Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[ZackW]

Disgust is probably the best word to describe my feelings about the people who desperately seek to undermine someone suffering so horribly on a public message board.

I raise real issues: and am greeted with repetition of stuff like "ABC has reported that the Indonesian Police did provide".... do you people not understand how to read newspaper copy? Even though the film above tries to educate you? There is a difference between a formal record at a Consulate, and "it is alleged that", "it is believed", "some people think", "xyz report", and so on. The latter are delivery mechanisms for smear. Some people seem don't seem to be bright enough to grasp it, even when it is explained to them.

Ditto human rights. I already stated that this thread is about Schapelle Corby, yet I get the same question back again.

As for the guy behind moXJO: he promised to leave the thread several pages ago (on record!) - we know therefore that his word is as reliable as his posts.

Schapelle Corby was the subject of a show trial and a brutel political sentence. Her human tights were systematically abused. The media have subsequently extracted the government of a great big hook of public opinion.

As a result, yes, Schapelle Corby is suffering horribly and may not survive, and Australians overseas are far more likely to have their human rights abused.

But no doubt you will have a great Christmas, will continue to evade the real issues, and will continue to believe what you are fed by the media.


This is not fiction:


And the global protest which was hidden from you actually happened:


Yet some folks STILL don;t grasp that there is a problem here.

 

[pilots]

:Zack,All your facts have been over turned, you have to admit it, SHE IS GUILTY of taking drugs in to Indonesia.
Now as she was in Indonesia she must take what the Indonesians hand out to her.
You harp on about her twenty years, well if she had NOT tried to take drugs to Bali she would be a free woman to day.
I for one hope she gets the full twenty years.
You talk about the number of people that want her out, well all ten of you will have a very long wait, Zack you have a good XMAS, we will.

 

[moXJO]

Disgust is probably the best word to describe my feelings about the people who desperately seek to undermine someone suffering so horribly on a public message board.



As for the guy behind moXJO: he promised to leave the thread several pages ago (on record!) - we know therefore that his word is as reliable as his posts.

here.

I said I would leave you alone. But your constant references to half truths and lies do not sit well with me. If you think by printing lies and trying to manipulate facts is how you get someone out of jail then good luck with that.
Your arguments are base on nothing except stretched truths. Quick call everyone corrupt and heartless and point to your propaganda video to back up your non existent facts to prove your right.

QC’s (Philip Dun QC), who stated that Schapelle Corby would be found guilty in an Australian court with the exact same evidence which was presented in Indonesia. The QC’s also made a note of the other Australians in foreign countries facing the death penalty? Why is their plight not as grave as Schapelle Corbys? The piece highlighted that the case is beyond Innocence and Guilt, and that Schapelle Corby and her family has virtually been brought by the media, whom have invested vast amounts of money in this story. Therefore what we see on television is highly sanitized, vetted and stage managed thus the truth is ultimately manipulated. Many people have gone on rampant attacks on the Indonesian legal system, based purely on this manipulation of the truth, there is nothing in there process’s which purport illegitimate handling of this case. No one has paid any real attention to the evidence presented in the courts, by the prosecution or the defense; it has been more so an unsubstantiated ‘biased’ view of irrelevant evidence in order to validate our justified stance. It was forgotten that maybe she is just another young drug trafficker facing her punishment under the law, and that she is in fact luckier than most. From death, to life to 20 years. Obviously the judges are not that ‘evil’, further heresay evidence (given by the prisoner, and facts relating to the airport baggage handlers) which would otherwise be inadmissible in an Australian court was allowed by the Indonesian Courts in order to give this girl the best chance possible of proving her innocence. The media circus around here probably also aided her in receiving this lighter sentenced, which has obviously pissed of the prosecution and other Indonesian people, how can their law be manipulated as such.

Post another dubious video to back up baseless statements then tell me how everyone else is lying Considering that I doubt you have any other serious claims to make, apart from maybe a personal attack or two on anyone who doubts your propaganda push. I reckon I can let you spam on in peace. Maybe if you do it enough you can push my posts to the no read zone, and your facts will become valid again.

 

[pilots]

moXJO. Zacks big problem is that all his facts are wrong. Zack are you one of the Corbys????????????

