Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[moXJO]

I respect your position, I left school at 13 and struggled till I later educated myself to Univiersity level.

The issue I raise is that it was not established that she had knowledge of the bag contents. The legal process (on which I have a lot of knowledge) was not followed. Ane the court was lesss than a kangaroo show. I'll bet if a few million came up behind the scenes we would have a had a different outcome.

The fact that the bag was an extra 4.5 kilo would alert you to something being fishy.

 

[moXJO]

yet you fail to mention any other australians!! you support human rights on for those that you chose to but very much forget the other aussies facing the death panalty. why??

in 2005 these australians were facing the death penalty abroad, and we have some of the bali nine in death row. so add a few more. i think Toung van Nguyen was the first one to go, did not receive much publicity..

• Tuong Van Nguyen (convicted of importing 396g of heroin in Singapore). The
PM made representations on Mr Nguyen’s behalf in February 2005.72
• Tran Van Thanh (convicted of trafficking 682g of heroin in Vietnam). Mr
Thanh lost his severity appeal in March 2005 and now relies on the Vietnamese
President for clemency.73
• Tran Thi Hong Loan (charged with trying to smuggle 440g of heroin in
Vietnam).
• Mai Cong Thanh and Nguyen Manh Cong (charged with trafficking 1.7kg of
heroin in Vietnam).74
• Schapelle Corby (charged with trafficking 4kg cannabis in Bali).


imho your surname and your family ethnicity puts you in a lot more favorable place with the media and government. we have saturation of corby and the bali nine on tv, womans day/weekly and any other publication.. we all want stories of corby having a manicure, but dont care to about Thanh, Loan, Thanh and Cong.. nor do we care if their sisters have huge breasts and can be covergirl on Ralph. we dont want to see certain t1ts, only the right breasts from certain families are good enough is suppose.. why is that again???

we dont protest any other citizen from any other country getting the death panalty, nor do we protest against the human rights violations of citizen in those countries also facing the death penalty..

you can well imagine that in asia, the people are not as stupid as you think, and see right through this type of selective media and public support of those without asian backgrounds only being the ones capable of having human rights violations against them and conveniently forgetting the others!!

very transparent and thats all the more reason why the asians see the australians as being very racially selective on a lot of issues. which offends them by the way.

any government or diplomatic protests just heightens and reinforces this view..

lets forget about the others straight away!!

Great post all of it very true. The moment a pretty girl gets caught human rights suddenly becomes an issue.

 

[explod]

The fact that the bag was an extra 4.5 kilo would alert you to something being fishy.

You are not supposed to go to gaol for something being fishy. It needs to be proven fact or otherwise the doubt goes to being innocent.

They brought those rules in under the Westminster system as too many innocents were having their heads chopped off in the Tower.

 

[moXJO]

You are not supposed to go to gaol for something being fishy. It needs to be proven fact or otherwise the doubt goes to being innocent.

They brought those rules in under the Westminster system as too many innocents were having their heads chopped off in the Tower.

It was her bag, in her custody that she admitted to owning (oh no where did that big bag of drugs come from). If I was walking along with that in my bag in Australia then denied it was mine. I would still get charged, then be slapped as guilty not long after. The fact we let our crims out after a stupidly short period is a fault in its own.

20 years was a tad excessive, but you are in another county and I don't think she will serve the full sentence.

 

[ZackW]

Some of the comments are unbelievable. The media have clearly done a great job at twisting some people. People just spew out the smears and lies they have been fed over the years. Examples?

- Using a throwaway comment from her mother from years ago suggesting she didn't want a transfer (checked the facts recently?). She is DESPERATE for one: she is in a terrible condition.

- Suggesting that she didn't want the drugs tested: when there is a formal request on record at the Consulate

- The continued assumption of guilt, stated at every opportunity, when the trial was actually a show trial.

- goes on and on.



Other Aussie's? THIS thread is about Schapelle Corby: that is why I am posting about her.


A "tad excessive"? Are you kidding? 20 YEARS was a political sentence: NOTHING to do with justice, even if she had had a fair trial and had done it. It was a brutal sentence driven by non-judicial issues. It was another gross abuse of human rights [And she will serve it (assuming she survives), unless the government is pressed to do something: which your posts and similar actually discourage!].

Oops: I used those words again, "human rights". How boring, the way I keep bringing up the REAL issues.

1. Her human rights were systematically abused via the show trial (http://www.schapelle.net/report.html)

2. The government swept this under the carpet to sustain its strategic relationship with Indonesia, and at the very least, encouraged the media onslaught.

