and the circumstances in which they come", was greeted with shock and horror by the powerful Australian migrant lobby groups.

Apparently their preference is that the people smugglers will decide who comes here, and the lobby groups will use all Australia's legal processes to ensure that when they get here, they will stay here.

 

[Buster]

Hey Noco,

Looks like children overboard again, only its real this time.

I think I've covered this many times before.. so, sorry to those that have had to listen to me waffle before..

Children overboard DID happen people.. It was real last time.. just talk to anyone that was serving upon HMAS ADELAIDE at the time..

And this is not the first time that the boat people have set their boats alight.. It's what they do. As soon as they see a Warrie on the horizon they go about disabling their vessel, often they hole it so it begins to sink, sometimes they torch the engine room. Maritime law dictates that they must be assisted/rescued.

A RAN Warship is considered 'Australian territory'.. so, they sink/torch their vessel, get rescued by a Warrie.. Bingo! They made it to Australia..

Consider this.. What would you do if you'd traveled half way round the globe (with your kids), there is a warship on the horizon steaming toward you, and the skipper of your vessel has just torched the engine room?

Dunno about you, but I'd tip you'd ditch the kids and yourself into the pi** to escape the flames..

Don't take much imagination, does it?

Cheers,

Buster.

 

[Buster]

If it was up to the screaming left they would just throw open the doors and soon we would have 100's of thousands of these social refugees flooding into the country. You only have to look at the UK to see how things have turned out after unchecked immigration.

Ha ha.. No mate, you just need to look at WA.. I find it incredible the number of Brits I've met recently who have migrated here in order to escape the UK 'as the hordes have 'destroyed' the country'.. they all warn to get hot on immigration..

Shame Enoch (Powell) didn't get a run, things would be very different today I'm sure.. popular with the people, but the other pollies thought him too big for his boots and ousted him.. It seems everyone has 20/20 vision in hindsight..

Check here for Enochs 'River of Blood' speech..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech

Regards,

Buster

 

[robandcoll]

Conveys of 10 ambulances with police escort to Royal Perth Hospital. The queues will be long and out the door tonight at emergency. Footage seemed to only show adult males. Now why doesnt that surprise me.

 

[Julia]

And this is not the first time that the boat people have set their boats alight.. It's what they do. As soon as they see a Warrie on the horizon they go about disabling their vessel, often they hole it so it begins to sink, sometimes they torch the engine room. Maritime law dictates that they must be assisted/rescued.

Well, if they did indeed sabotage their vessel (and we don't actually know that yet, to be politically correct), they seem to have rather got it wrong, don't they, considering three are dead, two missing, and many so seriously injured that they are unlikely to survive. And amongst those who will survive serious burns, they are pretty unlikely to recover to the extent they can enjoy a life in our oh so hospitable country.

In the meantime, I hope someone is keeping tabs on the expenses incurred in the rescue, the medical evacuations, the land transfers, and the extensive medical costs/ongoing rehabilitation.

And then there is the fact that some of our own Navy personnel have been injured in the course of doing their duty.

Meantime, Australians who have been on medical waiting lists for years will again be pushed further back in the queue.

It seems the Indonesians today foiled an apparent further attempt by people smugglers to send another boatload to Australia.

Might be good to have an understanding with Indonesia that:

(a) asylum seekers departing Indonesian shores will on reaching Australian waters be despatched smartly back to Indonesia,

(b) wouldn't the Iraquis and Afghanis be more, um, comfortable in Indonesia anyway, given their religion and culture are the same?

Except, of course, that Indonesia doesn't offer the same level of medical care and social security that Australia does.

 

[Buster]

Well, if they did indeed sabotage their vessel (and we don't actually know that yet, to be politically correct), they seem to have rather got it wrong, don't they, considering three are dead, two missing, and many so seriously injured that they are unlikely to survive. And amongst those who will survive serious burns, they are pretty unlikely to recover to the extent they can enjoy a life in our oh so hospitable country.

Julia, I'll put my next years wage on it.. Not trying to be cocky, just trying to 'explain' how they think.. It's a very different mentality to what most of 'us' would consider 'rational'.. Hence they find themselves bobbing around in a leaky wreck (and thats another point, they don't use 'good' vessels for this sort of trip, as it is generally a one way deployment). Not sure how much time you've spent up top, but life is VERY cheap in many of the Asian countries.. OH&S isn't one of their strong points either..

I've spent many many months, on more than a few occasions, 'hanging' around Xmas Is in support of operation RELEX.. I guess I'm speaking from experience.. Oddly some find it hard to accept.. It'll be interesting to see how the media twist it for some political gain, as they did with the children overboard. Oh, and they may find this country more hospitable if they played by the rules..

then there is the fact that some of our own Navy personnel have been injured in the course of doing their duty.

Hmm.. not sure where you are going with that, but if you're suggesting that it is of little concern to me I can assure you that it is my foremost concern.. These Guys and Gals, sadly, don't get enough recognition for what they do day in day out.. Having spent in excess of 25 years in the RAN (and only recently discharged) I guess I can speak from experience on this too. I certainly hope our troops are not seriously hurt..

What annoys me the most is that 'real' warships stopped patrolling up north last Sep/Nov due to fuel costs.. The patrol boats took over (it could be argued that it was intended for them to commence operations as they came on line) however, they don't really have the capability to do it right. No smears on the professionalism of these guys in any way, it's just a matter of numbers. A FFH/FFG has a complement of 150 -200 troops, a Patrol boat is lucky to have a fifth of that number, so a boarding party taken from the crew of a patrol boat significantly affects the ability of that boat to function..

K Rudd has to answer some hard questions regarding the softening of policy in my opinion.. Hopefully the Australian populace will start asking them..

I may be mistaken, but after rereading you post a few times I cant help but feel from the 'tone' of your post you don't share my view and find my attitude less than 'tasteful'.. No drama's, we don't agree on this particular subject.. But we can still be friends, can't we..

Regards,

Buster