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Garpal Gumnut said:
He was found with enough "prescription" drugs to put 10 people to sleep for a few days and they are all at it in Hollywood. So he was at it.
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m8 - I took "nodoze" to get through some of MY exams -
he's entitled to twice that for the sort of challenges he took on (imo) :2twocents
 
2020hindsight said:
m8 - I took "nodoze" to get through some of MY exams -
he's entitled to twice that for the sort of challenges he took on (imo) :2twocents
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Oh please! What an asinine statement.

I could walk into any pub in Cheltenham and find 10 people with more challenges in their lives than Heath, without even trying. If I asked a few probing questions I could find some real sob stories.

Sure, some resort to an excess chemicals to escape, but most don't, bar the odd pint at the pub or a cerapax at night... and only because of the images burnt into their memory.

Give me a break!!!
 
wayneL said:
Oh please! What an asinine statement.

I could walk into any pub in Cheltenham and find 10 people with more challenges in their lives than Heath, without even trying. If I asked a few probing questions I could find some real sob stories.

Sure, some resort to an excess chemicals to escape, but most don't, bar the odd pint at the pub or a cerapax at night... and only because of the images burnt into their memory.

Give me a break!!!
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it was a quicjk comment made whilst watching the rugby wayne

but give you a break ?
sure for as long as you like lol
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The poor bugger should get an Oscar. All the fame made him a drug addict who doctor shopped for some release. At least his talent would be recognised.

gg
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It also made him wealthy enough and popular to open doors to the world's best help yet he refused it. He could hired personal minders to force himself to stay away from drugs. He could have walked away from his "fame" and the pressures by working live stage instead of film if he needed to continue his thespian desires. Enough said on that by this individual.

Haven't viewed batman and may not as I found the actor who played batman in the last movie as wooden as I have found Ledger to be in the movies I have seen of his. The only actor more fiberous than Ledger imo is cguire from the spiderman movies. You would swear that guy is reading his lines from an autocue. From first seeing Black Rock was apparent there would be a following for Ledger. Maybe Two Hands was his shining light.

Is he in the same class or better than previous award winners? He will surely get the sympthay vote, though..
 
wayneL said:
Oh please! What an asinine statement.

I could walk into any pub in Cheltenham and find 10 people with more challenges in their lives than Heath, without even trying. If I asked a few probing questions I could find some real sob stories.

Sure, some resort to an excess chemicals to escape, but most don't, bar the odd pint at the pub or a cerapax at night... and only because of the images burnt into their memory.

Give me a break!!!
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2020hindsight said:
m8 - I took "nodoze" to get through some of MY exams -
he's entitled to twice that for the sort of challenges he took on (imo) :2twocents
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The doses that were prescribed, his prescription history and the blood assays would indicate that he had taken sufficient drugs to classify him as a doctor shopper of prescription medication. The types of medication cannot be compared to nodoze, which is innocuous and not a prescription medication. They were what I believe are called opiates and benzos.

I think he does deserve an Oscar although I don't believe the Oscar is worth winning. But in his social milieu it is the equivalent of a valedictory. It would be a fitting farewell.

My feelings are that he was like many who have fame thrust on them, unprepared and ill equipped to deal with it.

And few who become addicted to drugs can shake the habit, so I do feel sorry for him and his family.



gg
 
Can't find an e-article yet, but read today (Sun Herald) that Peter Lloyd - ABC's Singapore correspondent - claims he only started ice etc after he couldn't sleep nights (afraid to sleep etc) - after seeing so much death etc , Bali 2002, the tsunami, etc.

Insomnia that refuses to go away can start a bad downhill spiral (though obviously ice ain't gonna help, sheesh :rolleyes: ). Don't believe that Heath has been accused of that has he?

kinda related :-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/25/2314364.htm
 
Like I say, Peter Lloyd was (allegedly) caught with Meth / ice. (but there is no suggestion that Heath Ledger had any illegal drugs whatsoever). Both had sleep problems.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/i-was-too-afraid-to-sleep-peter-lloyd/2008/07/26/1216492803325.html

Lloyd thanked media and ABC colleagues such as Tim Palmer.
Mr Palmer said in Singapore: "Peter's been through some of the toughest experiences anyone could face: that's not just over weeks or months, but over years. He's seen more death, injury, violence and grief than many soldiers or paramedics would see in a career.

"I'm not saying that any of that has led to anything that might or might not have happened but, in understanding Peter's recent past, it's obviously a huge factor."
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http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23102537-5001021,00.html
MEDICAL experts have revealed the cocktail of hypnotic-type drugs prescribed to Heath Ledger for anxiety and insomnia had the potential to make a sleeping person dangerously unresponsive.

This theory is now gaining growing credence in New York after police revealed they found no illegal drugs in the Manhattan apartment where Heath Ledger died yesterday, and that they are discounting suicide or foul play.

New York police have revealed six different types of prescription drugs were found in the 28-year-old Australian actor's Manhattan apartment following his death from a suspected drug overdose.

