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Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

Considering the latest news, do you believe Schapelle Corby is innocent?

  • No, not any more

    Votes: 49 13.0%
  • No, never have

    Votes: 184 48.7%
  • Yes, always have and still do

    Votes: 80 21.2%
  • I don't care. Show me the stocks!

    Votes: 65 17.2%

  • Total voters
    378
No, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta, Garpal Gumnut, you can't get off the hook that easily. You made a specific statement there:

"Unfortunately some contacts of mine in the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia who monitor web sites such as ours have taken a dim view of his exercise. So it may go against her."

THAT is serious. THAT is a regime hurting someone on the basis of a post by someone totally unconnected. What about Tara Hack in New York? What about Morpheus in England? What about the rest of them across the world? Are your friends going to hurt her for that too, as though she has any sort of control over them or me?

It is VILE. Truly vile, that a regime thinks like that.

Stating it here, presumably on their behalf, is a thinly veiled threat, presumably an attempt to censor debate in Australia and shut me up.

It's very sad that others on here can't see this: they would rather kick this poor desperate woman even more than open their eyes and read what you have actually said. It is past time people opened their eyes.


Tell your friends to listen up. My opinions, and those of growing numbers across the world, are formed on the basis of what THEY have done to Schapelle Corby. Nothing else. They won't silence the world through intimidation, but rather, increase the disgust which many of use feel.


And that disgust by the way embraces your media, and the people who have bought their constant smears/lies and repeat them (you really ought to study media and politics you know). The video I post about this aspect was made in England:


They can see the opinion management and process so easily because they have not been subjected to it. They therefore have a more objective view. They can see the terrible human rights abuses, the Aussie-Indon politics, and the subsequent shameful media campaign. The same applies to the Americans, Canadians and others.


And yes, her lawyers sucked. You are talking about a family totally ill equipped to know who it is best to engage for legal and media advice: to use that to try to justify a considerable list of human rights breaches, and a political/racist sentence is pathetic. Just another desperate attempt to shift the goal posts away from the truth of what many of you saw for yourselves in 2004 (quote from the film I guess).
 
Zack out of interest what exactly is it you want?
Shift her to an Aussie prison to serve out the rest of her time, sentence reduction, or be let off altogether?

Also what is your theory of where the big bag of drugs came from?

Serious question... can you give a straight answer without the Pro Corby dribble attached.
 
I really do not understand.

She is obviously pathetic at the 'apple bobbing' contests in prison, hence the lack of sentence reductions, so why think she is going to give you anything worthwhile in the sack when she is out?
 
No, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta, Garpal Gumnut, you can't get off the hook that easily. You made a specific statement there:

"Unfortunately some contacts of mine in the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia who monitor web sites such as ours have taken a dim view of his exercise. So it may go against her."

THAT is serious. THAT is a regime hurting someone on the basis of a post by someone totally unconnected. What about Tara Hack in New York? What about Morpheus in England? What about the rest of them across the world? Are your friends going to hurt her for that too, as though she has any sort of control over them or me?

It is VILE. Truly vile, that a regime thinks like that.

Stating it here, presumably on their behalf, is a thinly veiled threat, presumably an attempt to censor debate in Australia and shut me up.

It's very sad that others on here can't see this: they would rather kick this poor desperate woman even more than open their eyes and read what you have actually said. It is past time people opened their eyes.


Tell your friends to listen up. My opinions, and those of growing numbers across the world, are formed on the basis of what THEY have done to Schapelle Corby. Nothing else. They won't silence the world through intimidation, but rather, increase the disgust which many of use feel.


And that disgust by the way embraces your media, and the people who have bought their constant smears/lies and repeat them (you really ought to study media and politics you know). The video I post about this aspect was made in England:


They can see the opinion management and process so easily because they have not been subjected to it. They therefore have a more objective view. They can see the terrible human rights abuses, the Aussie-Indon politics, and the subsequent shameful media campaign. The same applies to the Americans, Canadians and others.


And yes, her lawyers sucked. You are talking about a family totally ill equipped to know who it is best to engage for legal and media advice: to use that to try to justify a considerable list of human rights breaches, and a political/racist sentence is pathetic. Just another desperate attempt to shift the goal posts away from the truth of what many of you saw for yourselves in 2004 (quote from the film I guess).

Zack out of interest what exactly is it you want?
Shift her to an Aussie prison to serve out the rest of her time, sentence reduction, or be let off altogether?