3. Schapelle Corby received a POLITICAL sentence not a judicial sentence: which the government has never sought to address. Had she murdered someone, and not been Australian, she may well have been looking at a far lesser sentence.

4. The Australian government, through not pursuing the case, has given a green light to dodgy regimes in terms of breaching the human rights of other Australians.

These are ISSUES, but in response, we seen posts regurgitating smear and innuendo. Why is that? Because of this:



And I guess because some people simply don't care about suffering, injustice, brutality and the loss of human rights (unless it happened to them!).

 

[explod]

Good post Zack. Sometimes I feel ashamed to be part of humans who ignore fact and live off the crap the media serves up and rumour.

 

[pilots]

Zack, yes they did ask for a test on the drugs, BUT WHO STOPPED THE TEST?????

 

[ZackW]

Good post Zack. Sometimes I feel ashamed to be part of humans who ignore fact and live off the crap the media serves up and rumour.

It is VERY disturbing. The most disturbing aspect of all is that they post the lies/smear/innuendo again and again: even though they know that it seriously damages her chances of any form or early release, or even of surviving. Every post like that reduces the chances of the government being pressed to do something to help her.

You see it all over. Increasing numbers of Americans and Brits posting on her human rights, being confronted by twisted Australians at every turn, arguing against her, and de facto arguing to continue her terrible suffering to the end. I have never seen anything like it in all my years. Depressing.

She is about to face her FIFTH Christmas in that cell. She is under medication. She is steadily deteriorating. I for one will be sparing a thought for her on Christmas Day, and hoping in the new year that people focus on the actual issues, which I have posted at least 3 times above.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It is VERY disturbing. The most disturbing aspect of all is that they post the lies/smear/innuendo again and again: even though they know that it seriously damages her chances of any form or early release, or even of surviving. Every post like that reduces the chances of the government being pressed to do something to help her.

You see it all over. Increasing numbers of Americans and Brits posting on her human rights, being confronted by twisted Australians at every turn, arguing against her, and de facto arguing to continue her terrible suffering to the end. I have never seen anything like it in all my years. Depressing.

She is about to face her FIFTH Christmas in that cell. She is under medication. She is steadily deteriorating. I for one will be sparing a thought for her on Christmas Day, and hoping in the new year that people focus on the actual issues, which I have posted at least 3 times above.

As said in The Castle.

"Your dreamin mate."

gg

 

[pilots]

Come on Zack what is your answer to WHO had the tests on the drugs stopped.
As to why any one would take drugs to Bali, I have answered that.
It looks to me you are running out of facts.
Zack if you go to Bali you must answer and respect the law of the land.
I think the thing that shot her in the foot most of all was when the customs said is this your bag she said, I AM IN TROUBLE AREN'T I, now why would she say that?

 

[moXJO]

It is VERY disturbing. The most disturbing aspect of all is that they post the lies/smear/innuendo again and again: even though they know that it seriously damages her chances of any form or early release, or even of surviving. Every post like that reduces the chances of the government being pressed to do something to help her.

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The fact that most of what I posted was straight out of the Corby's mouths shows you are willing to bend the truth a lot in your posts to suit . And smear anyone that does not support your position a liar. Not only that but you post a vid that basically states that anyone that disagrees with Corby’s innocence is a compassionless Ahole. And try and guilt them into listening to outright lies.

Lies
Smear
Innuendo
Again and again

Zack take a good look at your posts when you accuse other people. While I commend you for your interest in her human rights. Your other methods of proclaiming her innocence are dubious at best.

But judging from the number of your posts you are some kind of Corby support troll. Maybe if you can keep spamming posts, the truth will get buried enough for people to forget.

 

[ZackW]

No matter how many times I post the issues, the blind will never see them. Their twisted hatred for someone suffering horribly consumes them: they seem to want the suffering to continue.

I point to material information, on record (eg: the test request at the Consulate): and back comes an unsubstantiated groundless smear.

I point out the implications of allowing this breach of human rights to stand, and am abused as a "Corby support troll".

It goes on and on. Driven by what motive? Why do people post repeatedly, trying to convince the world de facto that this poor woman should continue to suffer for 20 YEARS? Why would anyone zealously do that?

I am happy to campaign for human rights because I believe they are important. I am sickened by what has happened her, and the grotesque 20 years in a cage Schapelle Corby is going through. But what is going on in the minds of those who post repeatedly to try to deflect from this reality?

Some of those REAL issues again (boring boring Zack):

1. Her human rights were systematically abused via the show trial (http://www.schapelle.net/report.html)

2. The government swept this under the carpet to sustain its strategic relationship with Indonesia, and at the very least, encouraged the media onslaught.

