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prospector...no its not strange...you should hear the Vic and NSW people praying for rain....and wishing and hoping we would get some of that excess from Qld...
central Vic/NSW just watch helplessly as rain falls every where else...and none in those areas....Vic is coming up close to 15 years of drought...
we started to get some small falls overnight in Melb city leading up to xmas...but none since....and family on the nsw/vic border get none of it...no matter where it falls....cannot recall it being so dry, for so long, in my lifetime
 
kincella said:
prospector...no its not strange...you should hear the Vic and NSW people praying for rain....and wishing and hoping we would get some of that excess from Qld...
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Yeah, well, NSW's irrigators take water from those further down stream so I have no sympathy for them. :mad: The difference in the River Murray before/after the NSW border is staggering!

Melbourne actually looks worse than Adelaide at the moment, and we are bad enough. But we are losing so many trees because unlike Melbourne, our Councils have taken no steps to try to water them.
 
I have not been out and about much lately...but I have never seen them watering the trees around here...and you know we have the mighty yarra river gushing past my door and running out to sea....
its bordering on criminal...there should be dams evry 100 or so metres and the water pumped back into some use...or even taken in tankers up to the farmers.....but not allow it to run into the sea....

I do notice the skirts they have on all the trees to stop the possums climbing up...
growl GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
If you didnt see MediaWatch last night you should read this -

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2492755.htm

They may have the video of the show up later.

Shows how the bastard media have overstepped the line over and over, they were'nt even supposed to be in Marysville at all it was a crime scene but Ch9 was barging into peoples properties to get their "exclusives'

Read it it's an eye opener.
 
Prospector said:
Yeah, well, NSW's irrigators take water from those further down stream so I have no sympathy for them. :mad: The difference in the River Murray before/after the NSW border is staggering!

Melbourne actually looks worse than Adelaide at the moment, and we are bad enough. But we are losing so many trees because unlike Melbourne, our Councils have taken no steps to try to water them.
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Riding (Bike) to work this morning I actually noticed 5-10 yr old well established pines along the McLaren Vale Darlington Track dead from lack of water I counted 30---wouldnt normally have noticed but they were so big AND so dead!.

All our rates have doubled due to property values increasing and they STILL cant manage their back yard!
They talk the talk but hardly ever walk the walk!
Oh and the Council Depot is 1Km from these trees!
 
It is sad Mr Burns, these tragedies always end up being media circuses. For me it cheapens the event and desensitises the public. Beaconsfield is another good example of the phenomena.

It's just parasitic sensationalism.
 
Watching 4 cnrs on ABC last night ( think it is on again late tonight??) they had a house that looked like it was owner builder done by the way the roof was finished of, wondering if owners live in that area have to comply with council regs.?
If so whats the point of trying to raise the building fire proofing standards if no one has control?
 
The Brisconnections affair that Prospector mentioned yesterday refers to to a comment I made on that thread that seemingly rational people who make stupid decisions, should accept responsibility for their actions instead of trying to blame others for putting temptation in their way. I copped a lot of stick, some of it nasty, especially in personal messages. My views were contra to the popular view.

Imagine my surprise this morning, when my usually mild and pleasant hairdresser said that people who build houses on north-facing wooded slopes in fire hazardous zones deserved all they got. But she added that to surround themselves with the unfortunate animals was criminal.
 
kincella said:
daisy...I think its more the loss of life here in Vic that has driven this frenzy about the fires....but since I am more of an animal person...I would think the animals are faring just as badly in Qld....
its like the Dianna thing...and others, the young ones focus on...its unreal

article today saying no one is overseeing all this money, and the duplication of services between towns....
over 100 million in donations for the fire victims..... has there been any money donated to the flood victims....???
the media have a lot to answer for....and the politicians are weak at any time
too many photo opportunities...to be seen to be doing something...but nothing is happening....
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I in no way intended to diminish the terrible loss of human life.
Over the last few days, I had been thinking about the attention and national appeals to bush fire aftermath in relation to the flood victims of Nq.
At first I put it down to the death toll. But although not on nearly the same magnitude, there have been lives lost up here as well. In just one instance, there's a young couple swept away and I don't think their bodies have still been found.
Although, as I said, the overall toll is nowhere near on the same magnitude but if you take the starting point of each life being equally precious...
Then I realised that this was still fuzzy thinking because all of these appeals are about property not loss of life. No amount of money can undo that.
 