Also what is your theory of where the big bag of drugs came from?

Serious question... can you give a straight answer without the Pro Corby dribble attached.

I really do not understand.

She is obviously pathetic at the 'apple bobbing' contests in prison, hence the lack of sentence reductions, so why think she is going to give you anything worthwhile in the sack when she is out?

ZackW

In the spirit of the Season I enclose the contact details for the Dept. Foreign Affairs in Jakarta. I would strongly suggest you abjectly apologise to them as it would do more to help Schapelle than all your drivel on this forum.

My contact there was a Ms.Tingtong., although I believe she was being transferred to London about this time, so get on with it man and do something positive for your lass.

Departemen Luar Negeri Republik Indonesia
Direktorat Informasi dan Media

Jalan Pejambon No. 6
Jakarta Pusat 10110
Indonesia
Telepon : (62-21) 3813453
Faksimili : (62-21) 3857316
Email : infomed@deplu.go.id



gg
 
I really do not understand.

She is obviously pathetic at the 'apple bobbing' contests in prison, hence the lack of sentence reductions, so why think she is going to give you anything worthwhile in the sack when she is out?


Chops, mate, that seriously has to be a contender for post of the year!

Welld one!

:):D
 
Zack out of interest what exactly is it you want?
Shift her to an Aussie prison to serve out the rest of her time, sentence reduction, or be let off altogether? Also what is your theory of where the big bag of drugs came from? Serious question... can you give a straight answer without the Pro Corby dribble attached.

I want her immediate release, obviously, as do all decent people. She never had a trial, her human rights were systematically abused, and she was subject to a political/racist sentence. Nothing to do with 'letting off', everything to do with justice and civilization.

As for where the drugs came from, only a 'show court' could require a defendent to find the real culprit or suffer. There are PLENTY of plausible theories for source, as you well know, but it isn’t the point though. The point is that Schapelle Corby never had a chance or a trial: and if you think that is ok, you ought to be looking at yourself.


My contact there was a Ms.Tingtong.... Departemen Luar Negeri Republik Indonesia
Direktorat Informasi dan Media

So you are saying, on record, that this is the source of the threats which you issued? Eg: "Unfortunately some contacts of mine in the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia who monitor web sites such as ours have taken a dim view of his exercise. So it may go against her."? Is this correct?

The threat to hurt an Australian citizen (Schapelle Corby) on the basis of a post by someone totally unconnected (me) stemmed from Ms.Tingtong? Yes or no? Come on - let's be clear and open about the source of those vile threats.


I would strongly suggest you abjectly apologise to them as it would do more to help Schapelle than all your drivel on this forum.

Which sounds like a veiled threat in itself: apologizing will help Schapelle, inferring that not apologizing will do the opposite. People on here should be opening their eyes!

And I have already told you: “Tell your friends to listen up. My opinions, and those of growing numbers across the world, are formed on the basis of what THEY have done to Schapelle Corby. Nothing else. They won't silence the world through intimidation, but rather, increase the disgust which many of use feel.”. Why don't you send your veiled threats to Tara Hack, Morpheus, or the increasing numbers like them in Europe and North America?

Or better still, tell your mates to release this poor suffering woman instead.
 
This thread appears to have been taken over by some-one with a single minded approach, willing to ignore all evidence and/or constructive comments that don't support their point of view.
Apart from the ceaseless ranting giving the person the opportunity to vent their misplaced anger, the thread doesn't appear to offer any new perspectives as to the alleged innocence of Ms Corby.
If any thing, the thread has degenerated into an abuse of the justice system of another soveriegn country and borders on racism with the implications that an Australian citizen travelling abroad should be imune from prosecution, if apprehended while breaking the laws of that country, because they are an Australian.
The Australian Foreign Affairs Department goes out of its way to warn Australians travelling abroad of the consequences of breaking laws in foriegn countries, yet every year Australians are aprehended and imprisoned overseas. Foolishly, they seem to think they won't get caught or they will get let off.
You run with the pack, you get shot as a wolf. Her prosprects would probably improve considerably if the publicity and sensationalism attached to her imprisonmnet was allowed to die down. Give the experienced diplomats a chance to address this quietly with thier overseas counterparts instead of slinging arround insults that achieve nothing.
 
Zacko, You say we should release this poor suffering woman, no Zacko, SHE BROKE THE LAW. L.A.W . LAW in INDONESIA, Zacko it is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. She has TWENTY YEARS to go.
Zacko, I am still waiting for you answer as to WHO STOPPED THE TEST ON THE DRUGS.
 