These included the anti-anxiety medications Xanax, Valium, and Ativan, the sleeping medication Lunesta and the sedative Restoril, used by people with "debilitating insomnia", according to the celebrity gossip website TMZ.com.

Other reports have suggested Ledger - the Oscar-nominated star of Brokeback Mountain which catapulted him to international fame - may also have been taking the sleeping pill Ambien, marketed in Australia as Stilnox and known to having rare but troubling side-effects.

It is unknown what quantity or types of medication the actor had ingested but, according to police sources, it is suggested he may have died from an accidental overdose.

Ric Day, a professor of pharmacology at the University of New South Wales, said all the drugs found act on the brain in a similar way, by depressing the central nervous system.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2004168938_heath07.html
Heath Ledger died from accidental drug overdose, medical examiner says
By Seattle Times news services

.... "Mr. Heath Ledger died as the result of acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine," said the medical examiner's spokeswoman, Ellen Borakove.

"We have concluded that the manner of death is accident, resulting from the abuse of prescription medications."

In addition to the painkiller oxycodone, the list of generic names refer to drugs more commonly known as the painkiller Vicodin, anti-anxiety medications Valium and Xanax, and the sleeping pill Restoril, while Unisom is an antihistamine commonly used as a sleeping aid.

There was no mention of alcohol or illegal drugs.
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Back to his chances of getting an Oscar .. here are three votes at least (including Michael Caine - PS go see "Flawless" if you get a chance ;))

http://www.rte.ie/arts/2008/0723/ledgerh.html
Co-stars pledge Oscar votes to Ledger
Three of Heath Ledger's co-stars in the new Batman film 'The Dark Knight' have revealed that they will vote for him to win a posthumous Oscar.
Ledger, who died of an accidental prescription drugs overdose in January of this year, plays The Joker in the film and is expected to receive significant support in the race for the Best Supporting Actor category at the Academy Awards.

Speaking at the film's premiere on Monday night, Aaron Eckhart, who plays Harvey Dent in the film, told the BBC: "I'm a member of the Academy so I can vote for him."

Michael Caine, who plays Alfred, added: "So can I."

Maggie Gyllenhaal, who plays love interest Rachel Dawes, then said: "I'm a member too - the Oscar can only go to Heath”
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Further Discussion of his chances of a posthumous Oscar…

http://www.rte.ie/arts/2008/0716/heathledger.html
 
Well, I went to the movie today, and I don't think it's Oscar material. Great performance and the best baddy in the Batman series to date, but not a statue winner, imo. Good movie, but at least 30 minutes too long.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
The poor bugger should get an Oscar. All the fame made him a drug addict who doctor shopped for some release. At least his talent would be recognised.

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Dunno if it was the fame... there a many addicts out there.

Great Aussie actor, fav movie of his was Two Hands. IMO he could of gone so much further, I wonder why the dream turned into a nightmare?
 
Pat said:
I wonder why the dream turned into a nightmare?
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He was secretly dating one of those neurotic Olsen twins. Anorexics are only good (as girlfriends) until you get sucked into their psychologically twisted world. I wasn't suprised he was taking all those 'downers' when I heard about Mary-Kate. :screwy::screwy:
 
subaru69 said:
He was secretly dating one of those neurotic Olsen twins. Anorexics are only good (as girlfriends) until you get sucked into their psychologically twisted world. I wasn't suprised he was taking all those 'downers' when I heard about Mary-Kate. :screwy::screwy:
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LOL!!!

Was that advice learnt from experiance?
 
Pat said:
LOL!!!

Was that advice learnt from experiance?
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I work in Mental Health. This is a MASSIVE over-generalisation, but NEVER go out with a girl with an eating disorder (under/over eating, purging, over-exercising, laxatives/diuretics etc). There are ALWAYS bigger issues, the eating disorder just masks it.

Let's face it, there are ~3billion women on Earth. You don't need to pick one that you already know has a problem.

Anyway, serious stuff over.

I saw the Jackie Chan/Jet Li movie the other day... a cross between Monkey Magic and Karate Kid. Definately no Oscars there, couldn't imagine Heath playing the ugly white kid either ;)
 
After the vote count went against me we went and saw the new batman movie tonight. The joker charactor was mildly amusing but oscar material?
Could people please put their points forward on why it was an oscar winning role?

It was a long movie; too long. The second half of the movie was disjointed. IT was actually quite confusing on what was trying to be acheived by the director.
It set up the new charactor, but several times I was left wondering what was the point. When the joker was caught just after batmaqn fell off his bike, what happened to batman?

The joker charactor instantly reminded me of Richard Nickson. Did anyone else see the similarity in mannerisms and tone?

Thge charactor was compelling for the first half, but again ..oscar material?
 
People in Hollywood seem to move like sheep. So once the official 'accepted position' is out, even those who do the voting fall in line.

Leo is at 1.03$. Revenant is at 1.91$. Spotlight 1.82$.
 
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