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Poor Queensland,
just watch your $100 billion debt head skywards,
What does the wm stand for.
Is it beer wine marijuana?
Queensland Election 2009
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What does the wm stand for.
Is it beer wine marijuana?
statement is true though, im not 'intoxicated' if that is what you were implying
Julia
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I agree. Springborg is probably a reasonable bloke but - like Brendan Nelson federally - he just doesn't have any sophistication or real political savvy.
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The LNP did pretty well to get as close as they did. Hopefully this will represent a wake up call to the hugely delighted Anna Bligh.
Although I didn't vote for Labor, I'm nonetheless pleased to see Australia with its first female Premier.
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I took an unbiased view and it was obvious.It wasn`t the party, it was Springborg i.m.o.Don`t worry, if the LNP throw up a party leader they will have a chance.
I dislike politics anyway.It`s a charade.
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So much for the polls saying it was close, no where near close. At this moment 50 seats to ALP and only 29 to to LNP. It's a bit like all them gurus saying the all ords will hit 2,000. Take it as it comes and enjoy life.
. Take it as it comes and enjoy life.State politics are a running joke in Australia, especially Qld and NSW(at least in WA they finally tossed them out). Firstly you have these Govts that have been in power for years and making an absolute meal of it. Blowing all the revenue that they have been collecting in the boom years and with very little to show for it.
Corruption scandals coming out every month, inappropriate behaviour, bullying the list goes on.
But why would they want to change the way they have been doing business when they continue to get re-elected. If the voters continue to reward poor performance you can expect nothing different from the elected officials, because they have been told loud and clear by the voters that's it fine to do a piss poor job and continue to hold their seats.
Than their are the opposition parties that can't get their act together and put any real pressure on the incumbent Govts.
Oh well I guess we can look forward to higher rates and taxes in Qld, so we can continue to subsides those useless politicians.
Why do we need so many of these useless bureaucrats who are a drain on the public purse. They don't seem to serve any real purpose or need.
Corruption scandals coming out every month, inappropriate behaviour, bullying the list goes on.
But why would they want to change the way they have been doing business when they continue to get re-elected. If the voters continue to reward poor performance you can expect nothing different from the elected officials, because they have been told loud and clear by the voters that's it fine to do a piss poor job and continue to hold their seats.
Than their are the opposition parties that can't get their act together and put any real pressure on the incumbent Govts.
Oh well I guess we can look forward to higher rates and taxes in Qld, so we can continue to subsides those useless politicians.
Why do we need so many of these useless bureaucrats who are a drain on the public purse. They don't seem to serve any real purpose or need.
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I was watching "The Insiders" this morning and many of the pundits blamed the LIB/Nats doing so badly because the policies were not provided in any detail. Pretty much what Julie said were her reservations earlier in this thread.
You have to win government. You can't wait for the others to lose it.
You have to win government. You can't wait for the others to lose it.
Sounds about right, the opposition in both NSW and Qld are bloody hopeless at getting a clear msg across so the labor Govt have managed to run riot without being held accountable. The old saying that you need a strong opposition to keep the incumbents accountable is so true. Bloody politics!!
O.K. so Anna’s back and Laurie’s standing down. Laurie worked for years to put the LNP together and my hat goes off to him. But don’t you think he was doing the splits trying to bridge wet and dry libs and wet and dry nats? There must be more factions in LNP than in just about any other political party in Oz. Bit like trying to herd cats as the saying goes. Now Laurie’s standing down, the fun and games begin.
Knife in the back anyone?
Knife in the back anyone?
It came down to advertising - Anna's one liners "more jobs, not cuts" she said over and over and over in your head, until the people of QLD could not think of anything else. So they voted Labor.
So, Anna got in, not on her Leadership ability, it was her smart marketing people. What about the telemarketers - vote labor, vote labor...what a con job.
Lawrence wanted to get rid of the fat cats in the beaurocracy - he lost every public servant vote (if he ever had them). There was doubt in their mind on how he was going to go about saving that money in that sector. Would they lose their job? Even though he said over and over, no job cuts but efficency program. I think this cost him the job.
Big problem now, my kids are going to be paying for Labor debt for a long long time in taxes. Queenslanders will get what they deserve with Labor....wait until she does this Budget, all that money gone, the royalty revenue smashed....poor Anna, you've spent it in the boom, you rats. What are you going to do now when you have to think about what you are doing. She couldn't afford to go to an election after the budget - she would have lost!!!!!!!!