Glen48 said:
Watching 4 cnrs on ABC last night ( think it is on again late tonight??) they had a house that looked like it was owner builder done by the way the roof was finished of, wondering if owners live in that area have to comply with council regs.?
If so whats the point of trying to raise the building fire proofing standards if no one has control?
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This is something that I've wondered about as well. There's a link that I think Kincella put a few days ago about a mob who were suggesting new building standards regarding materials, fireproof cellars etc for some areas.. (I'm reluctant to say fireprone anymore) They seemed to make a lot of sense but given how long beauracratic red tape takes to make these suggestions enforceable via council regulations and the eagerness of people to rebuild I am starting to think nothing will change.
 
Just to add to what I've already said it appears to me that all those people in Victoria who were imprudent enough not to have insurance will come out of this O.K. I'm not sure what the outcome will be for those up here in the same situation.
 
Calliope said:
The Brisconnections affair that Prospector mentioned yesterday refers to to a comment I made on that thread that seemingly rational people who make stupid decisions, should accept responsibility for their actions instead of trying to blame others for putting temptation in their way. I copped a lot of stick, some of it nasty, especially in personal messages. My views were contra to the popular view.

Imagine my surprise this morning, when my usually mild and pleasant hairdresser said that people who build houses on north-facing wooded slopes in fire hazardous zones deserved all they got. But she added that to surround themselves with the unfortunate animals was criminal.
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We have suburbs here in Perth(the hills) that the trees are all around the House, it WILL BURN ONE DAY, you can drive in to the hills here and see people with wood stacked next to the house. Will they EVER lean??
 
Daisy...I dont know why they should be ok...forget now whether its the govt giving them cash for each family and funerals, or if thats coming from the donations....
I mean double the risks,,, live in a dangerous area with out insurance ???
doubt if the donation money should all be spent on those without insurance...1800 odd homes lost say 25% not insured = 450 homes at 200,000 building costs is 90 mill....
most of it will be spent on things for the communities...so everyone gets to share in it

btw notice NSw has declared their flood areas a disaster...but not QLD ???
where is anna bligh
 
kincella said:
Daisy...I dont know why they should be ok...forget now whether its the govt giving them cash for each family and funerals, or if thats coming from the donations....
I mean double the risks,,, live in a dangerous area with out insurance ???
doubt if the donation money should all be spent on those without insurance...1800 odd homes lost say 25% not insured = 450 homes at 200,000 building costs is 90 mill....
most of it will be spent on things for the communities...so everyone gets to share in it

btw notice NSw has declared their flood areas a disaster...but not QLD ???
where is anna bligh
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About insurance ...must have been my misinterpretation...sorry. Had my little rant. Calmed down now.
I don't know why QLd has not been declared a disaster area. What does declaring a disaster area mean exactly?
 
daisy..believe they are then eligible for fed govt funds to help them out....but why is the pm silent on that disaster...but was all over the place on the fires
heres a link to a nsw flood..

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25067992-29277,00.html

seems it applies to individual locations....and individuals get a small amount of money

http://news.theage.com.au/national/disaster-relief-for-northwest-qld-flood-20090105-7a0e.html

and todays news about FNQ and not declared a disaster area
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25066080-421,00.html

note the blogs on the side only 1.5 mill in donations so far
 
Thanks Kincella,
In the last week I haven't been paying as much attention to the news because as you say media frenzy has all got a bit too much for me.

I think what has been happening is that because Qld is such a big and varied state environmentally and climatically the state hasn't been declared a disaster area just certain regions. I am almost certain that there is some gov't money e.g. for Ingham.

The way the pollies seem to like to do it up here is make a grand visit to a disaster area and then deliver largesse by personally declaring it to be one.

So usually an area will be in trouble for a while until there is easy access for the pollie to get into it. Usually various volunteer organisations will have already arrived if they can get in and got people comfortable if they can. Gulf country is dreadfully remote and I'm not sure whether this is applicable but a small airline which I think used to service these areas has just recently gone into administration.

I will bet ten to one that as soon as this area is easily accessible one or another figurehead will make a royal visit to this area and make the appropriate announcement and deliver the appropriate largesse.
 
kincella said:
daisy..believe they are then eligible for fed govt funds to help them out....but why is the pm silent on that disaster...but was all over the place on the fires
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O.K. This is what I think. The death toll in Victoria has been devastating.
We are also in the middle of the biggest economic disaster since great depression with many people already lost jobs and many more to come. Everybody's worried. Let's unify the nation in one great big feel good gesture and focus on something other than the gloom and doom of the GFC.
 
a guy from over the road in sth yarra..sent a helicopter up that sat and rescued family in the middle of the fires...I would do the same for my family if they were in danger and could not get out...
so why not the pollies go in..
just saw cattle with water above their bellies in FNQ
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
I don't know anything about livestock but if an area is flooded and cut off from all sides can cattle be airlifted out one by one? What can be done?
 

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