 

[ZackW]

I'm a Corby now am I? Pathetic. As pathetic as stating that a show trial which repeatedly breached the UN International Convention on Civil and Political Rights had any validity at all in proving guilt.

It is impossible to argue with desperation like that. However often I list the real issues, some people are so desperate for her to suffer that they don't even seem to read them. They are like vultures swarming around someone dying.

It is possibly the most vile spectacle I have ever witnessed, but is repeated all over the place by hate filled Australians blinded and fuelled by foul media misrepresentation.

These facts won't go away:

1. Her human rights were systematically abused via the show trial

2. The government swept this under the carpet to sustain its strategic relationship with Indonesia, and at the very least, encouraged the media onslaught.

3. Schapelle Corby received a POLITICAL sentence not a judicial sentence: which the government has never sought to address. Had she murdered someone, and not been Australian, she may well have been looking at a far lesser sentence.

4. The Australian government, through not pursuing the case, has given a green light to dodgy regimes in terms of breaching the human rights of other Australians.

They remain moot, regardless of the sickening and vile comments on here.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Zack mate , you have an agenda, and it coincides with Mercedes taking her tackle off in Ralph and a new book on Schapelle.

I admire private enterprise.

good on you.

However do not lecture me on International Law, a good but poor people like the Indonesians trying to make a quid, and a fair sentence for a drug runner who knew the consequences of her actions.

gg

As said in The Castle.

"Your dreamin mate."

gg

So Zack

What other Human Rights Issues are you willing to share with us.

gg

Good on you Zack.

What other Human Rights issues interest you.

gg

 

[knocker]

Corby and all here Australian drug runners are a disgrace to our country. Frankly I am glad they fry overseas because the pathetic do gooders of this country allow this cr@p to continue with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Divert your human rights to people who really need it. The nameless ones no one cares about.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Corby and all here Australian drug runners are a disgrace to our country. Frankly I am glad they fry overseas because the pathetic do gooders of this country allow this cr@p to continue with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
Divert your human rights to people who really need it. The nameless ones no one cares about.

Agree knocker.

Zack mate what other human rights issues distress you?

gg

 

[moXJO]

moXJO. Zacks big problem is that all his facts are wrong. Zack are you one of the Corbys????????????

Zack is using a method where he does not have to back up any of his facts, or by backing them up with half the story so it kind of sounds true.
Statements like this....

It is impossible to argue with desperation like that. However often I list the real issues, some people are so desperate for her to suffer that they don't even seem to read them. They are like vultures swarming around someone dying.

It is possibly the most vile spectacle I have ever witnessed, but is repeated all over the place by hate filled Australians blinded and fuelled by foul media misrepresentation.

Are used to turn you into the bad guy for disagreeing. And to try and either get you to make a personal attack and fuel his victim status and make you look like the Ahole. Or guilt you into not posting anymore so he can continue his spam without anyone questioning the validity of his facts.
I don't really like the way he goes about it(and I reckon it was the wrong way to go). But it’s his choice and it’s a free'ish country. The underlying message of Human rights gets drowned out in all the, she's innocent, and non supporters are vile scum BS imo.

GG is right in saying he has an agenda. I hope it is human rights. But like I said I'm done with questioning his 'facts'. At least people can look at the info and make a decision either way. Or just not care at all and go back to trading.


I'm not a fan of drug dealers either.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Agree , Zack is on a mission, he must be disappointed by the response.

She took drugs into Bali like lots of folk do.

She got caught.

She's in a ****hole for 20 years.

Tough.

She's better off than 95% of the worlds population.

gg

 

[pilots]

I'm a Corby now am I? Pathetic. As pathetic as stating that a show trial which repeatedly breached the UN International Convention on Civil and Political Rights had any validity at all in proving guilt.

It is impossible to argue with desperation like that. However often I list the real issues, some people are so desperate for her to suffer that they don't even seem to read them. They are like vultures swarming around someone dying.

It is possibly the most vile spectacle I have ever witnessed, but is repeated all over the place by hate filled Australians blinded and fuelled by foul media misrepresentation.

These facts won't go away:



They remain moot, regardless of the sickening and vile comments on here.