So, Anna got in, not on her Leadership ability, it was her smart marketing people. What about the telemarketers - vote labor, vote labor...what a con job.
Lawrence wanted to get rid of the fat cats in the beaurocracy - he lost every public servant vote (if he ever had them). There was doubt in their mind on how he was going to go about saving that money in that sector. Would they lose their job? Even though he said over and over, no job cuts but efficency program. I think this cost him the job.
Big problem now, my kids are going to be paying for Labor debt for a long long time in taxes. Queenslanders will get what they deserve with Labor....wait until she does this Budget, all that money gone, the royalty revenue smashed....poor Anna, you've spent it in the boom, you rats. What are you going to do now when you have to think about what you are doing. She couldn't afford to go to an election after the budget - she would have lost!!!!!!!!
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Grace, I'm not sure that this is really true, at least across the whole population. I wasn't in the least swayed by anything Anna Bligh or her advertising said. I didn't vote for her. But not because of any advertising or marketing. I did not receive a single telemarketing call (on the Do Not Call register).
No. You can't attribute his loss to the public servants voting against him.
I really wanted to toss Labor out. Really wanted to feel able to vote for the LNP. But there was just no detail about how they were going to fund their promises which overall seemed rather vague anyway.
To say "we will access a 3% dividend across the board" smacks of a wish rather than carefully calculated savings. Had they been able to say "we will take $X from ABC and $XX from XYZ etc, then I could have believed he had actually done the calculations, as opposed to making a wild statement which he hoped would work out in practice.
In short, I found Lawrence Springbord not credible on an economic front.
No argument from me here. And then there will be debt to service from the Feds as well.
All up I'd say no winners as far as the Queensland population is concerned.
Just another bunch of politicians spinning for all they're worth, essentially concerned only for their own gain.
We have a couple of absolutely decent independents in Chris Foley and Peter Wellington, but those aside, it's no damn wonder the voting public are as cynical as they are.
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I was up on the Gold Coast the last week. The election was the last thing on my mind until I saw the TV ads. The one single ad that stuck in my mind was the Labor ad where they repeated what Springborg said the night before. He said something along the lines of "we will be looking for how we fund those issues", that just blew me away. I wouldn't have voted for someone like that, sounded very amateurish to me. Good to see a female elected in her own rights and good to see democracy in action. The people have spoken, now it's time to get on with the job, good luck Queensland, you are a great state.
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Ms Bligh had an easy win. Now comes the tricky bit...to do all those unpopular things, which if she had done prior to the election, would have produced a different result.
Kickstarting the dam would be a good start.
Kickstarting the dam would be a good start.
Julia
Labor provided a one page explanation to their promises, LNP provided 35 pages. See, not even you got it and you are much smarter than the general population! Funnily enough, the more honest you are, the more trouble you get into as a politician. Better just to make wild promises with no backup. After all, Anna can't keep jobs in QLD, everyone knows it, I know it, you know it, but it was her "McDonalds" style marketing campaign that got her over the line.
Why would that be?
Neither did I, but they were active with this.
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Labor provided a one page explanation to their promises, LNP provided 35 pages. See, not even you got it and you are much smarter than the general population! Funnily enough, the more honest you are, the more trouble you get into as a politician. Better just to make wild promises with no backup. After all, Anna can't keep jobs in QLD, everyone knows it, I know it, you know it, but it was her "McDonalds" style marketing campaign that got her over the line.
Why would that be?
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Plenty of advertising from the LNP also.
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I looked at the LNP website and could see no reference to how they proposed to fund their promises.
Grace, I've already explained this. To repeat, I found the suggestion of using a "3% efficiency dividend" vague. There was no detail that I saw which described where this would come from. Didn't see even a single example.
I don't have much faith in the Bligh machine either, though feel happier now that Robertson has been sacked from Health.
I guess that explains some of the voter apathy and why I never understand the electorate. Assuming there are a plethora of like minded voters, within 15 seconds of seeing an ad from from the other side, you had formed an opinion of an entire potential government... and yet 18 years of incompetence of labour governments gets swept under the carpets by the electorate, amazing.
I see no electoral advantage in him giving out any funding information, if he had gotten in he would have had to make widespread cuts to try and recover some modicum of fiscal responsibility. If he said something like that prior to the election the sort of voter that can't think past then end of the next beer would not have voted for him and anyone else would have called him a lair when he got in and promptly made widespread cuts. Unfortunately being ethical won't get you elected, you have to lie, obfuscate and misdirect, that's what enough of the public will vote for to get you in.