I want her immediate release, obviously, as do all decent people. She never had a trial, her human rights were systematically abused, and she was subject to a political/racist sentence. Nothing to do with 'letting off', everything to do with justice and civilization.

Originally Posted by Garpal Gumnut View Post
My contact there was a Ms.Tingtong.... Departemen Luar Negeri Republik Indonesia
Direktorat Informasi dan Media


So you are saying, on record, that this is the source of the threats which you issued? Eg: "Unfortunately some contacts of mine in the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia who monitor web sites such as ours have taken a dim view of his exercise. So it may go against her."? Is this correct?

The threat to hurt an Australian citizen (Schapelle Corby) on the basis of a post by someone totally unconnected (me) stemmed from Ms.Tingtong? Yes or no? Come on - let's be clear and open about the source of those vile threats.


Or better still, tell your mates to release this poor suffering woman instead.

Ok ZackW mate you've got me over a barrel.

It was Ms. Tingtong who was the source of my knowledge that the Indons are monitoring your posts.

gg
 
It was Ms. Tingtong who was the source of my knowledge that the Indons are monitoring your posts.

And does anyone actually think that is somehow acceptable? That the Dept. Foreign Affairs of a foreign regime is monitoring posts on an Australian forum, and indicating that they take a "dim view of his exercise. So it may go against her".

A foreign regime sending censorship type noises via this guy with the threat of suffering for an Australian citizen. Can you not grasp all the wider implications of that? :eek:


You know what SHOULD be happening now? What WOULD be happening if this was in the US or UK? The government should be all over this forum now, to check the validity of Garpal Gumnut. Assuming his contact with the regime is genuine, there should be serious political implications.

Some of the feeble minds above may not grasp it, but it is illustrative of Schapelle Corby's lost human rights. That regime trampled all over acceptable behaviour, and the Australian government groveled and covered for them. They sold her human rights down the river, and consequently every other Australians rights. Now it appears that we have direct and particularly vile intrusion here: are they going to let that go too? A green light to monitor Aussie forums and issue threats via proxy?


People have been so influenced against Schapelle Corby over the years that they have stopped thinking about what actually happened to her (http://www.schapelle.net/report.html). They have stopped thinking about the concrete facts of the human rights aspects. They have stopped thinking about the wider implications of that.

We get to a point where the above happens, and no-one, other than myself, seems to care. Manufactured hatred for a suffering woman is blinding you from reality. People need to reconnect with the concrete facts, and cut through the smear and propaganda. If you do so, you might start to see what all those Europeans and North Americans are starting to see, and actually strive to get that poor woman out of there, and simultaneously restore some national integrity.



the Indonesians know exactly who Wacko Zacko is.:)

Do I sound like I care?

I am a free citizen of the world who is disturbed about human rights abuse. I am now also concerned about the above aspect. I am exercising free speech. The Indonesians are going to have to live with that, whether they like it or not, and whether they monitor it or not.
 
I am a free citizen of the world who is disturbed about human rights abuse.

Zach got that partly right. He is disturbed. He is fascinated by his image of Kirby as of almost vestal purity. He is in love.

This is a common syndrome. All the worlds most evil murderers and rapists have attracted women to their cause. These pathetic people are usually those who find it difficult to attract a partner because they lack the physical attributes. They live in a dream world where they think that if they help to free a criminal from jail then the criminal would be so grateful as to give them undying love.

In the event of Kirby being released, poor old Zack would be doomed to disappointment. And all those ahead of him in the queue with aspirations to get into Corby's pants will get the brush off.

The Corbys go where the money is.
 
Zack said: “And does anyone actually think that is somehow acceptable that the Dept. Foreign Affairs of a foreign regime is monitoring posts on an Australian forum…”

I said: "Zack, it is called intelligence gathering and it has been going on for over a hundred years around the world. It is how governments identify kooky people and threats to national security. Their monitoring might actually save your life one day."

Zack said: “…The government should be all over this forum now, to check the validity of Garpal Gumnut…”

I said: "Our government has outsourced this task offshore to the Indonesians:D:D

Pilots said: "...the Indonesians know exactly who Wacko Zacko is..."

Zack said: Do I sound like I care? I am a free citizen of the world who is disturbed…”

I said: (Okay Calliope, you beat me to this one!!)

And one to trump Calliope.....