3. Schapelle Corby received a POLITICAL sentence not a judicial sentence: which the government has never sought to address. Had she murdered someone, and not been Australian, she may well have been looking at a far lesser sentence.

4. The Australian government, through not pursuing the case, has given a green light to dodgy regimes in terms of breaching the human rights of other Australians.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

No matter how many times I post the issues, the blind will never see them. Their twisted hatred for someone suffering horribly consumes them: they seem to want the suffering to continue.

I point to material information, on record (eg: the test request at the Consulate): and back comes an unsubstantiated groundless smear.

I point out the implications of allowing this breach of human rights to stand, and am abused as a "Corby support troll".

It goes on and on. Driven by what motive? Why do people post repeatedly, trying to convince the world de facto that this poor woman should continue to suffer for 20 YEARS? Why would anyone zealously do that?

I am happy to campaign for human rights because I believe they are important. I am sickened by what has happened her, and the grotesque 20 years in a cage Schapelle Corby is going through. But what is going on in the minds of those who post repeatedly to try to deflect from this reality?

Some of those REAL issues again (boring boring Zack):

So Zack

What other Human Rights Issues are you willing to share with us.

gg

 

[knocker]

No matter how many times I post the issues, the blind will never see them. Their twisted hatred for someone suffering horribly consumes them: they seem to want the suffering to continue.

I agree zack. Just put the bimbo out of her misery and do us all a favour.:

 

[knocker]

It is VERY disturbing. The most disturbing aspect of all is that they post the lies/smear/innuendo again and again: even though they know that it seriously damages her chances of any form or early release, or even of surviving. Every post like that reduces the chances of the government being pressed to do something to help her.

You see it all over. Increasing numbers of Americans and Brits posting on her human rights, being confronted by twisted Australians at every turn, arguing against her, and de facto arguing to continue her terrible suffering to the end. I have never seen anything like it in all my years. Depressing.

She is about to face her FIFTH Christmas in that cell. She is under medication. She is steadily deteriorating. I for one will be sparing a thought for her on Christmas Day, and hoping in the new year that people focus on the actual issues, which I have posted at least 3 times above.

Well zac, the reason she is on medication is maybe due to past drug abuse. She must be hangin out big time for a joint :

 

[ZackW]

The comments above exemplify the disturbing and callous mentality I referred to. Wonderful human beings.

Here's a new video I found on the censorship of the recent global protest. It is part of the process descibed in the above video, which has brainwashed so many people.

 

[pilots]

Zack, will you PLEASE tell WHO had the test on the drugs stopped, Thanks.

 

[knocker]

Zack, will you PLEASE tell WHO had the test on the drugs stopped, Thanks.

lol I think zack has been on nthe whacky tobacky

 

[moXJO]

On December 3rd 2004 Corby signed papers for her consent for testing to be done by the AFP but Indonesian Police would not release a sample. Since then, the Australian ABC has reported that the Indonesian Police did provide the samples and that Corby’s team declined to have them tested.

So is what you posted a half truth

That was the material evidence and the rest you left out.

2. The government swept this under the carpet to sustain its strategic relationship with Indonesia,

3. Schapelle Corby received a POLITICAL sentence not a judicial sentence: which the government has never sought to address. Had she murdered someone, and not been Australian, she may well have been looking at a far lesser sentence.

4. The Australian government, through not pursuing the case, has given a green light in terms of breaching the human rights of other Australians.

And those are probably closer to the issues(possibly her health as well). Although the ultimate price for drug trafficking is death and it is well known. I do think point 3 still stands.
That list isn't sexy, doesn't hold the sensationalism factor or the guilt trips of your vids (I'm sure more could be added to the list). But I believe more people would get behind a campaign if it were based on something more along these lines. Take the guilty or not guilty argument out altogether. And focus on something like Australians rights, their protection when overseas and Govt inaction. Not arguing her innocence, which is soon shown to have some massive holes in her defense. Especially on a forum where people are use to digging for information might help to. Aiming the right material at the right target audience will yield better results.

IMO the moment people see something that they know is an attempt at a guilt trip through half truths or misinformation. Then you will be shot down and the topic derailed into an innocent, guilty slinging match. While it keeps the issue of Corby highlighted it does little else in terms of support.

Bagging Indonesia will not help your cause much over there either.

You seem very commited I'm sure you will work something out.

Ps. Just watched a part of it but what the hell was that Murdoch vid lol. And you accuse Aussie media of brainwashing and propaganda

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

So Zack

What other Human Rights Issues are you willing to share with us.

gg

come on Zack,

Any other human rights abuses about the world you care about apart from the tokin ones.?????????

gg