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couple of points...green ,
you will not find tee tree oil in the detergent section...its in the health section and designed for the skin....about $5 for 10 ml is not exactly cheap....
I was not aware of the need to water it down.... used it straight and undiluted....did not have a problem with the spray....but at $15 for a small 100 gr can, again is not cheap....
there is a tee tree antiseptic cream that gave mild relief
all very expensive exercise when you are trying to get relief and you do try a range of products...
thank goodness for the 'chemistwarehouse' which are much cheaper than the average chemist...

antihistamine tablets off the shelf was another remedy.....so far I cannot see any benefit gained

not knocking any product,,,, each individual can receive a different response to a product....but in the end..good old reliable calamine lotion does provide me with relief
 
Julia said:
Awful lot of potential 'cures' here, Tech. How will you know that one won't interact negatively with another if you use them all?
And how would you know what worked, if anything?
By the time you could reasonably expect some result from any or all of them, the disease will be on its way out anyway.

Possibly a bit like that old saying about a cold: Treat a cold and it will be gone in a week. Don't treat it and it will be gone in seven days.
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My doc reckons that the more cures for something , the less likely any are to work.

He says for example appendix., you just take it out. People don't spend their hardearned on tee tree oil for appendix.

Its the same I would imagine with shingles.

I'd stick with your doctor Tech, the advice here is starting to sound like something from the three witches in Macbeth

Round about the caldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.””
Toad, that under cold stone,
Days and nights has thirty-one;
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil tee tree first i' the pot!

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I'd stick with your doctor Tech, the advice here is starting to sound like something from the three witches in Macbeth



gg
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Garpal Gumnut said:
Today 08:29 AM My doc reckons that the more cures for something , the less likely any are to work.
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Prospector said:
Yesterday 01:06 PM: but sometimes when you get a list of so many remedies, it makes you think that nothing actually works - otherwise there would just be 'the one'.
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:rolleyes: So you have me on ignore GG? OK, he doesnt. All cool! :D

Julia wasn't minimising Shingles Sinner, just using an example of how many cures were being proposed and that many would make little difference to the outcome.
 
thats funny...so now you have to go through another exercise of finding a suitable person to perform it on you......
 
Stay away from them fillies TechA. Great day for Oakbank though! Enjoy the BBQ's and champagne. I reckon they will get a great crowd. Son is going on Monday, all dressed up and on a Uni Law bus! As the young ones do!
 
Most people get shingles at some time or other. If you get the anti-viral tablets in time you will be spared most of the trauma. It was on a Friday that I first noticed this line of blisters extending from my neck along the shoulder and down the left arm to the elbow. I wasn't sick so I didn't worry.

I had a visit from my daughter-in law on Saturday afternoon. She took one look at me and said "you have got shingles." I rang my doctor. He was on the golf course. I described the symptoms. He rang the local after-hours chemist and within an hour I was taking the medication.

I saw the doctor first thing on Monday morning to confirm the diagnosis and to get the scrip for the chemist. The doctor showed me on a chart where the line of blisters was following the C5 spinal nerve.

I had some discomfort but little pain. The important thing is to get the drugs early, or they will be a waste of time and money.
 
Julia said:
In short, gg, you don't. It's that simple.
Let's not confuse shingles with genital herpes. They are different viruses.

By far the most prevalent is genital herpes which can be Type 1 or Type 2.
Type 1 is that which we often see on the face, typically around the mouth and nose. Type 2 more commonly affects the genital area.

There is a commonly held belief that transmission of genital herpes can only occur when the blisters are fully formed. This is absolutely incorrect.
In between eruptions, the virus (which is dormant in the system always once contracted) continues to shed parts of the cell and the virus can be very ably transmitted between sexual partners though there is no apparent outbreak of the disease.

So if you want to be sure you're not engaging in sex with an infected partner there is no way to know other than laboratory testing.

And, as I think Green pointed out, oral sex with a partner who is infected with Type 1 Herpes can result in this variety of the virus infecting the genital area. Once you have it, you have it for life. Outbreaks can be minimised with medication.

Because of the widespread ignorance of the fact that genital herpes can be transmitted in its latent phase, the disease has spread exponentially.
Anyone who does have this virus should without question inform potential sexual partners so that they can choose whether or not to engage in sex.

Tech/A: apologies if your thread is being hijacked.
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Julia, I know of a person who was infected with genital herpes at the age of 17 from an unsterile catheter after an appendix operation in 1948. The catheter was used to relieve urine from the bladder. In those days chloroform was used to knock you out and often had a side effect; one was not being able to urinate.

At that age, no sexual contact had been made with another person.

Over the years, your body does build up its own immune system to counteract the infection and attacks become less frequent and not as severe untill after 30 to 40 years when it totally disappears.

Taking an easily digested multivitamin supplement daily will provide extra nuyrients to help lesson the chance of new outbreaks.

ie. Vitamin A- B-complex vitamins- Vitiamin C- Vitamin E -Zinc-Calcium/magnesium- Selenium.

It is also recmmended to drink lots of water at the first sign of an outbreak.
Water helps to flush toxins out of the body.
 
Sorry Julia, I got off the beatin track from the subject of SHINGLES.

As quoted by Bill Gottlieb, author of Alternative cures, he states, "when you were a kid, you probably had a bout of chickenpox, a rashy infection caused by the Variclla zoster virus, also called herpes zoster.(It's a variety of the virus that causes oral and genital herpes.)" He goes on to say, unfortunately, the virus did'nt disappear even when you were better. Instead, it hibernated in nerve tracks along the spine. At some point, like an unexpected visit from a distant and very annoying relative whom you haven't seen in 40 years, it may re-emerge.