Victa has just released a new lawnmower called the "Schapelle" it can hold 4 kg's of grass and has a 20 year guarantee!

Happy New Year everyone
 
i am just a little concerend that she will get released early or paroled 10 years earlier then she should be if she gets transferred back to OZ.

people like that have to be kept locked up. seeing her sister in that magazine made me sick.... i mean that sums it all up doesnt it. but darn it she does look pretty good. excellent legs!

if youre gonna fight a war on drugs or crime, the best way (as proven in new york in their war on general crime) is to severely punish the small fry and leave the big guys alone. i'm talking 20 years for a bag snactch. once you fill up 4 new jails, suddendly the supply of recruits dries up and and cost of business for the big guys become too much. and they are out of business. unless they wanna do it themselves. and then they become the little gusy themselves.

but since we are not NYC and noone has the balls or money to do that we'll just have to amuse ourselves with the few australians that do face a "zero teolerance" legal system.

as for HINDSIGHT2020, if you think cigarettes are in the same league as herion. why dont i take up smoking and you take up heroin for 3 months. ill smoke 10 cigarettes per day and you take 10 hits of heroin per day. ...... no cheating.

we each write a will and leave all our assets to the other perosn. if heroin is too expensive here we can conduct this test in a country where heroin is more pure and cheper for you. ill even pay for your trip to that country.

this offer is open to anyone in thsi forum :)
 
We ought to be thankful to the Indonesian Govt. for locking up one of the Corby gang. If she had been caught in Oz she would have done a few days community service and then resumed her job as a mule.

It is no credit to our justice system and our news media that the rest of the Corby family have free rein to outdo her in villainy and get wealthy on the proceeds of her notoriety.

When Corby is released they will have accumulated sufficient ill-gotten gains to keep her in the manner to which she is accustomed for the rest of her life.
I wouldn't be surprised if our crazy Govt apologises to her and compensates her for not saving her.
 
as for HINDSIGHT2020, if you think cigarettes are in the same league as herion. why dont i take up smoking and you take up heroin for 3 months. ill smoke 10 cigarettes per day and you take 10 hits of heroin per day. ...... no cheating.
tell you what slim - you smoke 3 packets a day ..
and hopefully they'll give you some morphine to ease the pain when/if you get lung cancer (or a miriad of other potential problems).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine
Like other opioids, e.g. diacetylmorphine (heroin), morphine acts directly on the central nervous system (CNS) to relieve pain ...

Personally I don't need any of em - possible exception of a bit of alcohol - but that's about to change this year.
 
Personally I don't need any of em - possible exception of a bit of alcohol - but that's about to change this year.

We all know what your addiction is. It would be nice if you could cut down from 9.9 daily to, say, one or two. And try to keep them brief.
 
We all know what your addiction is. It would be nice if you could cut down from 9.9 daily to, say, one or two. And try to keep them brief.
lol -
I post an expert opinion on addictions - relative between nicotine and heroin.
Slim makes some claims to the contrary and invites me to respond.
I respond.
Then you stick your two cents worth in, lol.

Tell you what Calliope - If I stuck you and slim on ignore for 2009, I reckon I wouldn't miss too many gems of wisdom.

nor wit for that matter, specially when I have to tell you how to spell the words lol.
 
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seeing her sister in that magazine made me sick.... i mean that sums it all up doesnt it
.....

I agree that there is much in the tale surrounding Schapelle and Mercedes Corby that makes one sick; however, that the latter is doing what she can to raise funds for her sister's benefit is not sickening - that posing for a salacious magazine is what she has to do, yes, perhaps that is.

I wonder if we'll ever get to learn the truth of this tale. I strongly suspect that pretty much everything that's been published, asserted, testified and speculated is false. Much of the evidence has alas long since been disposed of, and the backsides of those who manifestly failed in their duty long since covered.

For starters, I am of the opinion that that this episode has nothing to do with drug trafficking, and nothing to do with drug traffickers.

If that hasn't dawned on you as at least being a possibility, well, I guess you haven't paid attention to the details.

Oh, and ZackW: I share your concern, but slagging off at the Indonesian justice system is misconceived. They have their duty to perform, and that they did. They can be accused of being unsympathetic, but sympathy isn't what they're there for. One could suggest they were predictable.

I'm suggesting that they were in fact predicted.

I'll answer private messages for those who may care to take this offline. I'm afraid this thread is past its use-by.

Regards, and happy new year,
P.
 
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