Zack my sick and vile comments ARE FACTS, you are only posting half truths, and WON'T answer any of the questions you are given.
What do you think the guards will give her for Xmas????

 

[pilots]

Zack. One question, WHO STOPPED THE TEST ON THE DRUGS, come on you talk about the facts, let's get this fact out of the way first.

 

[pilots]

Zack,I will be away with my family for the next 3/4 days, see if you can answer my question b4 I get back.
You have a good safe Xmas.

 

[ZackW]

Facts:

Facts:

1. Her human rights were systematically abused via the show trial

2. The government swept this under the carpet to sustain its strategic relationship with Indonesia, and at the very least, encouraged the media onslaught.

3. Schapelle Corby received a POLITICAL sentence not a judicial sentence: which the government has never sought to address. Had she murdered someone, and not been Australian, she may well have been looking at a far lesser sentence.

4. The Australian government, through not pursuing the case, has given a green light to dodgy regimes in terms of breaching the human rights of other Australians.

A disgrace to Australia? This poor woman will be suffering here FIFTH Christmas is a squalid cell, whilst callous compassionless Australians swallow what they are fed by the media, and pro-actively post messages to try to ensure whe suffers another fifteen.

It is sickening to read.

 

[CoffeeKing]

Sisters doing okay, Huh

http://ralph.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=696949

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Facts:


Facts:


A disgrace to Australia? This poor woman will be suffering here FIFTH Christmas is a squalid cell, whilst callous compassionless Australians swallow what they are fed by the media, and pro-actively post messages to try to ensure whe suffers another fifteen.

It is sickening to read.

I ask you again Zack, what other human rights violations concern you.

A convicted felon's years in prison accompanied by her sister's taking off her tackle in a men's magazine does not for a compassionate response make.

Who are you Zack?

Do you live on the Gold Coast??

What connections do you have to the Fish and Chip industry?


gg

 

[moXJO]

Facts:


Facts:


A disgrace to Australia? This poor woman will be suffering here FIFTH Christmas is a squalid cell, whilst callous compassionless Australians swallow what they are fed by the media, and pro-actively post messages to try to ensure whe suffers another fifteen.

It is sickening to read.

A better balance then your previous efforts....

 

[ZackW]

This thread is about Schapelle Corby and human rights violations pertaining to her, not other HR violations. I have answered that question three times now, but not the answer he wants I guess. Her sister? That is meant to make human rights abuse and poor Schapelle's conditions alright then is it? Using her family to hurt he again, eh? Nice.

Then of course because the facts are facts, we have a pathetic attempt to discredit the messenger (me), as related to her or similar. What sickness motivates these people to want post public messages designed to encourage people to walk away and leave her to suffer for 20 YEARS?

Schapelle's 5th Christmas

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

This thread is about Schapelle Corby and human rights violations pertaining to her, not other HR violations. I have answered that question three times now, but not the answer he wants I guess. Her sister? That is meant to make human rights abuse and poor Schapelle's conditions alright then is it? Using her family to hurt he again, eh? Nice.

Then of course because the facts are facts, we have a pathetic attempt to discredit the messenger (me), as related to her or similar. What sickness motivates these people to want post public messages designed to encourage people to walk away and leave her to suffer for 20 YEARS?

Nobody is bagging you mate. Harden up.

You are driven by a need to rescue this felon from her imprisonment.

Just don't elevate it to the Mother Theresa level.

By the way, my contacts in Jakarta have indicated that she will not be getting a Christmas reduction on her sentence.

Thats not good for her.

Just don't say that you are interested in wider Human Rights when you are unable to back it up with facts.

Have a fish and chip and relax.

gg

 

[knocker]

This thread is about Schapelle Corby and human rights violations pertaining to her, not other HR violations. I have answered that question three times now, but not the answer he wants I guess. Her sister? That is meant to make human rights abuse and poor Schapelle's conditions alright then is it? Using her family to hurt he again, eh? Nice.

Then of course because the facts are facts, we have a pathetic attempt to discredit the messenger (me), as related to her or similar. What sickness motivates these people to want post public messages designed to encourage people to walk away and leave her to suffer for 20 YEARS?

Schapelle's 5th Christmas

My heart bleeds for you schappelle and all the other drug running scum of the world. Happy christmas lol