There are many reasons that the virus can rectivate years- even decades- later and cause SHINGLES. Among them are aging or physical trauma such as injury or surgery, which can weaken the immune system and cause SHINGLES, explains Kenneth A Bock, Md., codirector of the Rhinebeck Health Centre in Rhinebeck, New York, and the Centre for Progressive Medicine in Albany, New York.
 
Hi Tech, as we are all keen to see you heal and become your vigorous health self. What is todays update? How are you feeling?

With the tea tree oil - it was in Franklins detergent and cleaner section.

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sinner said:
Julia, Herpes zoster is not a common cold and such a blasé attitude towards it can result in trouble. Contraindications between medications should always be examined before beginning their use, but herbs like lemonbalm are extremely common, tested over millenia and are not contraindicated.

A quote from wikipedia:



If you try one prescribed medication and one herbal medication and something works, who cares which it was? I would rather be rid of it than risk neuralgia because I waited "a week or seven days" to act.
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Sinner, I do not at all have a blase attitude towards shingles. I've had shingles myself and know how unpleasant it is.

I've spent several years studying physiology and pharmacology and do, um, know the difference between the various herpes viruses and the common cold for heaven's sake!

My point was that at the time of my post Tech has probably received about a dozen therapeutic recommendations, all of which may or may not offer some symptomatic relief. None of them (other than the medically prescribed tablets he is taking from the doctor) will actually cure the Shingles.
At best the other preparations (herbal and other) may provide some relief from the itching and burning.

And - again other than the prescribed medication - none of these suggestions are likely to actually alter the course of the disease, which makes it much like the common cold.

Might be interesting to have a thread on 'natural' cures versus medically prescribed drugs.
 
noco said:
Julia, I know of a person who was infected with genital herpes at the age of 17 from an unsterile catheter after an appendix operation in 1948. The catheter was used to relieve urine from the bladder. In those days chloroform was used to knock you out and often had a side effect; one was not being able to urinate.

At that age, no sexual contact had been made with another person.

Over the years, your body does build up its own immune system to counteract the infection and attacks become less frequent and not as severe untill after 30 to 40 years when it totally disappears.

Taking an easily digested multivitamin supplement daily will provide extra nuyrients to help lesson the chance of new outbreaks.

ie. Vitamin A- B-complex vitamins- Vitiamin C- Vitamin E -Zinc-Calcium/magnesium- Selenium.

It is also recmmended to drink lots of water at the first sign of an outbreak.
Water helps to flush toxins out of the body.
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Noco, interesting and rather sad story. I don't doubt the virus can easily be passed in the manner you describe.


The point I was trying to make - and which appears not to have come across - is that it's not safe to assume that because there is no visual sign of an outbreak of genital herpes it's impossible for a sexual partner to contract the virus. I've known two women who both had the first outbreak months after sexual contact with an infected person and who had imagined they were quite safe because no blisters were visible.
Oral aciclovar will limit the intensity and duration of outbreaks.
 
ok...lets clear up any misunderstandings with the tee tree oil....I was looking for relief from an itching rash.....it itches...you scratch and in no time you can have a sore.which can become infected.....so looking for a solution to stop scratching....and the tee tree oil did that....
I have the tee tree oil antiseptic cream here now...its 50mg/ml...and it does relieve the itch....and soothes the rash...no problems there...it was the straight pure tee tree oil which created my problem
obviously I was not warned about using the oil straight....I always read the warning labels and directions for everything I use....
it was only when the whole thing flared up, that I did further research on the net of course...and figured it out....not everyone is suspectible...but obviously some of us are
it was the Thursday Island brand,,,,they have a whole range of health and beauty items...all using tee tree oil....so not being into aromatherapy etc I just used it...seemingly innocent enough...and a natural non chemical...green product

**green08....obviously you know your detergents or tee tree oil...
I am not a shopper, never browse the aisles...just make the experience as quick as possible...so I really had no idea tee tree oil would be used in any of the list you provided...
here is the link to directions for use of the tee tree oil

http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/...me=Thursday+Plantation+Tea+Tree+Pure+Oil+10mL
 
Up Date.

This is the 7th day.
It seems that I was 48 hrs for getting the tablets for the front infection and the back didn't appear for 24 hrs later.So the Zivorax has been successful in limiting the spread or out break of the virus.

So if you have terribly sensitive skin in areas that feels just like you've removed a cap after day in the sun and brush your hair in the opposite direction---go get it checked.

Had 2 days of feeling miserable not enough to be bed ridden but miserable all the same. Rest is good.

Noticed that the topical cream Zivorax has the same ingredients as the tablets so have been applying that topically. So far no blisters. The front 48 hrs patch is far angrier than the back.

No neuralgia---yet-- had a few rare pangs--don't like it much!
The areas are ultra sensitive but general pain killers make it possible to function OK. Seat belts are painful as are good meaning pats on the back from friends.

Taking Apple cider vinegar orally and question drying up the rash---thinking that perhaps moistness maybe an alternative that allows a better heal and may avoid neuralgia---more a guess than a qualified opinion. I'll soon know.

All in all from descriptions of friends---I cant see what all the fuss is about---but am bracing for the on slaught.
Its not nice but not un bearable---at the moment.

Thanks for the best wishes.
 

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